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  1. yukon cornelius

    yukon cornelius Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

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    but I think I like him a little more this morning after his 'karma' routine

    i'm not fully sure he gets exactly what karma is in terms of a metaphysical paradigm, but it did make me chuckle
     
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    This is what made me smile...

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    chasa Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    should be a bunch of suspensions coming out of that game.
     
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    Yeah, I was stunned at the level of infractions, especially of the "personal foul" type.
     
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    bresna PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Why is this being called a dirty play? It looks like a great block. Standing over him afterward is straight-up taunting, and he got penalized for it. But what is wrong with the block?
     
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    SalemPats Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Led with his helmet and the penalty was for taunting
     
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    Prohibiting this exact type of act is a "point of emphasis" for the NFL in 2017: 2017 Rules Changes and Points of Emphasis | NFL Football Operations

    One category of defenseless player:
    Prohibited acts on a defenseless player:
    So what Ju Ju did was textbook unnecessary roughness. Kind of strange you think it was clean, actually.
     
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    PATSYLICIOUS Pro Bowl Player

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    Don’t like him personally but think he’s the best wr in the game. Gotta wonder when he’ll start to slow down though, he has been used a lot. Welker was a workhorse here for 6 great years then slowed down considerably after a few headshots from Peyton ‘s ducks. Brown has taken his share of big shots
     
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    That was a helmet to helmet hit and it knocked Burfict unconcious. Burfict's no saint but you don't want to see that happen to any player. What's worse is Ju Ju actual stood over Burifct when he was down. Even Sean McDonough said it was "disgusting".
     
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    Pats1989 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

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    This. Personally, I think he would break the 07 records if he were with Brady.
     
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    Both of those two teams have moments when they are out of control.
     
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    chasa Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    I'm no antonio brown fan.

    that's all.
     
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    The play was still live. Burfict was lining up Bell for a tackle. What was Schuster supposed to do there? Let him go? Do you think Schuster should have waved him by?

    It also looks like Schuster lead with his shoulder. He definitely turned his body so that his shoulder was in front. The problem started when Burfict lowered his head as he started to go for the tackle.
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    I get that it was brutal hit, but given that Burfict was trying to tackle Schuster's teammate and his job was to prevent that, how else could this particular play have worked out? Schuster literally had to block him.
     
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    resdubwhite In the Starting Line-Up

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    Tomlin covering himself in glory again.
    He shouldn't have stood over him. Is that all coach?
     
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    ForThoseAboutToRock 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

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    Leading with the shoulder against a defenseless player, as I put in bold font in my first response to you, is a violation of the unnecessary roughness rule. Schuster has to do what hundreds of players have to every game - figure out how not to hit a defenseless player in an illegal manner.

    You said "it was a brutal hit" - yes - the NFL also made it an illegal hit as I cited above with the language from the rules.

    It's very unclear why you think Schuster's only available course of action was an illegal hit to block Burfict.
     
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    What other course of action is there? Block or not block, right?

    I asked what you thought Schuster should have done there and "Figure out how not to hit a defenseless player in an illegal manner" is not a realistic answer. Stuff happens on the field in the blink of an eye. You don't have slow motion in real life, "Oh crap, he's not looking, I better not block him". It happens too fast for that.

    Would he have been better off going for his knees? (I'm being sarcastic - not serious!!)
     
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    So your stance is effectively "Schuster put himself in a position to make an illegal play that hundreds of NFL players manage not to make every week, what else could he have done besides make the illegal play?" Schuster should've not done anything you're not allowed to do to a defenseless player. Instead, he both launched at and made contact with the head and neck of the defenseless player.

    A non-complete list of things he could've done:

    1. Block with his arms extended
    2. Not block from an angle where the defender is defenseless
    3. Not launch himself
    4. Not target the head and neck area
    5. Something like this: Chicago Bears wide receiver Brandon Marshall can block too
     
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    It looks like Schuster's feet are on the ground, so I don't see how he "launched" himself.
     
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    Don't rely on the still, check a replay. If Burfict's body hadn't been there to absorb Schuster's upward momentum, he absolutely would've left the ground.
     
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    Watch the replay, his feet did leave the ground slightly.
     

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