If Brady gets a 5th ring this time do you think he gets 6?

[Froob]

No winning 5 is huge for a lot of reasons

Bill Belichick breaks a record for most Super Bowl wins

Tom Brady becomes a 5X Super Bowl Champion (NFL RECORD FOR A QB)

The New England Patriots become 5X Super Bowl Champions surpassing the Packers and Giants and join the 5 club with the Cowboys and 49ers

Packers have way more though if we aren't arbitrarily not including NFL titles.

 

[Bradyking12]

That's why I HATE the idea of trading Jimmy. Can you imagine if we trade away the next Aaron Rodgers for a bag of balls? One needs to look no further than our own division to see how difficult it is to find an above average QB. When was the last time there was a decent QB in our division not named Brady? Marino or Bledsoe in the 90s? Pennington for a year or two? I realize that it might be a necessity, but it still kills me.

I think if Bill honestly thinks Garopollo can be an above average QB for us for the next 10-12 years he has to keep him, not Brady at the end of next year. I will take 10-12 years of very good QB play over 2-3 years of elite QB play. Assuming you even get that. Brady could start to decline at any moment or suffer an injury. Look at Manning. He was never the same after that neck injury, even with the steroids.

I think if Bill doesn't think Jimmy is that good I am fine with him trading him, holding onto Brady and finding the next QB in the draft. Obviously I trust his judgment more than mine but I am really high on the kid. I do not understand the people who can't wait to flip him for a pick(s). Again, I understand that might be necessary, but it's not something I want to see happen.

I agree, don't want us to suck after Brady

 

[BobDigital]

I think 8 is a reasonable goal.

Even when Brady won his first 3 I thought "He might end with 6" I never considered 7 or 8 a possibility even with such a good early start.

 

[Pessimistic Pete]

Packers have way more though if we aren't arbitrarily not including NFL titles.

His post said nothing about "NFL titles", it mentioned Super Bowls. Nothing arbitrary or odd about that, this is how NFL fans have viewed history forever.

Unless you live in a fantasy world where you believe the Detriot Lions 4 NFL Championships are viewed as equal (or even mentioned) to the New England Patriots 4 Super Bowl Championships.

 

[Joey007]

No winning 5 is huge for a lot of reasons

Bill Belichick breaks a record for most Super Bowl wins

Tom Brady becomes a 5X Super Bowl Champion (NFL RECORD FOR A QB)

The New England Patriots become 5X Super Bowl Champions surpassing the Packers and Giants and join the 5 club with the Cowboys and 49ers

Don't get me wrong it's big, but even more was on the line vs. Seattle.

 

[Pessimistic Pete]

Don't get me wrong it's big, but even more was on the line vs. Seattle.

Yup, 4 was definitely the big one.

Had we lost, Brady would be 3-3 in SBs, "winless since Spygate" (that'd be a huge talking point), no SBs outside the original defense heavy dynasty, "peaked early" winning wise, less SBs than Montana still, etc. etc.

The whole narrative on Brady would be completely different if Malcom Butler doesn't pick that ball off. Instead of worrying about all the above, by winning #4 he was able to cement himself in the GOAT convo with Montana (with most people, including myself of course, going with Brady) and this one makes him the undispusted GOAT.

 

[mosslost]

Honestly if the Patriots go back to the Super Bowl next year.. I think the NFL will be extremely pissed off. Other fans from across the country are so sick of the Patriots winning. For me personally obviously I hope they do get #6 but even if they are the best team in the NFL they still have to stay healthy the whole season and finish strong at the end and into the playoffs. (And first they have to get #5)

I am going to go out on a limb and say the Pats probably won't get ring #6 with Brady. We also don't know when Brady starts to decline.. does it happen next year? Or 4 years from now.. who the hell knows.

If they win 5 this year, they will definitely get number 6. AFC is a dumpster fire so they will have to try not to be in the Super Bowl the next few years.

 

[mosslost]

Other than Brady where are we showing our age? What key player looks to retire soon? We get a first round draft pick again, we have cap space and I'm not convinced the Dolphins will repeat what they did this year with a harder schedule. The Jets and Bills don't seem like they're surging towards challenging us again next year.

Who is going to stop us? The Steelers, Chiefs, Raiders... There's some teams with some outside shots at challenging us next year depending on how they improve - the Titans, Colts, Bengals and Ravens but right now they don't look like realistic contenders.

I think the window for SB berths looks opens for as long as Brady is likely to continue playing.

We have a lot of important free agents though.

 

[mosslost]

That's why I HATE the idea of trading Jimmy. Can you imagine if we trade away the next Aaron Rodgers for a bag of balls? One needs to look no further than our own division to see how difficult it is to find an above average QB. When was the last time there was a decent QB in our division not named Brady? Marino or Bledsoe in the 90s? Pennington for a year or two? I realize that it might be a necessity, but it still kills me.

I think if Bill honestly thinks Garopollo can be an above average QB for us for the next 10-12 years he has to keep him, not Brady at the end of next year. I will take 10-12 years of very good QB play over 2-3 years of elite QB play. Assuming you even get that. Brady could start to decline at any moment or suffer an injury. Look at Manning. He was never the same after that neck injury, even with the steroids.

I think if Bill doesn't think Jimmy is that good I am fine with him trading him, holding onto Brady and finding the next QB in the draft. Obviously I trust his judgment more than mine but I am really high on the kid. I do not understand the people who can't wait to flip him for a pick(s). Again, I understand that might be necessary, but it's not something I want to see happen.

So basically for you it is a simple decision... It is worth keeping JAG for one more season as a back up and lose all compensation for him if Brady does not retire/get injured/ or fall off a cliff. One thing is for sure, if Brady is still playing like he is now you are not moving on from him, no matter what. Another thing is, what if Brady is able to keep playing well for as long as he wants to? What difference does it matter if you win the Super Bowls with Brady or JAG?

People always love to mention Steve Young, and Aaron Rodgers as the examples. Both of those guys only won one Super Bowl.

 

[mosslost]

Jimmy Garopollo's market is as high as it's ever been. That's when you sell - when the market is high. