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It may not be as crazy as you think. Who you trade for the Browns first round pick #4

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This past year proved how overrated Clowney was at this time last year. The guy had one stellar play against Michigan in a bowl game and, thanks to the fact that ESPN showed that play over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over during the offseason last summer, he was elevated to a level of talent that he didn't deserve.

He had a good-but-not-great 2013 campaign and there were even whispers of Coach Spurrier being unhappy with his work ethic and dedication. He will be a high pick, but doesn't deserve to be.

I'm starting to think bust as well. Sounds like he's only in it for the money. I'd be scared to draft him.
 
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Cousin,

Stop leaving the ecstasy you didn't take in the pocket of my jacket.
 
Re: It may not be as crazy as you think. Who you trade for the Browns first round pic

Cousin,

Stop leaving the ecstasy you didn't take in the pocket of my jacket.

It's the Law!!
 
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Knowing Lombardi has always like Mallet, would you offer up both Mallet and RB Stevan Ridley for the Browns first round pick at #4? I think it's fair.............

DW Toys

 
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I still don't understand why Mallett is presumed by some to be a valuable commodity for trade purposes. He might as well have a big question mark on his jersey instead of a number. The only thing suggesting his having ability is BB's willingness to keep him as Brady's sole backup.

Somewhere Gil Brandt is laughing uncontrollably.
 
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Your idea is indeed as nuts as it sounds.

I suppose, we could offer Mallet and Ridley for their 26th pick and Hoyer, assuming that Blount was re-signed and Vereen extended..

I think that is feasible. Good post.

I look at it like this. The running class in this years Draft is terrible. One on the Browns major needs is an RB. O.K. let's say Mallet maybe (?) worth a second to some Teams because the QB's this year are plentiful, but each has flaws. A second for Mallet in that case is not crazy. Where there is absolutely "0" RB's for the first round, the RB needy Teams like the Giants or Browns may look trade or FA.

I agreed with your assessment that with the re-sign or Blount and extend Vereen. That is about what I had in mind.

O.K. If Mallet is worth a second rounder, and a proven 1,000 yard rusher like Ridley who is still young and inexpensive this year, he should jump to the top of the RB class. Would anyone challenge that?

A poster said he had a down year. Down because he was in BB's doghouse with 100 carries down for 2012. Both years together he is still over 2,000 yards. He has talent, but BB does not trust him. Challenge that anyone?

So in essence I am saying two players who have NFL experience (Mallet not so much). One who may or may not be a star RB in this league. The other at least as good as some 2014 class QBs.plus our first round pick for a swap of picks and TE Jordan Cameron who is very good now but without a great QB, far from elite.

If Trent Richardson is worth a first rounder, all you negative Cousins, please put a round grade on Ridley who gained 500 more yards using 2012 and 2013, plus a yard more per carry?

Let's use the NFL Draft value chart to my theory.

The #4 pick in the first round is worth 1,800 points.=1,800


I attest that Ridley is worth at the least what the Browns got from Richardson at a #26 in Round one.= 700


The Pats pick at #29 in the first round is worth=640


Lets say Mallet has at least a top second round grade which might be an argument but why would BB take less? (plus hey it's my thread)=580


700+640+580=1,920-1,800 for the Browns pick+ a left over of 120 points which equates to about our third round pick (125). Jordan Cameron was a fourth rounder. He has has one good year. In two years prior he had only 26 catches.....but he fits perfectly our move TE here. Maybe I am a little light on Jordan, but on paper.....Not as crazy as you think!


Am I wrong Cousins:

On Mallet as a high second round Grade?


Comparing Trent Richardson and the lack of any RBs in this Draft, is Ridley not worth at least what the Colts paid for Richardson (26th in the first) with two years of tape and results on each?


Adding our first at pick#29?


Using 120 points in the NFL Draft value equates to a third round pick "value" for a TE with one solid year but really fits our system, who was a forth rounder? Could be a little light there but not off that much.


The Browns pick up two starters both still very young, and still maintain two first round picks; in exchange for moving down the board and giving up a TE with potential but not a long resume. Does the Browns F.O. get fired for that? They fill two major needs at QB and RB instantly if Mallet is faster to be more NFL ready than Bridgewater or Bortles.

My logic is they pick one of those two or Manzeil and they are still behind the curve of young QB's and without a needed RB who if traded, may or may not star for them. To grab a FA RB will cost more than Ridley.

If I am wrong so badly, you evaluate them and do the math via the Draft Value board.
Tell me what you feel Mallet and Rdiley (and Cameron for that matter) are worth on this board. I would have interest in what you all are at.

DW Toys
 
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no one other then Brady is worth a top 10 Draft pick on the pats
 
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He was incredible in 2012 and pretty much by everyone's analysis he didn't put max effort into every play this year for fear of injury and hurting his stock.
Bullcrap. His conditioning was pathetic and questions about his stamina and work ethic lingered all season long.

