Is Brady Entering his final year?

[SlowGettingUp]

Here are a couple of claims that I think most here will agree on:

1. As you get older, even minor injuries take longer to heal.

2. If you look at Brady's future earnings, more will come from endorsements than from salary.

3. From an endorsement perspective, you don't want to see a decline.

If Brady were to win one more ring, I'd bet he'd be seriously considering going out on top and collecting his endorsement paychecks without DEs trying to kill him each week.

And this is worth watching:

 

[bormio]

I can't disagree with anything said here. Would I LIKE to see Brady play until 2020? Sure. But at some point, we fans need to also start thinking like business folks and look at the reality of the situation. At some point, he isn't going to be here anymore.

Better to walk away on your own terms, then to do a Favre and keep begging for a chance to play with some team, any team.

I just never want to see this:

You don't want to see that?? That would be amazing. Or is it the uniform you don't like.

 

[mosslost]

There has been a lot of talk of Brady retiring if he wins 1 more this year. I don't think so. Brady can add very little to his personal legacy at this point particularly if he wins #6 there is even less to add.

That being said he would have 1 thing left he wants to prove and that is the medical/health side. He would stay in just to prove what he does works. That is his next calling in life and every year he can play at a high level from this point on adds to that argument exponentially. I don't see any way Brady retires if it in his mind proves the methods him and Alex use work.

If I had to guess what Brady might be thinking it be this "I want to stay in and win more rings but more importantly I want to do something for the health of future generations of athletes to come. I want to prove our methods work to make athletes and people in general healthier and longer lasting in doing athletic activities".

If that is what he believes (and i think it is) that is a powerful motivation and reason to stay in as long as he can. If he plays till 45 at a good level he can be like "You still saying what we are doing doesn't work? Proof is in the pudding!" and I think he wants to say that cause he believes that is how he can make the world a better place. Maybe he is right too.

>>Maybe he is right too.

The stuff he is into is mostly whacko though. There is no vitamin water that helps concussions. He is not "right".

 

[bormio]

Here are a couple of claims that I think most here will agree on:

1. As you get older, even minor injuries take longer to heal.

2. If you look at Brady's future earnings, more will come from endorsements than from salary.

3. From an endorsement perspective, you don't want to see a decline.

If Brady were to win one more ring, I'd bet he'd be seriously considering going out on top and collecting his endorsement paychecks without DEs trying to kill him each week.

Yeah, decline really hurt Jordan's endorsements (or reputation).

 

[Ring 6]

When you look at the writing on the wall, it's hard not to come to that conclusion.

No it isn't. There are many factors and possible motivations.

Nobody wants to see Brady traded, but how else do you explain passing on Clevelands offer for Garoppalo?

If reports are correct, why would the Patriots not trade there backup QB for the 12th overall pick at a minimum?
Garoppalo is going to get paid next year, by either the Patriots or someone else.

Reports usually aren't correct btw

But Brady is 40. What if he misses 4-5 games? Is jimmy g then more valuable than a draft pick?
What if Brady does hit the wall this year?
What if Brady sustains a serious injury.
What if Brady decides he does want to retire? A complete change of mind but at 40 thise decisions are very subject to change.
There are many reasons other than the stupidity of getting rid of the GOAT when he is playing as well as he ever has that you pass up a pick.

Oh and you don't pass it up you wait a year and tag and trade. So even if that ends up a 3rd you take the insurance for the situations above plus a 3 over just a 1.

We all think Brady is invincible but there is some percentage chance that one of those factors happens. If it's 10% there is a very strong argument that insurance is worth a draft pick.

It makes no sense to pass on that type of compensation unless they plan on keeping Garoppalo past this season.

It makes perfect sense. See above.

I can understand the logic that Brady is 40 & we need a compatant backup, but let's not forget Brady has played every game other than his suspension over the last 8 years.

So, since he will break down at some point, you are arguing that until he does, just ignore the possibility?

Next years draft has 3 highly rated QB's in the draft, so this was the year that Garoppalo provided "value" in the trade market.

Literally zero impact on the decision.
Matt Barkley was a "guaranteed can't miss 1 overall pick" his jr year then dropped to the 4th. Jake locker was the same thing but didn't fall as far.

I don't see the Patriots franchising Garoppalo to be a backup, & I also don't see him signing with the Patriots to remain a backup.

If Brady suffers a debilitating injury they will be stuck paying Jimmy franchise QB money. If not they will tag and trade.

If anyone has a better explanation, I am all ears.

You asked for it, you got it.

 

[mosslost]

I don

When you look at the writing on the wall, it's hard not to come to that conclusion.

Nobody wants to see Brady traded, but how else do you explain passing on Clevelands offer for Garoppalo?

If reports are correct, why would the Patriots not trade there backup QB for the 12th overall pick at a minimum?
Garoppalo is going to get paid next year, by either the Patriots or someone else.

It makes no sense to pass on that type of compensation unless they plan on keeping Garoppalo past this season.

I can understand the logic that Brady is 40 & we need a compatant backup, but let's not forget Brady has played every game other than his suspension over the last 8 years.

Next years draft has 3 highly rated QB's in the draft, so this was the year that Garoppalo provided "value" in the trade market.

I don't see the Patriots franchising Garoppalo to be a backup, & I also don't see him signing with the Patriots to remain a backup.

If anyone has a better explanation, I am all ears.

I don't think Cleveland offerred number 12.

 

[BobDigital]

>>Maybe he is right too.

The stuff he is into is mostly whacko though. There is no vitamin water that helps concussions. He is not "right".

Well of course he is wrong about various stuff. I also thing he is right about stuff. I have said before i think many things he does and says make sense and i believe work. I also said a number of things (the one you brought up for example) is BS.

