Is it possible Bill can save his job by benching Mac Jones and blaming the season on him?

[RobertWeathers]

How do you not throw to juju right here

Tough to know what route JuJu is supposed to run or do based on the coverage. If he adjusts the route does Mac anticipate what he'll do?

If he running a split or a post to the left then he absolute needs to throw that ball. If it's some kind of corner route to the right thats a **** play call.

Either way it's on Mac to get out of a bad call and into a good one. I've seen no evidence to support the belief he can or does consistently.

 

[PatsFan2]

Because we excuse 10 since he is the only qb in the NFL who doesn’t know what routes his receiver are going to run. So he had to wait until they are open to throw it so they aren’t so open any more after the ball gets there.

You mean if it gets there.

 

[Thelonious]

To the original question: Yes, he might try, but it won't work.

 

[Rob0729]

Yes Rob, I'm obsessed with you. When you said Mac was an "undeniable NFL starting caliber QB" a few weeks ago I almost came and now I just can't help myself.

Yawn, this is the best you got? Same tired BS. At least you aren't putting words in my mouth like you usually do.

 

[Rob0729]

So if you were 10s coach you would review that play with him and say good job??
You would not coach him to move AWAY from a grounded pass rusher, but praise him for trying to dance last?
You tell him great job not throwing to Zeke because an NFL QB should never expect a receiver to run his route.
You tell him great job not throwing to juju because even though the defender sat down in front and the safety was 20 yards away you shouldn’t read coverage and throw to where the guy will be when the ball arrives, you have to wait until he gets there?


If he throws the ball before contact to either where Zeke or juju would be when it gets there it’s a completion. It’s 100% relevant to the play. Please explain the reason NOT to throw to either of those guys before contact.


I NEVER expect my QB to move TOWARD the only threat who is laying on the ground. And if he thinks he has to then throw the ball because at least 2 guys are open. 10 100% did the wrong thing. That’s your percentage. If you think the job of a qb isn’t to get a play made instead of tripping over a defender lying on the ground then you deserve 10 as your QB.

Once more tell me that if you were 10s coach you would tell him the right thing to do was tuck the ball and run towards the guy laying in the ground.

First, did I say it was a good job by Mac? I said the sack wasn't his fault. Two different things.

Noticed you didn't answer my question. How much do you blame what you call a good offensive line that gets too much blame because they play perfect on most plays by they cannot play 100% on every play for that sack?

 

[Ring 6]

You are going to ridiculous lengths to make a sack on Jones that was 100% on the offensive line on Mac Jones. If you think Mac ran right into the guy on the ground and didn't try to move out of the way of the guy, there is no talking to you.

You think the o-line isn't at fault because they were good on that play, but just not 100% perfect. I mean they did block three of the four pass rushers. What more should a QB expect.

Mac knows the routes. And no he doesn't supposed to wait until they reach a spot. But neither of these are relevant to this play.

Serious question: Do you think when a defender runs through the center of the offensive line barely touched, do you think the offensive line bears even the slightest responsibility if the QB gets sacked? If so, what percentage?

What percentage is the OL
fault at this point? Easy throw to juju.

 

[Rob0729]

Zeke had plenty of time to make his cut.
But if you want to not believed that, fine, throw it to juju.
Hell avoid the guy laying in the ground and hit gesicki (Or Henry whoever is in the seam left to right) deep that was coming open too.

Being afraid to throw and tripping over a guy on the ground is how you end up with 11 net offensive TDs in 10 games.

Ok, you won. I assign Mac 3.478% of the responsibility for that sack. People will say I am crazy because the o-line perfectly blocked three of the four pass rushers on that play and it is too much to expect them to be 100% perfect blocking. The Pats have a great line and no one should expect a great line to handle a four man rush like that. That said, I put most of the blame on the o-line on that play.

 

[Ring 6]

First, did I say it was a good job by Mac? I said the sack wasn't his fault. Two different things.

Noticed you didn't answer my question. How much do you blame what you call a good offensive line that gets too much blame because they play perfect on most plays by they cannot play 100% on every play for that sack?

You said the sack wasn’t his fault and not throwing the ball wasn’t his fault and he didn’t run into the defender in the ground. If nothing he did was wrong then you are saying he was right.

When did I call it a good offensive line? When did I say they okay perfect on most plays but they can’t play 100% on every play?
Why put words in my mouth?

When you have to make up something I said to argue against my point, you have essentially conceded.

Juju was an easy throw before anyone was near 10.

 

[Rob0729]

What percentage is the OL
fault at this point? Easy throw to juju.

Ok, got it. You aren't a serious person. Mac wasn't even looking at JuJu direction at that point since he obviously wasn't the first read. Mac probably had under two seconds on that play to go through his progressions which is all the time in the world. He should have thrown it to the spot where JuJu would be before he snapped the ball.

 

[203Pat]

Belichick's mismanagement of his young QB is just astoundingly poor.

Third offensive system in three years. Crucial second year development wasted.

There was SOME ability in year one. What Belichick did to the kid year two was Jets-level incompetent.

He has done everything that we laughed at teams like the Jets, Browns, and Bills had done for two decades.

 

[Rob0729]

You said the sack wasn’t his fault and not throwing the ball wasn’t his fault and he didn’t run into the defender in the ground. If nothing he did was wrong then you are saying he was right.

When did I call it a good offensive line? When did I say they okay perfect on most plays but they can’t play 100% on every play?
Why put words in my mouth?

When you have to make up something I said to argue against my point, you have essentially conceded.

