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JC Jackson: To pay or not to pay, that is the question

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TheRainMaker

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Pay him and keep Gilmore unless he wants to leave. Don't create needs when you don't have to.

For the people that want to trade Gilmore, you trust Bill to draft a player of equal value? I don't.
 

Jimke

Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract
I think the younger, more desirable free agents will do alright since their longer contracts can have smaller cap hits in the early seasons. Free agents who are older or coming off serious injury or a disappointing season might have a rough time since it's significantly harder to do cap shenanigans on one year deals.
The Patriots will be interested in the latter plus injured offensive linemen draftees.
 

StockingAnarchyNumber12

In the Starting Line-Up
Pay him and keep Gilmore unless he wants to leave. Don't create needs when you don't have to.

For the people that want to trade Gilmore, you trust Bill to draft a player of equal value? I don't.
Do you think we can pay gilmore too and fill the holes on this team? I ask because I'm unsure about cap space and am not very cap smart lol
 

50-yard-line

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Gilmore has a 17m cap hit next year, but the savings for off-loading him aren't worth it. More likely, he's an extend candidate.

Jackson gets a 1st Round tender, I expect, because I doubt they'll offer him top $$$ next year and he won't agree. Poor Patriot fans might have to put up with another year of both of them...
 

ctpatsfan77

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Gilmore has a 17m cap hit next year, but the savings for off-loading him aren't worth it. More likely, he's an extend candidate.

Jackson gets a 1st Round tender, I expect, because I doubt they'll offer him top $$$ next year and he won't agree. Poor Patriot fans might have to put up with another year of both of them...
Cap hits aren't useful in isolation.

A more useful way of analyzing it:
They have $7.6M in sunk costs (signing bonus prorations) that are going to be there no matter what.
They have $9.5M in cap hit that disappears if they cut or trade him.
 

jdlboot14

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Of course you have to pay JC. Gilmore should be gone, JMC will retire. You have Jones, and 2 unknowns at Williams and Bryant.
Jackson has earned it.
 

mgteich

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Play with the scenarios. There are several good sites for this.

SCENARIO ONE
1) Consider that the following retire: Hightower, Chung, McCourty, McCourty, Edelman and Cannon. If one of these stays, I would consider it a use of available cap money.
2) Put aside $20M for veteran QB. We could make the 2021 cap hit lower if we want to have more money in 2021.
3) Presume that we will draft a QB,
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Folks can check, but the cap hit of this scenario may be about $80M. There will many needs, but there is a limit with regard to how many high priced vets Belichick will sign. However, this year is the year when the cost will be relatively low.

There should be little talk about now being able to afford 2 top OG's or 2 top CB's without analysis. IMO, we can obviously make these choices if we wish.
 

50-yard-line

Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract
Cap hits aren't useful in isolation.

A more useful way of analyzing it:
They have $7.6M in sunk costs (signing bonus prorations) that are going to be there no matter what.
They have $9.5M in cap hit that disappears if they cut or trade him.
So I stick with my point. If you think 9.5 extra is too much for Gilmore, then I don't know what to say. He hasn't been as good this year, as last - he's still worth every penny.
 

patsbrasilpatriotas

Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job
Pay him and trade Gilmore Or Trade him (for a haul) and extend Gilmore.

Bring back Jason for another year.

IMO we should sign him for a 5 year $ 70m contract ... 14m per seems low, but we have him under control for the next 2 years (ERFA 2021 + franchise tag 2022), thats probably 22m for the next 2 years.

So, 48m per for the next 3 (16m per) is really fair. Give him a lot of gtd money and we are set for the future.
 

24Law

Rookie
I do really like him, but i LOVE Bills philosophy about not overpaying, and his ability to develop DBs.. So i am not sure about this one as i think someone will offer JC a lot..
 

upstater1

Pro Bowl Player
Cap hits aren't useful in isolation.

A more useful way of analyzing it:
They have $7.6M in sunk costs (signing bonus prorations) that are going to be there no matter what.
They have $9.5M in cap hit that disappears if they cut or trade him.

The sunk cost is actually $8.9m. And if they get rid of him, they only save $7.4m. You have to find a replacement, and by that I mean a bonafide starting CB (not an All Pro or DPOY), who will play for that much.
 

ctpatsfan77

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So I stick with my point. If you think 9.5 extra is too much for Gilmore, then I don't know what to say. He hasn't been as good this year, as last - he's still worth every penny.
To be clear, I'm not advocating a Gilmore trade. My point is simply that just looking at the cap number and drawing conclusions is unhelpful.
 

PATSNUTme

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Give him a 1st round tender this year, I believe that would be $8mil. If another team wants to sign him and give us a 1st round pick then so be it. Make him a good offer for 2022 when the cap goes back up.
 

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