I saw the game against North Carolina way back in August. South Carolina dominated the 1st quarter, controlling the ball 11 minutes. But, despite only playing 4 minutes of the entire first quarter, he did not start the 2nd quarter because he was gassed. He played 4 minutes and was then on the sidelines sucking down more oxygen than the pilots of a Justin Bieber airplane.

Now think what you want about what that says about his dedication, but it is essentially universal opinion by anyone that knows anything about these things that he is absolutely a physical freak who has the highest potential on the defensive side of the ball of anyone in this entire draft. And it isn't even close.
People were saying the exact same thing 10 years ago about a guy named Albert Haynesworth.

In college, if you're a physical freak with the highest potential, it's easy to push around the boys on the other side of the line, most of whom will be working white collar jobs after graduation. But in the NFL, it takes quite a bit more than that.

If the Patriots had the #4 and Clowney was available, they'd trade down.
 
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If I am wrong so badly, you evaluate them and do the math via the Draft Value board.
Tell me what you feel Mallet and Rdiley (and Cameron for that matter) are worth on this board. I would have interest in what you all are at.

DW Toys
OK 1st of all that draft chart is worthless. It is ridiculous to think that one chart can accurately give the value of draft pick slots when such a thing would vary tremendously from year to year.

2nd of all, IIRC, that chart goes back to the days before the fixed rookie salaries, so those values are even more inaccurate than what we see above. A top 10 pick is even more valuable today than 3 years ago because you can get the player and not have to give him $50+ million dollar deals. So even if I accepted the chart as meaningful, you should add about 1,000 to 1,500 points to all those top 10 positions.

3rd of all, Ryan Mallett is not top-2nd-round pick status. He was drafted in the 3rd round and, if anything, his stock has fallen since then.
 
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Somewhere Gil Brandt is laughing uncontrollably.
I'd sure like to know what special super-secret info Brandt "knows," other than O'Brien worked with Mallett in New England and supposedly likes tall quarterbacks.
 
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Cousins,
Just doing a little home work. The Browns as still a QB away(although Hoyer played well). They have two first rounders with #26 from the Colts. They also need a RB pretty badly.

Knowing Lombardi has always like Mallet, would you offer up both Mallet and RB Stevan Ridley for the Browns first round pick at #4? I think it's fair.

Thoughts?
Just think of the options: If the Draft goes Bortles, Matthews and Bridgewater, you have Clowney and Watkins to pick from. I might throw is a our first rounder and see if we can pry TE Jordan Cameron from them.

Its not as nuts as it sounds. The Browns still get two first rounders, Mallet and Ridley for their own at #4 and Cameron.

Can the Browns count on a Bridgewater who is lighter than advertised or Manziel to mature fast enough?

I would suspect Mallet still has the best arm of those three. In Cleveland, a big arm QB is important on the lake. If they resign Mack (plenty of CAP room), the Browns O Line might be better than the Patriots in all reality.

Interesting thought? Or not?

DW Toys

I doubt the #4 pick is even in play but I can tell you the Cameron idea is never going to happen, they would never trade for a QB and then take their second best weapon away.

Honestly even if the #4 pick was in play which as I said is 99% unlikely in my opinion if Clowney is off the board what would we even do with that pick, trade back?
 
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Outside of the value of the trade, being way off, the Browns would never do it. Mallett and Ridley are both due to be free agents after 2014 so they would have to pay them both second contracts. They already Mack and Ward this year in UFA, and Haden, Taylor, Sheard, Cameron, and Gibson entering UFA next season. They could not afford to keep that many players on their second contracts especially when you consider Gordon is coming up for extension too.
 
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Outside of the value of the trade, being way off, the Browns would never do it. Mallett and Ridley are both due to be free agents after 2014 so they would have to pay them both second contracts.

Agreed. Moving up to get into the top 5-10 would be quite costly, particularly if you're trying to do it from #29.

Mallett and Ridley surely wouldn't be enough to get it done just themselves, and as you pointed out, the unknowns of how much you'd offer for contract extensions tend to make the situation even murkier in my opinion.
 
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No actually it's more crazy than you think. If anything the Browns may try to move up in the draft so they get the QB they want.
All due respect to the Patriots roster but there are very few players another team would want for a top 5 pick. Very few impact players on this team which speaks to Belchick's great coaching.
 
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No, not crazy at all. Jake Bequette should fetch their 2nd and 3rd rounders too. Then Kenbrell Tompkins straight up for Josh Gordon. How about Isaac Sopoaga for Phil Taylor.... Yeah, that's the ticket.

This is clearly the best idea of all, providing VALUE for both teams.
 
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I think that is feasible. Good post.

