I'm no Antonio Brown fan

[yukon cornelius]

but I think I like him a little more this morning after his 'karma' routine

i'm not fully sure he gets exactly what karma is in terms of a metaphysical paradigm, but it did make me chuckle

 

[Kontradiction]

This is what made me smile...

 

[chasa]

should be a bunch of suspensions coming out of that game.

 

[Gwedd]

should be a bunch of suspensions coming out of that game.

Yeah, I was stunned at the level of infractions, especially of the "personal foul" type.

 

[bresna]

Why is this being called a dirty play? It looks like a great block. Standing over him afterward is straight-up taunting, and he got penalized for it. But what is wrong with the block?

 

[SalemPats]

Why is this being called a dirty play? It looks like a great block. Standing over him afterward is straight-up taunting, and he got penalized for it. But what is wrong with the block?

Led with his helmet and the penalty was for taunting

 

[ForThoseAboutToRock]

Why is this being called a dirty play? It looks like a great block. Standing over him afterward is straight-up taunting, and he got penalized for it. But what is wrong with the block?

Prohibiting this exact type of act is a "point of emphasis" for the NFL in 2017: 2017 Rules Changes and Points of Emphasis | NFL Football Operations

One category of defenseless player:

A player who receives a “blindside” block when the path of the offensive blocker is toward or parallel to his own end line.

Prohibited acts on a defenseless player:

1. forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or shoulder, even if the initial contact is lower than the player’s neck, and regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenseless player by encircling or grasping him

...
3. illegally launching into a defenseless opponent. It is an illegal launch if a player (i) leaves both feet prior to contact to spring forward and upward into his opponent, and (ii) uses any part of his helmet to initiate forcible contact against any part of his opponent’s body. (This does not apply to contact against a runner, unless the runner is still considered to be a defenseless player, as defined in Article 7.)

So what Ju Ju did was textbook unnecessary roughness. Kind of strange you think it was clean, actually.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Don’t like him personally but think he’s the best wr in the game. Gotta wonder when he’ll start to slow down though, he has been used a lot. Welker was a workhorse here for 6 great years then slowed down considerably after a few headshots from Peyton ‘s ducks. Brown has taken his share of big shots

 

[qbno12]

That was a helmet to helmet hit and it knocked Burfict unconcious. Burfict's no saint but you don't want to see that happen to any player. What's worse is Ju Ju actual stood over Burifct when he was down. Even Sean McDonough said it was "disgusting".

 

[Pats1989]

Don’t like him personally but think he’s the best wr in the game. Gotta wonder when he’ll start to slow down though, he has been used a lot. Welker was a workhorse here for 6 great years then slowed down considerably after a few headshots from Peyton ‘s ducks. Brown has taken his share of big shots

This. Personally, I think he would break the 07 records if he were with Brady.

 

[SammyBlueCat]

Both of those two teams have moments when they are out of control.

 

[chasa]

I'm no antonio brown fan.

that's all.

 

[bresna]

So what Ju Ju did was textbook unnecessary roughness. Kind of strange you think it was clean, actually.

The play was still live. Burfict was lining up Bell for a tackle. What was Schuster supposed to do there? Let him go? Do you think Schuster should have waved him by?

It also looks like Schuster lead with his shoulder. He definitely turned his body so that his shoulder was in front. The problem started when Burfict lowered his head as he started to go for the tackle.

I get that it was brutal hit, but given that Burfict was trying to tackle Schuster's teammate and his job was to prevent that, how else could this particular play have worked out? Schuster literally had to block him.

 

[resdubwhite]

Tomlin covering himself in glory again.
He shouldn't have stood over him. Is that all coach?

 

[ForThoseAboutToRock]

The play was still live. Burfict was lining up Bell for a tackle. What was Schuster supposed to do there? Let him go? Do you think Schuster should have waved him by?

It also looks like Schuster lead with his shoulder. He definitely turned his body so that his shoulder was in front. The problem started when Burfict lowered his head as he started to go for the tackle.

I get that it was brutal hit, but given that Burfict was trying to tackle Schuster's teammate and his job was to prevent that, how else could this particular play have worked out? Schuster literally had to block him.

Leading with the shoulder against a defenseless player, as I put in bold font in my first response to you, is a violation of the unnecessary roughness rule. Schuster has to do what hundreds of players have to every game - figure out how not to hit a defenseless player in an illegal manner.

You said "it was a brutal hit" - yes - the NFL also made it an illegal hit as I cited above with the language from the rules.

It's very unclear why you think Schuster's only available course of action was an illegal hit to block Burfict.

 

[bresna]

It's very unclear why you think Schuster's only available course of action was an illegal hit to block Burfict.

What other course of action is there? Block or not block, right?

I asked what you thought Schuster should have done there and "Figure out how not to hit a defenseless player in an illegal manner" is not a realistic answer. Stuff happens on the field in the blink of an eye. You don't have slow motion in real life, "Oh crap, he's not looking, I better not block him". It happens too fast for that.

Would he have been better off going for his knees? (I'm being sarcastic - not serious!!)

 

[ForThoseAboutToRock]

What other course of action is there? Block or not block, right?

I asked what you thought Schuster should have done there and "Figure out how not to hit a defenseless player in an illegal manner" is not a realistic answer. Stuff happens on the field in the blink of an eye. You don't have slow motion in real life, "Oh crap, he's not looking, I better not block him". It happens too fast for that.

Would he have been better off going for his knees? (I'm being sarcastic - not serious!!)

So your stance is effectively "Schuster put himself in a position to make an illegal play that hundreds of NFL players manage not to make every week, what else could he have done besides make the illegal play?" Schuster should've not done anything you're not allowed to do to a defenseless player. Instead, he both launched at and made contact with the head and neck of the defenseless player.

A non-complete list of things he could've done:

1. Block with his arms extended
2. Not block from an angle where the defender is defenseless
3. Not launch himself
4. Not target the head and neck area
5. Something like this: Chicago Bears wide receiver Brandon Marshall can block too

 

[The Brandon Five]

So your stance is effectively "Schuster put himself in a position to make an illegal play that hundreds of NFL players manage not to make every week, what else could he have done besides make the illegal play?" Schuster should've not done anything you're not allowed to do to a defenseless player. Instead, he both launched at and made contact with the head and neck of the defenseless player.

A non-complete list of things he could've done:

1. Block with his arms extended
2. Not block from an angle where the defender is defenseless
3. Not launch himself
4. Not target the head and neck area
5. Something like this: Chicago Bears wide receiver Brandon Marshall can block too

It looks like Schuster's feet are on the ground, so I don't see how he "launched" himself.

 

[ForThoseAboutToRock]

It looks like Schuster's feet are on the ground, so I don't see how he "launched" himself.

Don't rely on the still, check a replay. If Burfict's body hadn't been there to absorb Schuster's upward momentum, he absolutely would've left the ground.

 

[Richard Camembert]

It looks like Schuster's feet are on the ground, so I don't see how he "launched" himself.

Watch the replay, his feet did leave the ground slightly.