Jones Should Be Greatly Improved In 2022

[Huckleberry1]

To your point the trend is clear.

From that article I see multiple teams leveraging concepts from various systems they've had some experience with and developing their own.

I think it was you ho brought up Tom Moore and his system which is comprised of various concepts from the schemes he has been a part of.

Andy Reid is an example as well.

That I would be ok with and because of Mac's intelligence something I think he could handle.

Sounds good to me, and I think E/P is amenable to adapting aspects of other schemes.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Because he ran it for .20 years. Manning did the same when thing whenhe went to Denver.

I guess E/P is not dying.

I do not mind a rerun if it is in a coordinator position. There are a lot of people who are great coordinators and not head coaches. I am not sure if McDaniels makes it in LV, we will see. Not sure Fat Matt will ever get another head coaching job - he did not handle the pressure well. But as a behind the scenes guy, Matt is probably OK. BOB is probably OK for a few years until his anger/critical nature starts rearing its ugly head. Gase is very smart and again is OK for a few years. BOB or Gase would bring a fresh perspective. I am hoping for BOB as he was at the Patriots (NFL), then Penn State (College), then the Texans (NFL), and then Alabama (college). It is a good mix, BOB must know how to blend everything including Mac's skill. If some of Mac's college stuff was sprinkled into the E/P system I am sure Mac would be more comfortable and maybe the blend would add enough variation to put defenses on their heels.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Different thread, same tired material. You are like the love child of Captain Stone and Dropkick (hint….not a compliment).

All Miguel was saying was that he believes that Mac will be greatly improved in year 2, yet you still found a way to shoehorn Brady into the conversation. Be honest, were you looking at a framed Brady photo when you wrote your post and, if so, were you typing with only one hand?

He also never mentioned Allen or claimed that Mac will end up being a superior quarterback, yet you squeezed another one of your talking points into the conversation, without ever attempting to address Miguel’s actual point.

Why are you still posting here if every Pats fan is an oblivious moron but you? In reality, you are just a

I thought Pats16N0 was DKF.

 

[RIpats88]

Most QB's drafted improve in their 2nd year if they get another starting year opportunity. This is born out by stats if you look at QB's drafted in 1st round who got back to back full years starting opportunity.

However, he lost his OC, a new one has not been named, he is going on his third OC in 3 years, no new receivers or OL have been drafted or traded for.

So yes he is likely to have better stats than last year, but to say "greatly" is perhaps an overstatement at the early junction.

Well considering free agency and the draft haven't happened yet, let's see what they do.

I do think Mac Jones needs a #1 type guy. When did Joe Burrow and Josh Allen really turn into elite type guys? It was when they got chase and diggs. Then those guys and teams transformed.

I don't think it's a coincidence.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I thought Pats16N0 was DKF.

The posting styles were identical.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I guess E/P is not dying.

I do not mind a rerun if it is in a coordinator position. There are a lot of people who are great coordinators and not head coaches. I am not sure if McDaniels makes it in LV, we will see. Not sure Fat Matt will ever get another head coaching job - he did not handle the pressure well. But as a behind the scenes guy, Matt is probably OK. BOB is probably OK for a few years until his anger/critical nature starts rearing its ugly head. Gase is very smart and again is OK for a few years. BOB or Gase would bring a fresh perspective. I am hoping for BOB as he was at the Patriots (NFL), then Penn State (College), then the Texans (NFL), and then Alabama (college). It is a good mix, BOB must know how to blend everything including Mac's skill. If some of Mac's college stuff was sprinkled into the E/P system I am sure Mac would be more comfortable and maybe the blend would add enough variation to put defenses on their heels.

My views on O’Brien and Gase are pretty well known at this point so I will leave it at that.

 

[*ChungFu*]

As much as it would make things easier for Mac and elate the fans, I just can't see the Pats chasing a topnotch WR. I was surprised by the Harry pick and a little worried about his assimilation but still hopeful. It obviously did not work and I think BB goes back to the Rd 6/UDFA well. Maybe this drafting committee that has never been confirmed or denied can make magic. I think we all hope so.

 

[RIpats88]

As much as it would make things easier for Mac and elate the fans, I just can't see the Pats chasing a topnotch WR. I was surprised by the Harry pick and a little worried about his assimilation but still hopeful. It obviously did not work and I think BB goes back to the Rd 6/UDFA well. Maybe this drafting committee that has never been confirmed or denied can make magic. I think we all hope so.

I hope that's not how bill goes. This team will never go far in the off-season with "average receivers" relying on running game and defense.

Doesn't have to be a chase type guy. But we need someone who always can get open even when they are not.

 

[sb1]

We have been so previliged that we are wondering if Mac Jones is a flop

I think the question if Mac is a viable NFL starting QB has been answered. That’s a yes and that’s not really a surprise knowing what he was projected to be in the draft a year ago.

