I'll admit i was wrong - Amendola didn't work

[varjao]

any info on whether he is going to need off season surgery?

 

[Huckleberry1]

Amendola was healthy on both legs last game where he played 42 snaps, Brady only threw to him once which he dropped. Stop using the injury excuse. Also there were a lot of posters calling out this horrible signing back then so stop rewriting history.

Flat out lie. Having a completely torn abductor muscle is far from "healthy."


Feel free to show us your posts objecting-you can't, that's why you want to point to other's objections.

Posters like BrickPat actually did call Amendola fragile and objected, I didn't see a word from you objecting to it. And the person leading the charge against Amendola actually objected to signing Welker because of his age, supported the Amedola signing, and is now claiming they should have kept Welker all along. The hypocrisy in this forum is nothing short of stunning and my bullsh.t meter has been going off non-stop because of it.


The people "re-writing history" are those who wanted Welker gone, wanted Amendola signed, and are now saying they wanted Welker allalong, and that sure as hell isn't me.

 

[Brady6]

Well, supposedly, Amendola is faster and quicker than Welker. If that was true, Amendola would be open (for a pass thrown to him) more often than Welker.

And if Amendola is mostly open, Brady would throw to him.

1 pass in the Broncos game. 1 drop in the Broncos game.

That is a misconception; people look at athletic ability, size and strength and think that if it is better the player is automatically going to be better but they unvalued the intelligence of a player and his ability to make decisions. That slot position is not as simple as just running a 5 yard out pattern as quickly and as agile as possible it is about being smart enough to know when to make the cut, whether to break off a route or comeback to the football, where to stop in a congested area that allows Brady to fit the ball in without it being picked off or knocked down, what moves/direction to go after the catch to pick up the additional yards and where the first down marker is at all times. Welker and Edelman both do those things very well and Amendola does not, I would actually say his decision making is the weakest part of his game so his athletic ability isn’t great enough to compensate for that and I don’t know that it can be taught. I guess the best comparison would be look at Michael Vick his natural athletic ability and arm strength is far superior to Tom Brady’s but his decision making sucks so he was never close to the QB Brady is.

 

[primetime]

I think you fail to see that Edelman has replaced Amendola

I've said this before and I'll say it again - Edelman and Amendola are capable of being on the field at the same time and producing. Neither is a replacement. Look at, for example, the divisional round playoff game.

That is a misconception; people look at athletic ability, size and strength and think that if it is better the player is automatically going to be better but they unvalued the intelligence of a player and his ability to make decisions. That slot position is not as simple as just running a 5 yard out pattern as quickly and as agile as possible it is about being smart enough to know when to make the cut, whether to break off a route or comeback to the football, where to stop in a congested area that allows Brady to fit the ball in without it being picked off or knocked down, what moves/direction to go after the catch to pick up the additional yards and where the first down marker is at all times. Welker and Edelman both do those things very well and Amendola does not, I would actually say his decision making is the weakest part of his game so his athletic ability isn’t great enough to compensate for that and I don’t know that it can be taught. I guess the best comparison would be look at Michael Vick his natural athletic ability and arm strength is far superior to Tom Brady’s but his decision making sucks so he was never close to the QB Brady is.

Amendola played for another team before joining the Patriots. I know not many people watched the Rams play on this board, but are happy to talk about Amendola's play there as if they know what they're talking about, but the truth is that Rams fans were very, very unhappy to see Amendola leave and he was a better player for the Rams than Welker was for the Dolphins.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I've said this before and I'll say it again - Edelman and Amendola are capable of being on the field at the same time and producing. Neither is a replacement. Look at, for example, the divisional round playoff game.



Amendola played for another team before joining the Patriots. I know not many people watched the Rams play on this board, but are happy to talk about Amendola's play there as if they know what they're talking about, but the truth is that Rams fans were very, very unhappy to see Amendola leave and he was a better player for the Rams than Welker was for the Dolphins.

Belichick made it clear on Salk and Holley that Edelman and Amendola play different positions.

 

[JackBauer]

Are you going to post the quotes from you objecting to the Amendola signing when they made it or did i miss them somehow?

maverick only comes out of hibernation when bad things happen to the Patriots so he can blame all of the team's ills on McDaniels. Give him a few more days of *****ing and then we won't see him until around this time next year, unless the Patriots win the Super Bowl.

 

[Brady6]

I've said this before and I'll say it again - Edelman and Amendola are capable of being on the field at the same time and producing. Neither is a replacement. Look at, for example, the divisional round playoff game.

Amendola played for another team before joining the Patriots. I know not many people watched the Rams play on this board, but are happy to talk about Amendola's play there as if they know what they're talking about, but the truth is that Rams fans were very, very unhappy to see Amendola leave and he was a better player for the Rams than Welker was for the Dolphins.

