It’s official Rogers traded to the Jets !

[Bill Lee]

I think it's fair to say as of today on paper we are the worst team in the division. That's on paper and before the draft however. There is still time to change things so we need to hit on the draft pretty well.

With that said, Rodgers might very well be on decline so we'll see.

In other words, 'the paper' means nothing.

Tua may be free of concussions for the rest of his life, or he may feel woozy in the first game of the season and decide to retire and enjoy his millions.

I'm pretty confident Rodgers won't do well in NYC. He's not Brady V2. He's already shown he doesn't have the mental intensity Brady had. He'll be more like other 39 year old guys. He'll give it a go for a while, but pretty soon it'll be clear he's just going through the motions, like he was at the end of last season in GB.

 

[PatsFan2]

Eventually you pay the piper to some extent but a lot of it happens organically to some extent. You sign a big name QB to big money and keep kicking the can down the road until that QB ages out or leaves then you reset the roster with a young cheap QB and jettison off some of your other high priced guys. If a team really wants to keep a player they will find a way to do it. There aren't really many players teams truly wanted to keep at a specific salary that they just couldn't keep because of the cap. "Cap casualties" are usually guys that wouldn't take a pay cut or guys who a team deemed as overpaid based on their level of production. My whole thing with the cap is there are so many ways to maneuver around it for so long that while you have a good QB in his prime the cap really isn't a factor. It is only a factor when you move on from that QB and at that point you just slash down the roster and start the rebuilding with young cheap guys. The amount of time teams can kick the can gets longer and longer with the way the cap keeps increasing.

Also when was the last time the Jets won the Big one?? Seems like forever can't blame them for trying or going all out the Rams just did it.

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

In other words, 'the paper' means nothing.

Tua may be free of concussions for the rest of his life, or he may feel woozy in the first game of the season and decide to retire and enjoy his millions.

I'm pretty confident Rodgers won't do well in NYC. He's not Brady V2. He's already shown he doesn't have the mental intensity Brady had. He'll be more like other 39 year old guys. He'll give it a go for a while, but pretty soon it'll be clear he's just going through the motions, like he was at the end of last season in GB.

I think Rodgers will do okay. I have a feeling it won't be amazing or horrible. Just forgettable.

 

[203Pat]

In other words, 'the paper' means nothing.

Tua may be free of concussions for the rest of his life, or he may feel woozy in the first game of the season and decide to retire and enjoy his millions.

I'm pretty confident Rodgers won't do well in NYC. He's not Brady V2. He's already shown he doesn't have the mental intensity Brady had. He'll be more like other 39 year old guys. He'll give it a go for a while, but pretty soon it'll be clear he's just going through the motions, like he was at the end of last season in GB.

I think it will be a Favre Jets 2.0 season. Average play, average numbers, and a few hissy fits with the media and then he rides off into the sunset or tries to force his way to som other NFC North team for one last chance to embarrass himself.

 

[crawhammer]

- The Bills are clearly declining and it feels like Diggs is on track for some kind of drama. They barely beat the Dolphins with their 3rd string QB and then got smoked by Cincinnati. How good are they really?

Josh Allen is the 2nd best QB in the NFL. He's an automatic 40+ TD QB. They gave him an actual 1st & 2nd down RB (Damien Harris). Their defense took some loses this offseason but they're still going to be a nice complement to that offense. And the Bills absolutely own the Patriots at this point.

- The Jets got Rodgers, but he didn't look that great last year and is another year older. He was "90% retired" this offseason. They need to make cuts just to absorb his salary and their OL isn't great. Their defense is solid but how much better are they overall than the sub.-500 team last year just because they added an old Rodgers?

Yes. Much better. Literally their only problem last season was the play of their quarterbacks (which was horrendous). Rodgers is going to make a BIG difference.

- The Dolphins were hot to start the year but then spiraled down. Tua's health is a massive question mark and I wonder if McDaniel's coaching flavor is going to wear out in year 2. They did put up a good fight against Buffalo in the wild card, but I wonder what that's worth. The Patriots also put up a good fight against Buffalo a week prior when the Bills were riding their Damar Hamlin emotional high and may have won that game if not for some kickoff blunders.

