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  1. BaconGrundleCandy

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    I guess it depends. I have a cut off & if you don't get an (X) grade you're an udfa type. I get your point though. Imo theres very little difference between anything after the 4th-udfa.
     
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    Thats bc hes terrible Ken.

    *Edit* Oh wow you really like him? I definitely read that wrong.
     
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    Plus a history of injuries or controversy can cause a good player to be skipped.
     
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    That's was never my point....and I think you know it. They drafted him to be a safety. He couldn't wasn't good enough to get on the field ahead of McCourty, Chung and Harmon. However after getting to Detroit he was a solid starter for them for a few years.

    The point is that he wasn't a horrible football player and it wasn't some disaster of a pick. We can play the " well they COULD have had player X instead of ...." every year if we want to really torture ourselves. There have been SOOO many of those posts over the years that it makes wonder how it was possible that we've had any success at all. :rolleyes:
     
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    While I was responding to your post, I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth. I'm not arguing that Wilson and Richards were bad players, per se. What every one has spent years trying to understand is why Belichick felt both of them were worth drafting in the second round.
     
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    Great post and points, as always Ken.
    I just don’t think he was worthy of a 2nd round pick.
     
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    Well if were Wilson I'd be more than insulted that my name be mentioned in the same breath as Richards. He WAS a bad player as well as a piss poor pick.....as it turned out. But we all know THAT happens almost half the time for every team.

    BTW- I rarely get pissed of myself when a pick doesn't work out. That is simply the nature of the process. However I do get riled sometimes when a player is unjustly criticized just because it didn't work out here.
     
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    Fair enough. You were in good company. There were a LOT of guys who get paid a lot of money to "know", who didn't "know" Tavon Wilson. ;)
     
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    Wilson was a much better player imo but I don't think it's a stretch to say both were big time reaches at the time & now.

    Its obvious why both were picked though. Bill doesn't like surprises, likes knowing what he's getting. The stronger the character the higher the value he places on a prospect.

    Wilson w his versatility, tenacity & "Coach" Richards.
     
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    Wilson wasn't drafted to be safety #4 in 2012, he was drafted to be the starting SS in 2013 and beyond. Chung was falling out of favor and approaching free agency in 2012 and was almost completely out of rotation by the end of that year.

    Looking at Wilson's playing time in 2013, the pick appears almost indefensible. He was healthy for 13 out of 16 weeks and could only muster 2% of the defensive reps over Steve Gregory?
     
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    The numbers indicate that an elite DB is much more valuable than an elite DL. That's really my point. It's about positional value.

    Elite coverage is the 2nd most important trait for a football team behind the QB play.

    There is a reason BB pays McCourty, Gilmore and not Flowers and drafts a DB regulary early to increase his chances of more elite DB play.

    To find an Aaron Donald is harder, yes I'm not arguing it but Gilmore offers more value and WAR.

    The Pats started winning Super Bowls again once we had multiple elite DBs.
    2014 Revis, McCourty
    2016 Butler, McCourty
    2018 Gilmore, McCourty, McCourty
     
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    Every year they have a list of potential UDFAs predraft.
     
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    Good enough to be on the team, but not good enough for any team to expend draft capital on them. I think that just shows the imperfect science of drafting....and that there isn’t a quantifiable measure of heart, desire and determination.
     
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