How high his ceiling is and whether he will ever be an elite QB in this league won’t be answerable for a while.

 

[NormZauchin]

As much as it would make things easier for Mac and elate the fans, I just can't see the Pats chasing a topnotch WR. I was surprised by the Harry pick and a little worried about his assimilation but still hopeful. It obviously did not work and I think BB goes back to the Rd 6/UDFA well. Maybe this drafting committee that has never been confirmed or denied can make magic. I think we all hope so.

You're probably right, but I sometimes wonder if the complex E/P offense that the Patriots run prevents a majority of potential number 1 receivers from succeeding here. If so, that is a definite downside to E/P, or least the Pats version of it.

 

[paco130]

My views on O’Brien and Gase are pretty well known at this point so I will leave it at that.

Mine also but one more time ... O'Brien YES, Gase HELL NO!!!

 

[Cam2HarryGOAT]

I like how we’re just declaring that Mac has some super high football IQ that other obviously-superior quarterbacks in the league and division also conveniently lack.
Like, what a great fable. It’s so nice and peaceful here.

Apparently the future couldn’t be brighter. Can’t wait to revisit this trash after he’s a back-up somewhere and we’re on to the next one.

You legitimately need help. Everyone here can see it but you.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

Leadership is an important growth area for next season that has not been well represented in this thread. Mac did not have much cred as a rookie, he needs to be more comfortable to setting the tone and inspiring the team to pull in the same direction next year. I think Jimmy G is a good example of a QB who has the locker room even if he doesn't always deliver on the field.

 

[Cam2HarryGOAT]

Okay, well, I’m going to post even harder now.

I would be shocked, given your extreme anger, irrationality and aggressiveness, if you "posting even harder" leads to anything other than you getting banned even sooner.
Sorry for pointing out the truth. I'm such a goblin.

 

[Cam2HarryGOAT]

Ok, pats fans need to stop thinking that just because Brady was here that any Qb that comes in will be Brady. This notion of Well in 2000 Brady was this and this so that means Mac will be the goat. He will be what he is, whatever that is, he has nothing to do with Brady in any way shape or form. What Brady did has zero bearing on what Mac will do.

Not my point whatsoever. My point was that you do not need to be the most gifted athletically to be an elite QB. That's not the most important thing in being a great QB. And somebody that watched Brady should know that better than anyone. Those were my points.

 

[Cam2HarryGOAT]

I do not watch enough college football to have a name. Even if I watched every college game 24/7 I still would not have enough information to recommend a player.

There is somebody out there. The best WR in the NFL today was taken with the 69th pick. Cooper Kupp ;played at Eastern Washington. This Super Bowl is only the 2nd time in NFL history where 2 # 1 pick QBs are facing off.

I like Kupp, but no way is he the best WR in the game. Not even almost. He won't even be the best WR in the SuperBowl.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Why so upbeat and optimistic? I mean, I've seen some homeristic displays here but but this goes over the top! Rein it in pal, let's be realistic about things.

Well said!

 

[Gumby]

Yes, we can pay big bucks for a legit receiver instead of spending the money on the lines and secondary.

Few such acquisitions were great helps for Brady, except for 2007. So, a top receiver will come and try to learn the system along with a 2nd year QB and a non-existent OC.

I DO AGREE that Jones will be better. I just don't expect great leaps. I see the need to replace/re-sign 2-3 OL's and a RB, all before we worry about WR.

Obviously, resources are also needed to re-sign/upgrade 2 DB's, a LB and a DL or two.

Buried on page 2 of 9 as I catch up reading….,

a nugget of EXCESSIVE WISDOM.

Let us remember IIRC that Randy came from Faiders at the price of a 6th (or was it 4th) round pick. And we later got same or more value back from Vikes. (4 I thought)

Other Pat greats were also not high picks, sought out by other teams.
welker 2d to Miami. IIRC
Edeldude was a 5th I think.

everbody but Welker and Dion who came for high cost were busts.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Buried on page 2 of 9 as I catch up reading….,

a nugget of EXCESSIVE WISDOM.

Let us remember IIRC that Randy came from Faiders at the price of a 6th (or was it 4th) round pick. And we later got same or more value back from Vikes. (4 I thought)

Other Pat greats were also not high picks, sought out by other teams.
welker 2d to Miami. IIRC
Edeldude was a 5th I think.

everbody but Welker and Dion who came for high cost were busts.

They gave the Raiders a fourth, the Raiders were pissed when they realized it was their later 4th, then they got 3rd in return for him from the Vikings.

Welker was a 2nd

Edelman was a 7th round pick as a QB out of Kent State.

 

[sb1]

LOL Mac threw a bad pick to Trevon Diggs in the skills competition yesterday...his throws needs more zip on them for sure

at 2:24

Maybe but I wouldn’t call anything a “bad pick” in a meaningless skills competition.