I look at it like this. The running class in this years Draft is terrible. One on the Browns major needs is an RB. O.K. let's say Mallet maybe (?) worth a second to some Teams because the QB's this year are plentiful, but each has flaws. A second for Mallet in that case is not crazy. Where there is absolutely "0" RB's for the first round, the RB needy Teams like the Giants or Browns may look trade or FA.

I agreed with your assessment that with the re-sign or Blount and extend Vereen. That is about what I had in mind.

O.K. If Mallet is worth a second rounder, and a proven 1,000 yard rusher like Ridley who is still young and inexpensive this year, he should jump to the top of the RB class. Would anyone challenge that?

A poster said he had a down year. Down because he was in BB's doghouse with 100 carries down for 2012. Both years together he is still over 2,000 yards. He has talent, but BB does not trust him. Challenge that anyone?

So in essence I am saying two players who have NFL experience (Mallet not so much). One who may or may not be a star RB in this league. The other at least as good as some 2014 class QBs.plus our first round pick for a swap of picks and TE Jordan Cameron who is very good now but without a great QB, far from elite.

If Trent Richardson is worth a first rounder, all you negative Cousins, please put a round grade on Ridley who gained 500 more yards using 2012 and 2013, plus a yard more per carry?

Let's use the NFL Draft value chart to my theory.

The #4 pick in the first round is worth 1,800 points.=1,800


I attest that Ridley is worth at the least what the Browns got from Richardson at a #26 in Round one.= 700


The Pats pick at #29 in the first round is worth=640


Lets say Mallet has at least a top second round grade which might be an argument but why would BB take less? (plus hey it's my thread)=580


700+640+580=1,920-1,800 for the Browns pick+ a left over of 120 points which equates to about our third round pick (125). Jordan Cameron was a fourth rounder. He has has one good year. In two years prior he had only 26 catches.....but he fits perfectly our move TE here. Maybe I am a little light on Jordan, but on paper.....Not as crazy as you think!


Am I wrong Cousins:

On Mallet as a high second round Grade?


Comparing Trent Richardson and the lack of any RBs in this Draft, is Ridley not worth at least what the Colts paid for Richardson (26th in the first) with two years of tape and results on each?


Adding our first at pick#29?


Using 120 points in the NFL Draft value equates to a third round pick "value" for a TE with one solid year but really fits our system, who was a forth rounder? Could be a little light there but not off that much.


The Browns pick up two starters both still very young, and still maintain two first round picks; in exchange for moving down the board and giving up a TE with potential but not a long resume. Does the Browns F.O. get fired for that? They fill two major needs at QB and RB instantly if Mallet is faster to be more NFL ready than Bridgewater or Bortles.

My logic is they pick one of those two or Manzeil and they are still behind the curve of young QB's and without a needed RB who if traded, may or may not star for them. To grab a FA RB will cost more than Ridley.

If I am wrong so badly, you evaluate them and do the math via the Draft Value board.
Tell me what you feel Mallet and Rdiley (and Cameron for that matter) are worth on this board. I would have interest in what you all are at.

DW Toys

Yes you are badly wrong
 
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1st Ridley Mallett a second next year might get it done but I doubt it happens.
The Patriots better be sure Clowney is a JJ Watt kind of impact player. It be interesting we would certainly know that Lombardi has a huge pull In the browns orginization and Has a massive man crush on Mallett.
 
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I'm wondering why the Browns are so hot for Mallet?

Mallet has not done anything to prove he is an NFL QB.

Running backs are not hard to find. The Browns could pick one up in the third round of this draft.
 
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Although my preference is to let Talib walk give his money to Michael Johnson. Sign Captain Munnerlyn to a reasonable contract. Draft at least 2 other secondary players if you do not land a safety in free agency. Cut Wilfork Cut Sopoga cut Adrian Wilson cut Conelly and Wendall give Alex Mack Logan Mankins type of money Rework Mankins contract. Extend Mccourty.
Sign one of Edelman, Macklin, Sanders.
Extend Gostkowski, Ask Admendola to rework his current deal. Extend Cannon now his best football is in front of him.
Sign Lee Smith back from Buffallo. If the jets cut Salas pounce on him. Sign Scott Chandler decimating the Bills tight ends. Take a flier on Danario Alexander 2 year contract mostly incentives. Needs in draft o line. Nose tackle, Secondary,
Move tight end I think Ebron is great and should be the target. If we don't land Danario or sign a wide out in free agency this needs addressed as well.

Fire away.
 
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I'm wondering why the Browns are so hot for Mallet?

Mallet has not done anything to prove he is an NFL QB.

Running backs are not hard to find. The Browns could pick one up in the third round of this draft.

Mike Lombardi has a history with BB and fans are hoping someone will give us a 1st rounder for a guy who is worth a 4th at best.

2+2=141
 
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