I watched a few of Amendola’s games with the Rams and also watched some tape on him online. As I have said in numerous posts in multiple threads there is nothing wrong with the signing of Danny Amendola other than the fact that we overpaid probably by $2 million per season for his services. Overpaying players is going to happen however especially when you’re looking to replace a major piece of your offense (Welker) in a very poor free agent market for WRs. That said there is a problem amongst posters, fans and even media members that set the expectation that Danny Amendola was going to do what Wes Welker did for this team and put up that type of production. That was a fail and it was because Amendola is a very different player than Welker and Edelman for that matter; Amendola makes plays 5-15 yards up field I have attached his highlight reel from his time with the Rams and if you watch it you will clearly see that he is at least 8 yards down field when he is making the reception.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l69ff9x8ho

Amendola like most receivers plays his matchup and when he can exploit it he does it extremely well but that is not a given week in and week out. Welker and Edelman do most of their work under 5 yards and that relies less on a matchup 1on1 and more on the ability to create space or find an opening in congestion, there is always going to be ways to create space or find an opening in a congested area in each game but you’re not always going to have a favorable match unless you’re a special talent like Gronkowski, Johnson Jr., AJ Green, Julio Jones, etc. which none of Welker, Edelman or Amendola are.

The best way to highlight that is to take a look at Amendola’s receptions that take place behind the line of scrimmage compared to Welker and Edelman

• Welker pass thrown behind line of scrimmage – 23 (2012 with Patriots)
• Edelman pass thrown behind line of scrimmage – 19 (2013 with Patriots)

• Amendola pass thrown behind line of scrimmage – 8 (2012 with Rams)
• Amendola pass thrown behind line of scrimmage – 6 (2013 with Patriots)

Amendola being inconsistent week to week in terms of performance is also nothing new:

2013 season
• Sun 9/8, 10 receptions, 104 yards
• Sun 10/6, 4 receptions, 55 yards
• Sun 10/13, 2 receptions, 0 yards
• Sun 10/27, 3 receptions, 15 yards
• Sun 11/3, 4 receptions, 122 yards
• Mon 11/18, 6 receptions, 45 yards
• Sun 11/24, 3 receptions, 17 yards
• Sun 12/1, 5 receptions, 54 yards
• Sun 12/8, 4 receptions, 36 yards
• Sun 12/15, 10 receptions, 131 yards
• Sun 12/22, 2 receptions, 45 yards
• Sun 12/29, 1 receptions, 9 yards

2012 season
• Sun 9/9, 5 receptions, 70 yards
• Sun 9/16, 15 receptions, 160 yards
• Sun 9/23, 5 receptions, 66 yards
• Sun 9/30, 6 receptions, 55 yards
• Thu 10/4, 1 receptions, 44 yards
• Sun 11/11, 11 receptions, 102 yards
• Sun 11/18, 7 receptions, 41 yards
• Sun 11/25, 1 receptions, 38 yards
• Sun 12/16, 6 receptions, 58 yards
• Sun 12/23, 2 receptions, 5 yards
• Sun 12/30, 4 receptions, 27 yards

2010 season
• Sun 9/12, 6 receptions, 67 yards
• Sun 9/19, 4 receptions, 39 yards
• Sun 9/26, 6 receptions, 56 yards
• Sun 10/3, 5 receptions, 46 yards
• Sun 10/10, 12 receptions, 95 yards
• Sun 10/17, 3 receptions, 19 yards
• Sun 10/24, 3 receptions, 29 yards
• Sun 10/31, 6 receptions, 28 yards
• Sun 11/14, 7 receptions, 51 yards
• Sun 11/21, 8 receptions, 63 yards
• Sun 11/28, 4 receptions, 41 yards
• Sun 12/5, 1 receptions, 17 yards
• Sun 12/12, 3 receptions, 16 yards
• Sun 12/19, 7 receptions, 60 yards
• Sun 12/26, 8 receptions, 53 yards
• Sun 1/2, 2 receptions, 9 yards

Those are his game logs for 2013, 2012 and 2010 (he missed all of 2011 except 1 game) and if you look at them his inconsistent play week-to-week is consistent in all the season.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

, that's why you want to point to other's objections.

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I'm not going to dig through old posts to prove anything to you, I know myself and many here wanted Welker to stay and on a separate note thought the Amendola signing was a bad signing. You go through my old posts, then disappear when your false claims are unconfirmed. You are rewriting history pretending there weren't naysayers a year ago.

I point to others as supporting evidence because emotionally charged people like you go off the rails and ad hominem on me, likely because you can't debate on the points or issues.

 

[Snake Eyes]

He couldn't have been more useless in the title game. I don't know if he's hurt but honestly i don't care. I hold my hands up and admit i was wrong about Amendola being able to mask the Wes loss.

Edelman completely, completely overshadowed and outplayed him in the slot this year and deserves the cash that Danny has.

Amendola was meant to be a complementary piece, with Gronk and the Prisoner being the focal points of the offense.

He also played injured through most of the season, don't be surprised to see him get surgery in the offseason.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...n-welker-about-ego-not-money.html#post3397773

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...d/10/1014233-rams-east-page3.html#post3398122

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...day-before-welker-left-page5.html#post3398910

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...day-before-welker-left-page7.html#post3399002

Since Ivan would rather make things up in his alternate reality

 

[Triumph]

I think it's great that I have my own pet troll. Do you fetch, too?