Juju was an easy throw before anyone was near 10.

Anyone with the slightest bit of objectivity would say the sack wasn't his fault. You refuse to assign any blame to the offensive line which is a joke.

I apologize for the line playing 100% perfect thing. That was Triumph's stupid comment. I thought you said it.

And JuJu was not the read and Mac didn't have time to go through his progressions because the offensive gave up the sack.

If you want to post other plays where Mac missed an open man, I probably agree with you. But every one who has broken down the film have blamed the sacks on the o-line from Bedard to Lazar.

 

[203Pat]

Damn the “QB isn’t everything” crowd is now the “QB is only thing” crowd. #TeamBill

Odd how that happened huh?

 

[Ring 6]

Ok, you won. I assign Mac 3.478% of the responsibility for that sack. People will say I am crazy because the o-line perfectly blocked three of the four pass rushers on that play and it is too much to expect them to be 100% perfect blocking. The Pats have a great line and no one should expect a great line to handle a four man rush like that. That said, I put most of the blame on the o-line on that play.

A competant qb would have thrown the ball before running into the guy in the ground. A less competant qb would have just avoided the guy in the ground. 10 wouldn’t throw and ran right at him.
If there weren’t receivers open, it would be the ol fault as well as the receivers. But there was an easy throw to make before any danger. I expect my QB to understand where open receivers are and throw to them not hold the ball and trip over players laying in the ground.

 

[Jlaff]

Yawn, this is the best you got? Same tired BS. At least you aren't putting words in my mouth like you usually do.

Your default "you're obsessed with me" is so fresh and original from you.

Thanks for at least being honest and going out of your way to confirm you called Mac an "undeniable NFL starting caliber QB" a few weeks ago though.

 

[Rob0729]

A competant qb would have thrown the ball before running into the guy in the ground. A less competant qb would have just avoided the guy in the ground. 10 wouldn’t throw and ran right at him.
If there weren’t receivers open, it would be the ol fault as well as the receivers. But there was an easy throw to make before any danger. I expect my QB to understand where open receivers are and throw to them not hold the ball and trip over players laying in the ground.

Stop it. Most QBs would have been sacked in that situation. At least the pocket passers. The defender got through the line barely touched. Watch the video. The defender hit Mac at the two second mark. That means that Mac had to scan the field in less than two seconds and find the open man when he started his progressions on the other side of the field.

Brady would have been sacked in this situation more often than not. So would every other pocket passer. You are assigning unrealistic expectations on Mac to trash the guy. There was plenty in this game to trash him. This sack was not one of them.

 

[Rob0729]

Your default "you're obsessed with me" is so fresh and original from you.

Thanks for at least being honest and going out of your way to confirm you called Mac an "undeniable NFL starting caliber QB" a few weeks ago though.

Several weeks ago he was starting caliber QB. Since the Cowboys game he hasn't been. But he is broken at this point and not the same player he was the first two years or even to start the season.

 

[Ring 6]

Anyone with the slightest bit of objectivity would say the sack wasn't his fault. You refuse to assign any blame to the offensive line which is a joke.

I apologize for the line playing 100% perfect thing. That was Triumph's stupid comment. I thought you said it.

And JuJu was not the read and Mac didn't have time to go through his progressions because the offensive gave up the sack.

There was a throw to make before danger. There was an escape move that didn’t involve tripping over a human carpet.
How do you know JUJU wasn’t the read? Because making it up supports your argument? Why in the world would you run that route, against that coverage and he isn’t the read? He is WIDE OPEN. He is the most likely target based upon coverage. If you see that coverage and know what he is running you salivate at the chance to throw to him if you don’t suck.

You are arguing that playing QB isn’t about knowing the play, reading the coverage and taking advantage of it.
Last week he checked into a play and his primary target was wide open and he didn’t throw to him. He doesn’t understand what he is supposed to do back there.
But what he certainly isn’t supposed to do is pass up open receivers and run toward defenders on the ground.

Let’s assume he thought he didn’t have time. Why not step back or left then throw to the wide open guy?
The reason? He didn’t know he was open because because he doesn’t understand the play concept or what the defense is doing.
Any decent qb sees that as a layup to juju.

 

[Rob0729]

Ring6, Look at the time at the bottom right. The defender was on Mac in under two seconds. You cannot blame Mac here.

 

[sb1]

Several weeks ago he was starting caliber QB. Since the Cowboys game he hasn't been. But he is broken at this point and not the same player he was the first two years or even to start the season.

No he isn't.

A change of scenery would do him and the Patriots good.

 

[Ring 6]

Ok, got it. You aren't a serious person. Mac wasn't even looking at JuJu direction at that point since he obviously wasn't the first read. Mac probably had under two seconds on that play to go through his progressions which is all the time in the world. He should have thrown it to the spot where JuJu would be before he snapped the ball.

You make my point. WHY ISNT HE LOOKING AT THE GUY THE COVERAGE DICTATES WILL BE WIDE OPEN?
Juju didn’t run a spectacular route, break any ankles. No one fell down. The defense ran its coverage and that coverage screams if someone is running jujus route they will be wide open.
He doesn’t understand the most basic concept of what he is doing back there.

Ding ding ding you finally realized it. 10 can’t find open receivers because he doesn’t know where to look.
This play is the perfect example.

We call a play that gets a receiver wide open and you think the qb isn’t supposed to know and should go trip over a guy laying on the ground

This is routine 20 yards for a competant qb.
Here’s a question for you. How many times do you think that route has been open this year? How many times have you seen 10 notice it?