Tua's health is the wild card here. I think he'll be out by October but if by some miracle he isn't concussed then their offense is going to be special. I saw decline in Jalen Ramsey but the trade was worth it and he may really help their defense (which was bad last season).

At this point I have the Patriots finishing last in the division. Maybe 3rd place if Tua takes another head shot. As I said, the Bills own the Patriots, and as Belichick emphatically admits, Rodgers is "too good."

 

[PatsFan2]

I think it will be a Favre Jets 2.0 season. Average play, average numbers, and a few hissy fits with the media and then he rides off into the sunset or tries to force his way to som other NFC North team for one last chance to embarrass himself.

With a budding stud G Wilson and a healthy Breece Hall I don't think even Rodgers can mess that up. IF the Jets have another good Draft they can lengthen the talent gap.

 

[Disco Volante]

In other words, 'the paper' means nothing.

Tua may be free of concussions for the rest of his life, or he may feel woozy in the first game of the season and decide to retire and enjoy his millions.

I'm pretty confident Rodgers won't do well in NYC. He's not Brady V2. He's already shown he doesn't have the mental intensity Brady had. He'll be more like other 39 year old guys. He'll give it a go for a while, but pretty soon it'll be clear he's just going through the motions, like he was at the end of last season in GB.

He doesn't need to be Brady

Even if Rodgers is simply average, that improves the Jets offense 100x over where they were last year

 

[Bill Lee]

Eventually you pay the piper to some extent but a lot of it happens organically to some extent. You sign a big name QB to big money and keep kicking the can down the road until that QB ages out or leaves then you reset the roster with a young cheap QB and jettison off some of your other high priced guys. If a team really wants to keep a player they will find a way to do it. There aren't really many players teams truly wanted to keep at a specific salary that they just couldn't keep because of the cap. "Cap casualties" are usually guys that wouldn't take a pay cut or guys who a team deemed as overpaid based on their level of production.

Our positions aren't that different, there is just a difference in emphasis. Where you see the player that the team finds a way to keep, in the same situation I see the up and coming player a team would want to keep but can't resign because they played cap games to keep other players. The young and upcoming player wants to be PAID and has to go to another team that has the cap space. The good news for us is the Patriots are pretty good at identifying those guys other teams cut and signing them to 'prove it' deals. The Patriots strategy tries to avoid 'tear it all down' seasons by trying to avoid pricey veterans or pricey 2nd contracts in most cases. We can all find exceptions, but IMO their strategy is really different than, let's say, the Rams or the Saints. Da Jete are trying the Bucs strategy, but IMO Rodgers is no Brady so it'll end poorly for them.

My whole thing with the cap is there are so many ways to maneuver around it for so long that while you have a good QB in his prime the cap really isn't a factor. It is only a factor when you move on from that QB and at that point you just slash down the roster and start the rebuilding with young cheap guys. The amount of time teams can kick the can gets longer and longer with the way the cap keeps increasing.

IMO Rodgers isn't a good QB in his prime, he's an aging QB in decline. The downside with that is it won't make sense to roll his cap hit into future years. Given the likely timing of it all, when he leaves their window will slam shut and it'll be time for a total roster rebuild.

 

[crawhammer]

Eh. Mac Jones will probably be in this league longer than Tua. I'm not Mac's number one fan by any stretch but Tua isn't reliable. Rodgers is better than Mac but he probably won't even be a NFL caliber qb within a year or two.

Regarding health, no question Mac should be able to sustain a longer NFL career than Tua. But if Tua is the better QB for the next 2-3 seasons then Mac's sustainability will become irrelevant to the Patriots (because he'll be on another team).

Not sure why you have Rodgers falling off the Kellerman cliff but he was MVP at ages 37 and 38 and currently he's 39. I won't be surprised if Rodgers has the best passer rating in the division.

 

[IcyPatriot]

Was waiting for it .... they have had better ....

 

[Bill Lee]

Even if Rodgers is simply average, that improves the Jets offense 100x over where they were last year

100x? If that's the hill you want to die on, fine. Personally, I think he will not cope well with da Jete's poor OL.

 

[Rob0729]

I don't care whose career is longer. Tua is better than Mac right now. As far as being better than Rodgers in two years Mac is probably on a new team.

