PATRIOTS NEWS Josh McDaniels is back

[dliverey44]

I was just thinking this and then saw it on twitter. As passing game coordinator I would think that he has good experience in film breakdown. Thoughts??

 

[signbabybrady]

I was just thinking this and then saw it on twitter. As passing game coordinator I would think that he has good experience in film breakdown. Thoughts??

I'm all for it just to piss of the nepocomplainers

 

[dliverey44]

I'm all for it just to piss of the nepocomplainers

Yea I hear the complaining will Vrabel and cronyism, so might as well as some nepotism again.

 

[Ross12]

I was just thinking this and then saw it on twitter. As passing game coordinator I would think that he has good experience in film breakdown. Thoughts??

I mean - Nico Collins and their other WRs really broke out last year and were still good this year. That was a strength of their team. Seems like he’s probably a decent WR Coach.

I would be cool with bringing him on as an offensive assistant for the year to help out and then let him go get a better gig in 2026. Otherwise he is living in Josh’s shadow.

 

[JayNM]

Micah Parsons is a great player.

He is

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

Nice move, but never, ever, let Josh in he building on Draft Day. He is worse than BB at drafting WRs,...well OK, not that bad

 

[Dec54]

It also wouldn't surprise me to learn it was right on appropriate grade level all the way through his educational experience. His failure as a rookie receiver was dismal, but in the absence of reliable information indicating it was due to reading/cognitive problems, I'll assume it was due to other things. Perhaps a lack of effort? Immaturity? Not taking his responsibilities serious!y? Anyway, I think the reading problem reason is an excuse he doesn't deserve. Just my take...

I can't believe for one second that you draft a player then when he comes to camp you discover he can't read. Sorry but that just would not happen. Now he may struggle with the play book for other reasons, but not being able to read can't be one of them.

 

[PScottman]

It’s not an assumption that MacDaniels runs an EP offense. Feel free to name an OC who changed their system.

Going to the "prove a negative defense" huh? I suppose it's a good move, but doesn't address the underlying point that there is still a lot of pearl clutching that McDaniels is going to somehow ruin Maye's development which is 100% an assumption as it's fortune telling.

There are thousands of variables that could ruin Maye's development. He could get hooked on painkillers. His girlfriend could demand too much in a pre-nuptial causing him undue stress and anxiety. The Tibetan restaurant may run out of his favorite chicken momo.

AVP was supposed to ruin his development too if I recall correctly.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I can't believe for one second that you draft a player then when he comes to camp you discover he can't read. Sorry but that just would not happen. Now he may struggle with the play book for other reasons, but not being able to read can't be one of them.

Google Dexter Manley

 

[Huckleberry1]

Going to the "prove a negative defense" huh? I suppose it's a good move, but doesn't address the underlying point that there is still a lot of pearl clutching that McDaniels is going to somehow ruin Maye's development which is 100% an assumption as it's fortune telling.

There are thousands of variables that could ruin Maye's development. He could get hooked on painkillers. His girlfriend could demand too much in a pre-nuptial causing him undue stress and anxiety. The Tibetan restaurant may run out of his favorite chicken momo.

AVP was supposed to ruin his development too if I recall correctly.

Asking you to provide an example of ANY other OC who changed from one offensive system to a different one isn’t asking you to “ prove a negative,” as it’s a very public change of systems. Asking you to prove a negative is asking you to “ prove you never beat your wife. (eg…)

Nobody said MacDaniels would ruin Mayes development. What we said was that changing systems on a young QB is bad for them, especially when it’s done repeatedly. And many of us have also said we didnt want them returning to the EP offense. The rest of your post is just blather. You can’t name an offensive coordinator who has switched to another system, so you just start talking **** about him becoming a crackhead.

Get back to me when you can name an offensive coordinator who has changed from EP to a West Coast offense. I’m sure I’ll be waiting a while.

 

[PScottman]

Get back to me when you can name an offensive coordinator who has changed from EP to a West Coast offense. I’m sure I’ll be waiting a while.

Your benevolence in waiting is noted, if not wasted.

Conceding there isn't one IS the negative that therefore cannot be proven.

And regardless of protests to the contrary, it remains a prediction of the future that the end state is a foregone conclusion that this will "hurt" Maye in some way.

 

[RobertWeathers]

The Redskins had Dexter Manley, a defensive end who couldn’t read, and he thought England was where Canada is. Then again Jared Goff believes the sun rises in the west.

Felt bad for the guy.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Your benevolence in waiting is noted, if not wasted.

Conceding there isn't one IS the negative that therefore cannot be proven.

And regardless of protests to the contrary, it remains a prediction of the future that the end state is a foregone conclusion that this will "hurt" Maye in some way.