 

[Brady6]

I'm not going to dig through old posts to prove anything to you, I know myself and many here wanted Welker to stay and on a separate note thought the Amendola signing was a bad signing. You go through my old posts, then disappear when your false claims are unconfirmed. You are rewriting history pretending there weren't naysayers a year ago.

I point to others as supporting evidence because emotionally charged people like you go off the rails and ad hominem on me, likely because you can't debate on the points or issues.

I learned the hard way so I will pass it along – don’t waste your time having a discussion with a poster that posts as if he is sitting in the car with the player or coach in question at that very moment

 

[Kid~Brady]

Funny, i've been thinking this for awhile now. However, decided not to mention it. He's a good player, just not what people thought he would be.

 

[Brady6]

Amendola was meant to be a complementary piece, with Gronk and the Prisoner being the focal points of the offense.



He also played injured through most of the season, don't be surprised to see him get surgery in the offseason.

You don't pay a complimentary piece almost $6 million annually.

 

[Snake Eyes]

You don't pay a complimentary piece almost $6 million annually.

I'm sure if BB paid peanuts to some aging vet like Joey Galloway you'd be complaining on the "Time to get Brady Weapons" thread that he's being cheap and costing TFB a shot at another Lombardi.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

He couldn't have been more useless in the title game. I don't know if he's hurt but honestly i don't care. I hold my hands up and admit i was wrong about Amendola being able to mask the Wes loss.

Edelman completely, completely overshadowed and outplayed him in the slot this year and deserves the cash that Danny has.

I don't think it is fair to criticize Amendola without acknowledging that he played the entire season with a groin injury. This may prove that he is too fragile to be an effective slot receiver over the long haul, but it is not a reflection on his ability or toughness.

(apologies if this was stated in another post, I didn't have time to read the entire thread.)

 

[Brady6]

I'm sure if BB paid peanuts to some aging vet like Joey Galloway you'd be complaining on the "Time to get Brady Weapons" thread that he's being cheap and costing TFB a shot at another Lombardi.

I'm not complaining though I actually opened a thread highlighting all that the team did to provide Brady with weapons. That fact aside I'm not going pretend that the plan all along was to have Edelman who was signed late in free agency to a $750k 1 year contract emerge as the primary target on this team. Call Amendola a complementary piece all you want but he is the 27th highest paid receiver on average in the NFL so if all we wanted was a complementary piece to go with the tight ends we should signed Bess or someone like that because that's a complementary player.

Amendola was brought in to replace Welker let's not manipulate circumstances just to make the season look less like a failure, Edelman was signed to be depth and if you don't believe me I would tell you to look at training camp when Edelman was 5th on the depth chart and then 4th in the preseason. Amendola failed to meet expectations end of story, did he have an awful season no, would I consider him a failure no, I would consider the people expecting him to just channel his inner Welker to 130 receptions this year to be failures however.

 

[Snake Eyes]

I'm not complaining though I actually opened a thread highlighting all that the team did to provide Brady with weapons. That fact aside I'm not going pretend that the plan all along was to have Edelman who was signed late in free agency to a $750k 1 year contract emerge as the primary target on this team. Call Amendola a complementary piece all you want but he is the 27th highest paid receiver on average in the NFL so if all we wanted was a complementary piece to go with the tight ends we should signed Bess or someone like that because that's a complementary player.

Amendola was brought in to replace Welker let's not manipulate circumstances just to make the season look less like a failure, Edelman was signed to be depth and if you don't believe me I would tell you to look at training camp when Edelman was 5th on the depth chart and then 4th in the preseason. Amendola failed to meet expectations end of story, did he have an awful season no, would I consider him a failure no, I would consider the people expecting him to just channel his inner Welker to 130 receptions this year to be failures however.

Amendola was injured! Was signing Gronk and Ahern also a stupid move at the time?

Did BB know that Edelperson was going to break out? I'm sure if he had his 20/20 goggles on he'd have signed Edels to a very modest 5yr deal loaded with incentives.

 

[supafly]

Why people aren't taking the contract into account is beyond me? We can move on after a couple of years. It's not like he made a deal with the devil. One would assume that a guy who cost 3.5m against the cap would have caught more than 4.5 balls per game. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case, likely due to a couple/few different circumstances. One being our ridiculous joke of a WR corps this year. The other being that Edelman received 175 targets from Brady working the short routes that Amendola likely would have been more of a part of. The last one was the injury situation.

The rumors at the time were that Belichick was concerned that he would miss out on both Welker and Amendola, and did not want to take that risk. Amendola was considered to be the next best thing by about everyone.

Julian Edelman had pins in his foot, wasn't drawing any attention from anyone, and had a longterm injury history just the same. I highly doubt that Belichick, or anyone for that matter, felt that Edelman was the longterm answer at the position.

Blame Belichick for letting Welker walk, but I don't think he should be blamed for signing Amendola. We can walk away next year if that's what it comes to. It's not the end of the world.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Why people aren't taking the contract into account is beyond me? We can move on after a couple of years. .

It's because they want to beat their chests and pretend they were right all along when the facts say otherwise, and if they accept the reality that Amendola cannot be released for another season it ends the discussion.