Tua may only be better because of the players around him. He wasn't better than Jones in Jones' rookie season in 2021. Jones took a major step backwards when he was given a monsterous coaching situation and horrible OT tackle play and Tua took a major step forward with better coaching and the addition of Hill and an improved o-line.

Although Jones doesn't have a true #1, he should close that gap this year.

 

[Rob0729]

He doesn't need to be Brady

Even if Rodgers is simply average, that improves the Jets offense 100x over where they were last year

Mike White was average-ish last year. Rodgers needs to be more than average.

 

[PatsFan2]

Regarding health, no question Mac should be able to sustain a longer NFL career than Tua. But if Tua is the better QB for the next 2-3 seasons then Mac's sustainability will become irrelevant to the Patriots (because he'll be on another team).

Not sure why you have Rodgers falling off the Kellerman cliff but he was MVP at ages 37 and 38 and currently he's 39. I won't be surprised if Rodgers has the best passer rating in the division.

They got Lazard and the speedy Hardman in FA to pair with G Wilson: Rodgers who could throw them open.

 

[203Pat]

IMO Rodgers isn't a good QB in his prime, he's an aging QB in decline. The downside with that is it won't make sense to roll his cap hit into future years. Given the likely timing of it all, when he leaves their window will slam shut and it'll be time for a total roster rebuild.

I agree he is past his prime and the Jets are over extending themselves here but we all know why they are doing it. It is a last ditch effort for Joe Douglas and Robert Salah to keep their jobs. Joe Douglas hasn't been a terrible GM the last couple years but whiffing that badly at QB has basically made this a make or break year. At this point it really is the only thing he can do with the position he put himself in at QB.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Josh Allen is the 2nd best QB in the NFL. He's an automatic 40+ TD QB. They gave him an actual 1st & 2nd down RB (Damien Harris). Their defense took some loses this offseason but they're still going to be a nice complement to that offense. And the Bills absolutely own the Patriots at this point.


Yes. Much better. Literally their only problem last season was the play of their quarterbacks (which was horrendous). Rodgers is going to make a BIG difference.


Tua's health is the wild card here. I think he'll be out by October but if by some miracle he isn't concussed then their offense is going to be special. I saw decline in Jalen Ramsey but the trade was worth it and he may really help their defense (which was bad last season).

At this point I have the Patriots finishing last in the division. Maybe 3rd place if Tua takes another head shot. As I said, the Bills own the Patriots, and as Belichick emphatically admits, Rodgers is "too good."

Let me than you for saving me countless gorgeous autumn afternoon hours watching my Patriots in futility. If I had only known others like you I could have saved a lifetime of watching the Patriots from 1960 to 2001.

 

[PatsFan2]

Tua may only be better because of the players around him. He wasn't better than Jones in Jones' rookie season in 2021. Jones took a major step backwards when he was given a monsterous coaching situation and horrible OT tackle play and Tua took a major step forward with better coaching and the addition of Hill and an improved o-line.

Although Jones doesn't have a true #1, he should close that gap this year.

*Ding* ding and that's the hope for Mac Jones because he doesn't have the talent around him @ WR right now.

 

[203Pat]

Tua may only be better because of the players around him. He wasn't better than Jones in Jones' rookie season in 2021. Jones took a major step backwards when he was given a monsterous coaching situation and horrible OT tackle play and Tua took a major step forward with better coaching and the addition of Hill and an improved o-line.

Although Jones doesn't have a true #1, he should close that gap this year.

To me Tua and Mac are the same exact QB. A little undersized, weak arms, and not great athletes but production is production. If Bill would ever decide to value the receiver position maybe Mac could do what a healthy Tua could do but with the way Bill builds a roster it isn't likely to happen.

 

[Bill Lee]

Mike White was average-ish last year. Rodgers needs to be more than average.

I think it's important to note that after playing behind the Jete OL, Mike White ended up with fractured ribs.

 

[Steve102]

Let me than you for saving me countless gorgeous autumn afternoon hours watching my Patriots in futility. If I had only known others like you I could have saved a lifetime of watching the Patriots from 1960 to 2001.

I think maybe we should just wait until this time next year when the new Jerod Mayo led team picks first in the draft. Just turn the TV off starting now.

Man, these guys are brutal.