Is Darius Butler's dissapointing start that much worse than McCourty's?

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

I looked at the stats of both starting Cornerbacks and it really seems that Butler has not done that much worse than a CB that many are praising in McCourty.

McCourty has allowed 23 of 35 passes to be completed against him and he has given up 238 Yards

Butler has allowed 26 of 35 passes to be completed against him and he has given up 253 Yards

Is this really that much of a difference that Butler is getting brutalized by Pats fans and McCourty praised for doing well?

I don't understand it,Is there an intangible that Butler is doing that makes him the brunt of the wrath of Pats fans? - as far as pass completions of thier man to man coverage,its a close call from what I see stats wise.

What has McCourty done that brings him to a higher level of satisfaction other than him just being a rookie and Butler a 2nd year player?

 

[JackBauer]

And what, pray tell, is the YPA stat for both corners?

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

And what, pray tell, is the YPA stat for both corners?

No idea,didn't find info on it...thats why the question was asked

 

[CheeseMonkeys]

McCourty has just looked a lot better. Less Mental errors and he appears to be a bit more physical. He's also the rook and Darius Butler isn't.

 

[shmessy]

I looked at the stats of both starting Cornerbacks and it really seems that Butler has not done that much worse than a CB that many are praising in McCourty.

McCourty has allowed 23 of 35 passes to be completed against him and he has given up 238 Yards

Butler has allowed 26 of 35 passes to be completed against him and he has given up 253 Yards

Is this really that much of a difference that Butler is getting brutalized by Pats fans and McCourty praised for doing well?

I don't understand it,Is there an intangible that Butler is doing that makes him the brunt of the wrath of Pats fans? - as far as pass completions of thier man to man coverage,its a close call from what I see stats wise.

What has McCourty done that brings him to a higher level of satisfaction other than him just being a rookie and Butler a 2nd year player?

Perhaps because McCourty has been thrown in there as a raw rookie and Butler already has a full year under his belt???

Throw in the fact that this McCourty kid has made some crunching tackles in the run game whereas Butler is a pure cover - no pain inducing defender - - they are two very different players.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

McCourty has just looked a lot better. Less Mental errors and he appears to be a bit more physical. He's also the rook and Darius Butler isn't.

I think that where the brunt of criticism is really all about

Its probably the one year of experience that seperates the two more than a few yards does.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Perhaps because McCourty has been thrown in there as a raw rookie and Butler already has a full year under his belt???

Throw in the fact that this McCourty kid has made some crunching tackles in the run game whereas Butler is a pure cover - no pain inducing defender - - they are two very different players.

Yeah there are some intangibles I think like you said,if you go solely by yards and passes allowed its close but those intangibles and advantage of 1 year experience is the difference I guess.

I still think the Butler deserves another chance in tonight's game against Bess but from what I hear,Arrington will start

 

[Sicilian]

I don't think I've seen a statistic yet that can accurately evaluate a cornerback's (or any defender, really) actual level of play. Their assignments are so varied and intertwined, that sometimes I wonder how exactly they determine that Butler or McCourty was thrown on if it's not a straight man coverage situation. Even in man coverage, did the player have help over the top or not? Things like that make flat numbers like this difficult to use in assessments.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

I don't think I've seen a statistic yet that can accurately evaluate a cornerback's (or any defender, really) actual level of play. Their assignments are so varied and intertwined, that sometimes I wonder how exactly they determine that Butler or McCourty was thrown on if it's not a straight man coverage situation. Even in man coverage, did the player have help over the top or not? Things like that make flat numbers like this difficult to use in assessments.

I concur with that,tough to come to an analogy of individuals when it takes 4 guys to control the back of the defense

 

[D-Money]

Butler has been very dissapointing.I still cant get over the fact at how Braylon Edwards just beat him on that endzone TD.I am not giving up on him but he definetly needs to start playing better!

 

[IcyPatriot]

It's because Butler has not really accepted being coached. When you do your job everyone else's job becomes easier. mcCourty is doing as he is told and Butler has gone rogue a few times ...

The criticism is warranted ... there is more than just receiving stats allowed by Butler going on there. How many times should he have supported the run. How many times was he supposed to help. How many times did a safety have to help him out which left other areas exposed and that list could be very long.

Individual stats are rather meaningless in Bill's system compared to doing your job right.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

It's because Butler has not really accepted being coached. When you do your job everyone else's job becomes easier. mcCourty is doing as he is told and Butler has gone rogue a few times ...

The criticism is warranted ... there is more than just receiving stats allowed by Butler going on there. How many times should he have supported the run. How many times was he supposed to help. How many times did a safety have to help him out which left other areas exposed and that list could be very long.

Individual stats are rather meaningless in Bill's system compared to doing your job right.

It could also be an attitude problem,in the locker room or in practice,maybe he is doing something like Meriweather did like 'his own thing' to result in his benching but fans obviously haven't that type of inside info.

 

[WelshPat]

This is one of those times where the stats don't mean so much too me and it's just the eye test. McCourty gets beat but he always looks competitive, he's knocked some balls away, and he looks like he's a physical player. Butler got bullied by a declining Chad Johnson (T.O is better than him) and Edwards, but that play in the Buffalo game, the CJ Spiller run where he totally screwed up, looked like Butler has lost all his confidence.

 

[IcyPatriot]

It could also be an attitude problem,in the locker room or in practice,maybe he is doing something like Meriweather did like 'his own thing' to result in his benching but fans obviously haven't that type of inside info.

WEEI today said that Butler has acknowledged going rogue like Brandon did.

 

[Yfz01]

Remember that McCourty played almost a full game longer then Butler.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

This is one of those times where the stats don't mean so much too me and it's just the eye test. McCourty gets beat but he always looks competitive, he's knocked some balls away, and he looks like he's a physical player. Butler got bullied by a declining Chad Johnson (T.O is better than him) and Edwards, but that play in the Buffalo game, the CJ Spiller run where he totally screwed up, looked like Butler has lost all his confidence.

The question is,does benching and replacing a player that looks like he lost his confidence the best thing to do? or do you keep him out there and push him to play harder and make it a must to show more effort?

I can't see benching a player with a lack of confidence a good thing....but I don't have any inside info on it so......

 

[Tasco]

I think his benching was very telling. They supposedly were really unhappy with his performance; I don't think there can be any other reason.
Generally I think as fans we have really a hard time evaluating him; we always see only the end of every play; we don't know how he was covering when the play was going to the opposite side. We mainly see the negative plays, much more seldom the good ones.

 

[WelshPat]

The question is,does benching and replacing a player that looks like he lost his confidence the best thing to do? or do you keep him out there and push him to play harder and make it a must to show more effort?

I can't see benching a player with a lack of confidence a good thing....but I don't have any inside info on it so......

No you are right, you risk totally shattering the guy and losing him for good.

It all depends on BBs opinion of the guy. Does he think he can be a starting corner in this league? If he does, he should play him.

 

[WelshPat]

I think his benching was very telling. They supposedly were really unhappy with his performance; I don't think there can be any other reason.
Generally I think as fans we have really a hard time evaluating him; we always see only the end of every play; we don't know how he was covering when the play was going to the opposite side. We mainly see the negative plays, much more seldom the good ones.

I think Corner is one of the easiest positions for us too judge as fans, simply because they are usually much more isolated. Regardless, i don't think there's anyone who would argue Butler played well in those first 2 games.

 

[shmessy]

By no means do I recommend giving up on Butler. He's played a season plus 3 games. He'll get better with time and hopefully will accept some coaching.