John Clayton: "New England one of the biggest losers on first draft day"

[PatsDeb]

Re: John Clayton \\\"New England one of the biggest losers on first draft day\\\\\\\"

Oh I think Sunday will be an improvement but I dont think Wheatley will be on the roster come opening day. He may not even make it past mini camp. We shall wait and see.

It's official. Mosit is a code word for Eric Manginious. He's just hoping BB will cut this guy so he can pick him up.

Are you a Jets fan or a Colts fan?

 

[PATRIOT64]

Re: John Clayton "New England one of the biggest losers on first draft day"

How about Atlanta picking Sam Freaking Baker?

This pick has the potential to be the worst reach thru a trade as a first round pick in draft history

Comparing Wheately to Baker (at least right now) is like comparing the Colts picking Manning over Leaf

 

[PatriotsReign]

Re: John Clayton "New England one of the biggest losers on first draft day"

It is often fascinating to discuss the NFL draft. The suspense has been building since the super bowl. but let's be realistic here. None of us are draft experts. I know many of us like to think of ourselves as such, but we are not even close.

Sure we'll all post our opinions, but in the end, we don't have a clue. Hell, it's hard enough for BB & Pioli or guys like Clayton. None of us have access to college game film nor do we spend countless hours every weekend focusing on specific college players throughout a season.

The best we can do is read a bunch of studies & evaluations others have donce & regurgitate their facts. And that is nothing to take pride in. I think we should all be humble enough to admit we don't have a clue if the Patriots draft was successful or not. Because that's the truth.

We'll all find out this summer & fall.

 

[Dragda]

Re: John Clayton \\\"New England one of the biggest losers on first draft day\\\"

Or in a dark alley in NYC drinking ripple from a paper bag while leaning against a dumpster.

Stupid newbies. The regs all know they don't make ripple anymore.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: John Clayton "New England one of the biggest losers on first draft day"

I love the irony of seeing all the people defending the Patriots' draft while they've frequently been attacking other teams for doing the same thing. How many people here are defending the Lions and Matt Millen?

Yes, the Patriots are losers when you tally the results in the same way that they've been tallied for decades. No, it doesn't matter if the players they chose work out.

 

[SoonerPatriot]

Re: John Clayton "New England one of the biggest losers on first draft day"

It is often fascinating to discuss the NFL draft. The suspense has been building since the super bowl. but let's be realistic here. None of us are draft experts. I know many of us like to think of ourselves as such, but we are not even close.

Sure we'll all post our opinions, but in the end, we don't have a clue. Hell, it's hard enough for BB & Pioli or guys like Clayton. None of us have access to college game film nor do we spend countless hours every weekend focusing on specific college players throughout a season.

The best we can do is read a bunch of studies & evaluations others have donce & regurgitate their facts. And that is nothing to take pride in. I think we should all be humble enough to admit we don't have a clue if the Patriots draft was successful or not. Because that's the truth.

We'll all find out this summer & fall.

I agree with you, overall. But I think anyone who has been around the game at some point in their lives as a fan or player can see even from the limited highlights of Mayo shown today that his chances of being successful are quite good.

 

[MosiT]

Re: John Clayton

Rookie 2nd round cuts are very rare, by the way.

Historically the 2nd round has been BB and Piolis weakest round.

I dont think that Wheatley will be able to take the punishment the NFL will deliver to his pint sized body.

And now I have heard again that Ty Law is going to sign. I guess Chris Berman alluded to it at the end of the day. That is beginning to load up the cb position with several players and I believe that Law has at least one good solid season left in the tank.

Right now at the CB position there are
Bryant *
Hobbs *
Mixon
Richardson *
Lewis Sanders *
Spann
Webster *
Wheatley
And Possibly
Merriweather *
Law *
Sheppherd *

and another draft pick or free agent

* possible starter

I can not envision both Hobbs and Wheatley, two 5-9ers being on the field at the same time. Opposing QBs would just drool at the possibilities.

 

[MosiT]

Re: John Clayton \"New England one of the biggest losers on first draft day\"

I agree with you, overall. But I think anyone who has been around the game at some point in their lives as a fan or player can see even from the limited highlights of Mayo shown today that his chances of being successful are quite good.