When i said "maybe he is right" I was referring to macro outcome of it all. I am not saying Brady is right about everything i am saying maybe the world can be made a better place if he proves there is something to the things he does.

What I think would happen and would like to see if he plays till 45 is having professionals in the medical field of sports really look at the things him and alex do. Experiment with each one in a controlled environment and try to pin down what is or is not effective. If that improves sports medicine or medicine in general and maybe it can then that be great of course.

 

[mosslost]

Montana was banged up pretty bad in the years prior to the trade too. That's why the trade happened. A franchise with no reason to move on from its stud generally won't do it. Montana had built up a fair sized injury history by the time the team moved on from him.

Which is the reason I'm not 100% on the team moving on from Brady. Right now there's no reason to except for Garoppolo hype. I doubt that's enough on its own unless TB12 has already indicated in private that he's thinking of hanging 'em.

However, there's no reason to sleep on Garoppolo. He has every chance of being good enough to take this team to the playoffs in the very near future if he can stay healthy. I don't like people who need to spit on one player in order to sustain their binky. I don't think that's called for in Garoppolo's case. Every indication is that Jimmy G is going to be a fine starter when given the chance.

Flat out silly and dumb to refer to Tom Brady as anyone's binky. (It is also a very dumb sportism in the first place, should be avoided use)

 

[Ring 6]

To be kind, an unintelligent response.

I'm referring to winning during the next seven years, not some abstract time after Brady retires.

Lots of people are thrilled and satisfied and completely agree with the Niners decision to keep Steve Young and dump Joe Montana. They won the Super Bowl! Once!!

I'd much rather have three or four more titles. But that's just me.

Preemptive response: No, Montana would not have nearly been as banged up in the ensuing two seasons had he stayed in San Francisco, and he would have retired later.

Montana was a shell of himself by the time he went to KC.

Plus Young had surpassed him while Montana was injured.
Young was 14-2 and 1st team all pro they year before Montana was traded.
He was the better QB, Montana didn't have much left.

Not comparable to Brady's situation

 

[archstanton543]

To quote BB in response to the OP, ************.

Also, what the hell are you listening to Madame Jones for?

 

[Ring 6]

As if in cue the GOAT chimes in.
No he isn't retiring any time soon.

Tom Brady opens up more on when he might retire, why he doesn’t want Super Bowl jersey thief to go to jail

 

[Nehalem]

Here are a couple of claims that I think most here will agree on:

1. As you get older, even minor injuries take longer to heal.

Over the past 8 years JG has missed more games to injury than Brady.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I think Brady will retire before playing with another team. His wife was (according to him) asking him to retire after this last championship run.

If I'm Brady I go directly to Miami and make the Patriots pay dearly for their surreal stupidity.

 

[Brit patriot]

This all depends on how good BB thinks Jimmy is. Everything is about value. The day draft picks and a starting QB become more valuable than a 40 plus QB, then prepare for Brady to retire or be traded.

However, if BB is not THAT taken with Jimmy, then that time may not come.

Someone should ask Bill at the first press conference back. I am sure he will be happy to discuss it and make this conversation non-hypothetical.

 

[Kontradiction]

If I'm Brady I go directly to Miami and make the Patriots pay dearly for their surreal stupidity.

I highly doubt there's any way they trade him if he's still playing like Brady. It's much more likely that he calls it a career. Especially if he wins his 6th.

 

[Raymond]

As if in cue the GOAT chimes in.
No he isn't retiring any time soon.

Tom Brady opens up more on when he might retire, why he doesn’t want Super Bowl jersey thief to go to jail

Damn, Sometimes I think Brady's outlook is more positive and forgiving and driven than 90% of the rest of humanity.

You are IMO correct Andy, Bill simply values a reliable backup more than most, and has called out Indy in the past for their 1-15 when forehead went down. Bill will take what he can get in a tag and trade in 18.

Brady will continue to play for the foreseeable future.

 

[VectorPrime]

We should have drafted Jimmy in the first round. Easly was a bust so no loss there and we'd be able to use the 5th year option for Jimmy to buy us another year of both him and Brady.

 

[Deus Irae]

Could we maybe date all the "Brady is gone" threads? We could just post one every day, that way. Hell, maybe Ian could create a subforum for it.

 

[Deus Irae]

We should have drafted Jimmy in the first round. Easly was a bust so no loss there and we'd be able to use the 5th year option for Jimmy to buy us another year of both him and Brady.

No, they should have drafted Tuitt in the first round that year.

 

[sb1]

I personally believe yes, this is Brady's final year with us. It's potentially 2-5 more years of elite QB play vs. potentially 10+ years of elite QB play, from a business value you'd obviously go with the latter.

There is nothing in JG's play to date which suggests the Patriots are in for potentially 10+ years of elite QB play. Clearly given the lack of a trade on terms agreeable to the Patriots, other teams agree with that sentiment.

That's not to say Garropolo is better though, not at all. What Brady is doing at age 40 is absolutely incredible and it is difficult to say that Garropolo is at least 80% as good as Brady without a bigger sample size. However, considering that Belichick raved about Garropolo and the fact that Belichick didn't trade Garropolo despite approaches from Cleveland, it does seem to suggest that Garropolo will be a Patriot for the next couple of years (barring a Herschel Walker-esque offer). And we won't be paying two QBs a combined $30+ million a year.

I would put money on the theory that despite what people have said, the Browns not only never offered the #12 pick to the Patriots, they never offered anything more than a bag of footballs for him. Clearly the Patriots value having a good backup for Tom this year, and rightfully so.