Is it possible Bill can save his job by benching Mac Jones and blaming the season on him?

[Ring 6]

Stop. That's the end. Mac is damaged goods and can't do it right now.

Everything else you said is predicated on Mac being competent. He's not, not right now anyway. You're points are valid, 100%, but Mac is broken.

That is my point. 10 sucks and is dragging the team down.
Why people want to defend him is beyond me.

 

[Steve102]

That is my point. 10 sucks and is dragging the team down.
Why people want to defend him is beyond me.

Maybe I am misreading posts, but I don't see anyone defending the poor guy.

 

[sb1]

Imagine actually trying to say this roster is really good and instant contender with a QB change …and believing it! Lol

 

[50-yard-line]

I froze the shot at the point where Jones had to get rid of the ball. We agree that Zeke was open when he made the cut, but he made the cut too late. Here is the screen shot from when Zeke makes his cut. Explain to me how Mac was going to make that throw while being leg whipped by the defender.



We went though this same crap last year with people claiming receivers were open because they made their break too late and were open after the ball was thrown or Mac was sacked. Zeke is clearly not open on this play because he hadn't made his cut nor looked back for the ball. He was not an option on this play.

No offense, but you need to learn how to watch film before you tell others that what they are seeing on film isn't true.

How can you look at this and not see JJSS WIDE OPEN? And he was WIDE OPEN a moment before this, too.

 

[Steve102]

Imagine actually trying to say this roster is really good and instant contender with a QB change …and believing it! Lol

Define good. Competent QB play yesterday and they win. Just competent, not even good. A true game manager and win by two scores.

 

[Ring 6]

Imagine actually trying to say this roster is really good and instant contender with a QB change …and believing it! Lol

Who said that?

 

[50-yard-line]

Imagine actually trying to say this roster is really good and instant contender with a QB change …and believing it! Lol

The roster isn't "really good." But it's a helluva lot better than many here are saying, and yes, with a proper NFL QB (competent, not GOAT-level), they're still very much in the playoff hunt, and would be 3-1 in the division.


When the QB is leaving points on the board over and over again, and worse - giving TDs to the pther team on a regular basis - you're cooked.

Defenses know Jones. They know he can't throw to the sideline, or deep. Just like with Cam, they clog the middle, load the box, and call it a day. And STILL, with just a few bonehead plays taken back, they're still in the hunt.

It's not all on Mac Jones, of course. The Pats WRs are a bunch of 2s, 3s, and 4s. Their OL is young and has barely played together.
And still, the team SHOULD BE at or near .500.

 

[Ring 6]

How can you look at this and not see JJSS WIDE OPEN? And he was WIDE OPEN a moment before this, too.

Because we excuse 10 since he is the only qb in the NFL who doesn’t know what routes his receiver are going to run. So he had to wait until they are open to throw it so they aren’t so open any more after the ball gets there.

 

[sb1]

Define good. Competent QB play yesterday and they win. Just competent, not even good. A true game manager and win by two scores.

Jones was 15/20 for 170 yards and the one INT that we all know about. That’s 8.5 yards per attempt. That's his second best YPA passing production of the season. I think that’s competent especially since his pass blocking was the worst he's had this season.

Mac is not the guy for a lot of reasons and the Patriots should and will move on but this is not a QB fix away from a good roster. Funny that I keep seeing that it wasn't just Brady that won those games over the years and made this dynasty, it's a team game....but now Mac isn't getting the same treatment it's all the QB's fault for these losses. So...it's really a QB game and not a team game after all?

 

[203Pat]

The roster isn't "really good." But it's a helluva lot better than many here are saying, and yes, with a proper NFL QB (competent, not GOAT-level), they're still very much in the playoff hunt, and would be 3-1 in the division.


When the QB is leaving points on the board over and over again, and worse - giving TDs to the pther team on a regular basis - you're cooked.

Defenses know Jones. They know he can't throw to the sideline, or deep. Just like with Cam, they clog the middle, load the box, and call it a day. And STILL, with just a few bonehead plays taken back, they're still in the hunt.

It's not all on Mac Jones, of course. The Pats WRs are a bunch of 2s, 3s, and 4s. Their OL is young and has barely played together.
And still, the team SHOULD BE at or near .500.

Worst receiver group in the league. An inconsistent offensive line. A patchwork cornerback group. Horrendous special teams. Where is all this talent I am hearing about?

 

[Ring 6]

Jones was 15/20 for 170 yards and the one INT that we all know about. That’s 8.5 yards per attempt. That's his second best YPA passing production of the season. I think that’s competent especially since his pass blocking was the worst he's had this season.

Mac is not the guy for a lot of reasons and the Patriots should and will move on but this is not a QB fix away from a good roster. Funny that I keep seeing that it wasn't just Brady that won those games over the years and made this dynasty, it's a team game....but now Mac isn't getting the same treatment it's all the QB's fault for these losses. So...it's really a QB game and not a team game after all?

You think Jones played competantly yesterday? Really? You like scoring 6 points? I guess it was the running games fault for only going 36-167

 

[Ring 6]

Define good. Competent QB play yesterday and they win. Just competent, not even good. A true game manager and win by two scores.

And you can say the same for the LV and Washington games.
That’s a .500 record despite the horrific qb play against Dallas, Miami, NO.