I have no problem with the Mayo pick. It\'s the second coming of Hobbs that I see a problem with.

 

[MosiT]

Re: John Clayton \\\"New England one of the biggest losers on first draft day\\\"

I love the irony of seeing all the people defending the Patriots\\\' draft while they\\\'ve frequently been attacking other teams for doing the same thing. How many people here are defending the Lions and Matt Millen?

Yes, the Patriots are losers when you tally the results in the same way that they\\\'ve been tallied for decades. No, it doesn\\\'t matter if the players they chose work out.

Well, if we use that as an analogy, then last years actual draft of players would have to be classified as LOSER cause hardly any of them made the team.

And please dont throw in the Moss and Welker deals. We are talking about actual drafted players, nothing else.

It doesnt matter how much I love both BB and Pioli for what they have done, neither of them is infallible and their last two drafts thus far have not been the epitome of success. Sometimes we need to look at things as how others might see it and not with our own biased eyes.

Its way too soon to know positive or negative. All we have right now is opinion, some good and some bad and that is how it is with fans. Some will be right and some wont be .....

Wouldnt it be boring if we all agreed?

 

[PATRIOT64]

Re: John Clayton

Historically the 2nd round has been BB and Piolis weakest round.

I dont think that Wheatley will be able to take the punishment the NFL will deliver to his pint sized body.

And now I have heard again that Ty Law is going to sign. I guess Chris Berman alluded to it at the end of the day. That is beginning to load up the cb position with several players and I believe that Law has at least one good solid season left in the tank.

Right now at the CB position there are
Bryant *
Hobbs *
Mixon
Richardson *
Lewis Sanders *
Spann
Webster *
Wheatley
And Possibly
Merriweather *
Law *
Sheppherd *

and another draft pick or free agent

* possible starter

I can not envision both Hobbs and Wheatley, two 5-9ers being on the field at the same time. Opposing QBs would just drool at the possibilities.

So you would cut a young 'possible' talent like Wheately over a CB that could not even make it as a 49er or Buffalo Bill - Jason Webster?

If Wheately goes anywhere Webster is gone first - Webster is camp fodder IMO and nothing more. - However,I think Richardson will probably find a spot on the roster.

BTW: Did you give Bob Sanders a rats chance in Hell when he made the Colts roster at 5'8"?

 

[PatriotsReign]

Re: John Clayton "New England one of the biggest losers on first draft day"

I agree with you, overall. But I think anyone who has been around the game at some point in their lives as a fan or player can see even from the limited highlights of Mayo shown today that his chances of being successful are quite good.

I'm excited about Mayo as well...very psyched! But that has nothing to do with the point I made. I was referring to an overall draft as compared to the other teams in reference to Clayton's comments. that's all.

 

[SoonerPatriot]

Re: John Clayton

Historically the 2nd round has been BB and Piolis weakest round.

I dont think that Wheatley will be able to take the punishment the NFL will deliver to his pint sized body.

And now I have heard again that Ty Law is going to sign. I guess Chris Berman alluded to it at the end of the day. That is beginning to load up the cb position with several players and I believe that Law has at least one good solid season left in the tank.

Right now at the CB position there are
Bryant *
Hobbs *
Mixon
Richardson *
Lewis Sanders *
Spann
Webster *
Wheatley
And Possibly
Merriweather *
Law *
Sheppherd *

and another draft pick or free agent

* possible starter

I can not envision both Hobbs and Wheatley, two 5-9ers being on the field at the same time. Opposing QBs would just drool at the possibilities.

That's true about BB and the 2nd round. But, they won't know if he can't take the punishment until well after mini camp. I think you're going to have to concede the point that there's no way this kid gets cut this year. Chad Jackson has stuck around for what, 3 seasons now?

And by the way, I think Warrick Dunn would take exception to your "pint sized" body comment. Parcells has chunks in his poo bigger than Dunn and all that guy has done is take punishment, far more than Wheatley will as a CB, for a decade.

 

[MosiT]

Re: John Clayton

So you would cut a young \'possible\' talent like Wheately over a CB that could not even make it as a 49er or Buffalo Bill - Jason Webster?

