Is Darius Butler's dissapointing start that much worse than McCourty's?

[IcyPatriot]

By no means do I recommend giving up on Butler. He's played a season plus 3 games. He'll get better with time and hopefully will accept some coaching.

Mike Holley today was saying that Butler has more intangibles than McCourty. That scouts have said if they both were in the draft then Butler would be rated higher. For what it's worth ... as we well know those ratings are somewhat flawed in translating a player from college to the NFL.

 

[tombonneau]

Great question. My answer is there always needs to be a whipping boy. It's that simple.

 

[dhamz]

Is it much worse? It is definitely worse. Butler was benched, McCourty wasn't. McCourty really hasn't been good either but as a rookie he has lower expectations than the 2nd year player which is as it should be.

 

[Tasco]

I think Corner is one of the easiest positions for us too judge as fans, simply because they are usually much more isolated. Regardless, i don't think there's anyone who would argue Butler played well in those first 2 games.

I agree with you and surely didn't want to state that he was playing well (besides the first half vs the Bengals, if I remember correctly)! I'm just thinking that he maybe wasn't THAT bad, as everybody is thinking; but I'm talking hypothetically here.
For sure he was a disappointment for the coaching staff too...Arrington as a starter over him was very surprising. Maybe they wanted to show him the rough way that he's following the wrong path?!

 

[TheComeback]

The question is,does benching and replacing a player that looks like he lost his confidence the best thing to do? or do you keep him out there and push him to play harder and make it a must to show more effort?

I can't see benching a player with a lack of confidence a good thing....but I don't have any inside info on it so......

This is the NFL, not Pop Warner. If his feelings are hurt because of a well-deserved benching, then he won't make it in this league anyway. Someone who actually wants the starting job will eventually step up and take it.

You don't just give some dude all the snaps because he's your 2nd round pick from last year... give it to the guy who is doing whatever it takes to be the best player on the field. BB knows what to do. Bruschi said the same thing.

 

[Frezo]

Mike Holley today was saying that Butler has more intangibles than McCourty. That scouts have said if they both were in the draft then Butler would be rated higher. For what it's worth ... as we well know those ratings are somewhat flawed in translating a player from college to the NFL.

We can at least say that they are both better than Kyle Wilson.

 

[MossWelkowski]

McCourty's a rookie enough said. Butler is a POS that should be cut. He sucks. He will always suck. Belichick's poor drafts cost this team at least 2 superbowls.

 

[IcyPatriot]

McCourty's a rookie enough said. Butler is a POS that should be cut. He sucks. He will always suck. Belichick's poor drafts cost this team at least 2 superbowls.

We need the flush app in this forum.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

McCourty's a rookie enough said. Butler is a POS that should be cut. He sucks. He will always suck. Belichick's poor drafts cost this team at least 2 superbowls.

Butler's rookie season showed him with 3 INTs,34 Tackles in 14 games and a 90 yard return for a TD

He showed some promise,thats why I think he needs to pick up his game and show a progression of that rookie year but certainly does not deserve to be cut.

Is Arrington really the answer?

 

[patriotscpfc]

Bills are a Running team.

Banta-Cain and Butler were susceptible against the Run.

Bill gets to send a message to them by benching them for a bit but also bolsters his gameplan by having the other 2 guys in there.

As for McCourty vs Butler.

McCourty has been matched up against the #1 WR most of the time.

Butler was picked on by all.

I'm not giving up on either. Both are potential studs.

 

[mr3putt]

Butler's instincts and technique appear to have regressed this season
His confidence as well
BB seemed to have left him alone on some tough matchups and this idea of going rogue is very disturbing
He has failed....consistantly

McCourty shows better technique and is definitely more physical
Too soon to make a difinitive judgement on either player but right now McCourty looks better to me

 

[sarge]

I can think of one long pass last week where McCourty had perfect underneath overage but Chung screwed up over the top. And I am sure that stat added significant yards to the stats. And that is just off the top of my head.

If a receiver runs that same route I expect McCourty to be in the same place. Hopefully the safety will do his job.

That said, coverage wise, the biggest problem with Butler is finishing the play as he admits. He always seems in position to make a play but just never does. It's not like he is 10 yards off like Hobbs use to be. He is usually in there pretty tight. Just does not finish the play.

And to be fair, the PI called against Butler against the Jets when he completely turned around and knocked the ball down was total crap. The next was legit though (Though Revis gets away with that much contact every play)

What I would like to see from McCourty is for him to get his head around and get one of these picks.

 

[ALP]

I looked at the stats of both starting Cornerbacks and it really seems that Butler has not done that much worse than a CB that many are praising in McCourty.

McCourty has allowed 23 of 35 passes to be completed against him and he has given up 238 Yards

Butler has allowed 26 of 35 passes to be completed against him and he has given up 253 Yards

Is this really that much of a difference that Butler is getting brutalized by Pats fans and McCourty praised for doing well?

I don't understand it,Is there an intangible that Butler is doing that makes him the brunt of the wrath of Pats fans? - as far as pass completions of thier man to man coverage,its a close call from what I see stats wise.

What has McCourty done that brings him to a higher level of satisfaction other than him just being a rookie and Butler a 2nd year player?

I have obviously seen this thread late, but thank you very much for creating it

 

[ALP]

This is one of those times where the stats don't mean so much too me and it's just the eye test. McCourty gets beat but he always looks competitive, he's knocked some balls away, and he looks like he's a physical player. Butler got bullied by a declining Chad Johnson (T.O is better than him) and Edwards, but that play in the Buffalo game, the CJ Spiller run where he totally screwed up, looked like Butler has lost all his confidence.

are u insane? a declining ochocinco?

ochocinco is STILL a top 15-20 wr in this league, and thats w/ a horrendus QB

however, it was butler that was on TO more, so your point is misguided either way

 

[voluntarysaftey]

And to be fair, the PI called against Butler against the Jets when he completely turned around and knocked the ball down was total crap.

I would argue that, even if PI wasn't called, it was still a horrible play by Butler. If Butler only turned around with both of his hands, he should've had an easy pick; and that could've changed the game.

 

[upstater1]

I would argue that, even if PI wasn't called, it was still a horrible play by Butler. If Butler only turned around with both of his hands, he should've had an easy pick; and that could've changed the game.

A horrible play? Any time a DB knocks down the ball and runs step for step is a good play.

My God, a horrible play because he didn't intercept the ball? REALLY!!!!

 

[Ring 6]

I looked at the stats of both starting Cornerbacks and it really seems that Butler has not done that much worse than a CB that many are praising in McCourty.

McCourty has allowed 23 of 35 passes to be completed against him and he has given up 238 Yards

Butler has allowed 26 of 35 passes to be completed against him and he has given up 253 Yards

Is this really that much of a difference that Butler is getting brutalized by Pats fans and McCourty praised for doing well?

I don't understand it,Is there an intangible that Butler is doing that makes him the brunt of the wrath of Pats fans? - as far as pass completions of thier man to man coverage,its a close call from what I see stats wise.

What has McCourty done that brings him to a higher level of satisfaction other than him just being a rookie and Butler a 2nd year player?

Where are these stats from? Ive seen a lot of different stats, can you give the source?

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Where are these stats from? Ive seen a lot of different stats, can you give the source?

I believe it was CHFF but I will check on that source for you tomorrow on my regular laptop,I'm using iPad now