It’s not even asking the QB to elevate the team, it’s asking him to not cost it games.

With a competant QB who knows if the team could do any better, but they certainly would be competitive and wouldn’t be losing to bad teams like they have.

 

[Steve102]

Jones was 15/20 for 170 yards and the one INT that we all know about. That’s 8.5 yards per attempt. That's his second best YPA passing production of the season. I think that’s competent especially since his pass blocking was the worst he's had this season.

Mac is not the guy for a lot of reasons and the Patriots should and will move on but this is not a QB fix away from a good roster. Funny that I keep seeing that it wasn't just Brady that won those games over the years and made this dynasty, it's a team game....but now Mac isn't getting the same treatment it's all the QB's fault for these losses. So...it's really a QB game and not a team game after all?

You know the answer. It's a QB centered team game.

Someone once said that her husband could not throw the ball and catch the ball. That's true. If all 11 guys don't do their job, it most likely will fail. If there's exemplary QB play, it covers up a lot of sins. But the QB doesn't play defense or specials. You can have an real good defense and really good skills guys, but if Zach Wilson (see what I did there) is throwing the rock, you can't beat the lousy Raiders.

Put it this way, Tom was still here in 2019, was miserable, and they won a lot because of Tom. Take Tom off that roster and what happens? ****. Put Tom on this team and they are fighting for a wild card.

Yesterday was not competent QB play. We can make the numbers work to our favor all day long, but that was not NFL QB level play.

I'll go so far to say that if you put Gardner Minshew out there in a Pats uniform yesterday, they win, going away.

 

[Ring 6]

I'll go so far to say that if you put Gardner Minshew out there in a Pats uniform yesterday, they win, going away.

Absolutely

 

[wheresmosi]

The ill-advised throws and consistently bad decisions Mac makes isn't because Belichick has forgotten how to coach. Mac has unraveled before our eyes and there's no fixing it.

I might be in the minority, but yesterday actually gave me some clarity. The way I saw, the defense was very solid, and it is stil lclear you arent going to do better on D with someone other than BB. They have their letdowns, but so do 90% of the teams in the NFL. And considering how much they are on the field.....
Besides this, the mistakes of Jones are so plain, that it is really hard to pin that on the coach. Yes, you might fault him for losing devleopment las tyear, etc. etc., but at some point, its own Jones to not repeatedly make foolish mistakes, and show more mental toughness. Whatever the coaches have contributed, other players deal better with it.
So, I think yesterday actually strengthened the case for keeping BB, IF he willing to give up GM. But he likely isn't--but that's a different conversation we've been having.

 

[BennyBledsoe]

Belichick's mismanagement of his young QB is just astoundingly poor.

Third offensive system in three years. Crucial second year development wasted.

There was SOME ability in year one. What Belichick did to the kid year two was Jets-level incompetent.

 

[Boomer B]

Maybe I am misreading posts, but I don't see anyone defending the poor guy.

You’re right, no one is defending him. Andy is just trying to pin every issue we have on him, which is complete B.S.

Mac is broken, our drafting has been poor, our WR core is bad, we have issues on the o-line, our special teams is lacking, Bill made mistakes with the coaching staff, ….. - all these are true.

 

[Ross12]

If the team coalesces with Mac on the bench and the offense somehow looks more productive then I could see this leading to Bill keeping his job, but it depends on how we got here in the first place.

If Bill was forced by Kraft to set things up for Mac and hold Mac’s hand and give him the longest leash possible until it was clear he was just not good, then Kraft may privately be able to say “you were right Bill, the kid just is not good enough”.

Conversely if it was Bill’s plan to do all of the above then Mac being terrible is really just his fault so he shouldn’t get any kind of pass.

People will say “Bill drafted him so it’s his fault” - he was a mid 1st rounder and the fifth QB, **** happens. If Bill was out on him after 2 years but Kraft wouldn’t let him move on and Bill was proven correct then I can sort of see the argument for letting Bill stick around and close the book on things.

A lot of it probably rests on if things just look like more of the same after the bye, or if the team has a marked change after dumping Mac.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

If the team coalesces with Mac on the bench and the offense somehow looks more productive then I could see this leading to Bill keeping his job, but it depends on how we got here in the first place.

If Bill was forced by Kraft to set things up for Mac and hold Mac’s hand and give him the longest leash possible until it was clear he was just not good, then Kraft may privately be able to say “you were right Bill, the kid just is not good enough”.

Conversely if it was Bill’s plan to do all of the above then Mac being terrible is really just his fault so he shouldn’t get any kind of pass.

People will say “Bill drafted him so it’s his fault” - he was a mid 1st rounder and the fifth QB, **** happens. If Bill was out on him after 2 years but Kraft wouldn’t let him move on and Bill was proven correct then I can sort of see the argument for letting Bill stick around and close the book on things.

A lot of it probably rests on if things just look like more of the same after the bye, or if the team has a marked change after dumping Mac.

Bottom line, we need a new QB.

 

[Nehalem]

I don't see how benching Mac and replacing him with Zappe could possibly save BB's job.

I mean BB is the one who decided to go with Mac over Zappe for 10 games.

I guess there is some small chance if Will Grier has success. Because then he could claim that Will Grier wasn't ready until after the bye. But then again if Will Grier comes in and wins games then BB looks worse for going into the season with Mac Jones and Zappe at QB.