So you are claiming that we are just assuming that MacDaniels will run an EP offense, when in fact you realize that no offensive coordinator has changed systems before. That’s not an assumption, that’s a belief based upon 100%

At this point it’s safe to assume that you don’t actually know what an offensive system is. MacDaniels may very well make changes to the offense he runs, but it will still be based on the EP system, and everything that goes with it, language, reads, blocking approach etc.

 

[JayNM]

I've come around on McDaniels

Yeah, I do think he has problems, which I don't see going away (maybe he grew when away, who knows)

but given the hires around the league, given the staffs around... Even if his peak might be outclassed nowadays, his bottom is great. I would be surprised if Drake doesnt improve with him, as all QBs seemed to at their best with him in command

I think it's ulter bs that he wont be poached, as history is written by victors. If Maye flourishes, McD is not he 2 time HC that failed, he's the QB Guru who creates superstar QBs again (if he wants)

Anyway, let's get this season going already

 

[Stu Pidassle]

I've come around on McDaniels

Yeah, I do think he has problems, which I don't see going away (maybe he grew when away, who knows)

but given the hires around the league, given the staffs around... Even if his peak might be outclassed nowadays, his bottom is great. I would be surprised if Drake doesnt improve with him, as all QBs seemed to at their best with him in command

I think it's ulter bs that he wont be poached, as history is written by victors. If Maye flourishes, McD is not he 2 time HC that failed, he's the QB Guru who creates superstar QBs again (if he wants)

Anyway, let's get this season going already

JMD has proven that he can handle an offense under a strong HC, he does not have the personality to be a HC. At the end of the day successful NFL coaches have a firm grasp of the X's and O's and they need to be able to hold their teams accountable via whatever means works for them. After learning about the details in Las Vegas, JMD's issue is that his personality does not translate to the players in a way that demands their respect. Where Mayo lost the locker room because he enabled individualized behavior, JMD loses the locker room by trying to hold players accountable in a way that turns the locker room against him. He doesn't have anything that commands respect; he is not a former player, he doesn't have the outsized personality of Parcels or the psy ops capability of BB. Vrabel, on the other hand, has at least two out of the three characteristics and likely learned a thing or two from BB on how to ensure players are not too comfortable in their place on the team.

 

[JayNM]

JMD has proven that he can handle an offense under a strong HC, he does not have the personality to be a HC. At the end of the day successful NFL coaches have a firm grasp of the X's and O's and they need to be able to hold their teams accountable via whatever means works for them. After learning about the details in Las Vegas, JMD's issue is that his personality does not translate to the players in a way that demands their respect. Where Mayo lost the locker room because he enabled individualized behavior, JMD loses the locker room by trying to hold players accountable in a way that turns the locker room against him. He doesn't have anything that commands respect; he is not a former player, he doesn't have the outsized personality of Parcels or the psy ops capability of BB. Vrabel, on the other hand, has at least two out of the three characteristics and likely learned a thing or two from BB on how to ensure players are not too comfortable in their place on the team.

Not disagreeing with anything, but social/leadership skills aren't that hard to learn if we are being honest. And actual success is the ultimate validation

 

[Zuma]

To absolutely nobody; I’ve been Director of IT a couple times over my career and if I were to be honest…I wasn’t that good at it mostly because a lack of social / smoozing skills. I’m not that kind of person. However I did kick ass when I was Infrastructure Manager. I just wasn’t built to be a Head Coach.

 

[Pats2000]

Woohooo

Not looking outside the Patriots family again McDaniels is a myth with an overly complicated outdated system that has never developed an elite outside WR and that's sucked without Brady and don't give me Mac Jones, Mac Jones played about 5 good games.

Kraft hire.

The players that worked under him disagree.

McDaniels made gold out of pig **** with Mac Jones. He's had multiple QBs step in an play well in his career outside of Brady.

 

[Pats2000]

I don't love it. WR's have a hard time picking up his system...and this team has one of the worst WR rooms in the league.

The team needs new blood. Not just brining back old familiar guys.

Well, I guess we'll see how it works out...

Outside of Ocho Cinco and Joey Gallagher, what WR couldn't pick up the system?

 

[Stu Pidassle]

Not disagreeing with anything, but social/leadership skills aren't that hard to learn if we are being honest. And actual success is the ultimate validation

For whatever reason JMD is like a number of other capable coaches who are good coordinators and failures as HC. My guess is that JMD spent a good deal of time and effort working on his leadership style between Denver and Las Vegas. There is a difference between being able to hold conversations in a social setting or leading in a corporate environment vs. owning the hearts and minds of NFL players. Best case for the Pats is that he settles in to become OC version of Steve Spagnuolo.