If Wheately goes anywhere Webster is gone first - Webster is camp fodder IMO and nothing more. - Richardson and Bryant will probably find a spot as well

I never said I would cut him. BB will do that not me or he may not make it physically speaking.

 

[MosiT]

Re: John Clayton

That\'s true about BB and the 2nd round. But, they won\'t know if he can\'t take the punishment until well after mini camp. I think you\'re going to have to concede the point that there\'s no way this kid gets cut this year. Chad Jackson has stuck around for what, 3 seasons now?

And by the way, I think Warrick Dunn would take exception to your \"pint sized\" body comment. Parcells has chunks in his poo bigger than Dunn and all that guy has done is take punishment, far more than Wheatley will as a CB, for a decade.

There are always exceptions to the rule.

Jacksons potential upside is far greater than what Wheatley can offer so Jackson was a certainty to stick around and I believe he will prove it this season, BTW.

I just believe that Wheatley was a mistake. I hope not.

 

[reflexblue]

Re: John Clayton \\\"New England one of the biggest losers on first draft day\\\"

Or in a dark alley in NYC drinking ripple from a paper bag while leaning against a dumpster.

They don't make ripple anymore i know cause i asked . So I guess hes drinking mad dog 20/20 while leaning against that dumpster. Ripple AAHH the Memories.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: John Clayton \"New England one of the biggest losers on first draft day\"

Well, if we use that as an analogy, then last years actual draft of players would have to be classified as LOSER cause hardly any of them made the team.

And please dont throw in the Moss and Welker deals. We are talking about actual drafted players, nothing else.

The team had only one pick above the 4th round. Expecting 4th rounders and below in a weak draft to make the league's best and deepest team is the kind of foolishness I'd expect from a Jets fan. Patriots fans should be smarter than that.

And it should tell you all you need to know when you have to place rules like "only actual drafted players" to your argument. That's just silly. Would you claim a draft was a 'loser' if the team traded all 7 picks for Merriman, Suggs, Ed Reed, Chad Johnson and LDT, for example?

 

[PATRIOT64]

Re: John Clayton \"New England one of the biggest losers on first draft day\"

The team had only one pick above the 4th round. Expecting 4th rounders and below in a weak draft to make the league's best and deepest team is the kind of foolishness I'd expect from a Jets fan. Patriots fans should be smarter than that.

And it should tell you all you need to know when you have to place rules like "only actual drafted players" to your argument. That's just silly. Would you claim a draft was a 'loser' if the team traded all 7 picks for Merriman, Suggs, Ed Reed, Chad Johnson and LDT, for example?

What exactly do you mean by deepest team? - NE is arguably the best team right now,but deepest in terms of depth? - No

I could name several areas that can use some depth

If you want a team loaded with more depth I would say San Diego or Dallas but NE still has some holes to fill,hopefully helped out by tomorrow's picks and maybe an unanticipated trade before TC.

 

[PatriotsReign]

Re: John Clayton "New England one of the biggest losers on first draft day"

:nono::nono:

I thought that was pretty slick on my part. :rocker:

I find that rocker guy to be the most aggrevating of them all.

I expect a reply with 10 of them!

 

[SoonerPatriot]

Re: John Clayton

There are always exceptions to the rule.

Jacksons potential upside is far greater than what Wheatley can offer so Jackson was a certainty to stick around and I believe he will prove it this season, BTW.

I just believe that Wheatley was a mistake. I hope not.

I'd be careful about trumpeting Jackson's expectations. I too think he will have something resembling a break out season this year, but I wouldn't bet a coke on it.

And yes, there are exceptions to rules. That's precisely why it's perfectly reasonable to have some hope Wheatley can come in and excel in a role whether that's as a nickel back or down the road as a starter. Unless he robs a bank, there's zero chance he'll be cut before at least one season.

 

[RayClay]

Re: John Clayton "New England one of the biggest losers on first draft day"

John Clayton one of the biggest losers...

The article was complete at that point for me.

BTW, the guy(s) who keep harping on tiny frail Wheatley ought to watch his videos. He looks powerful and long limbed, not a midget type at all.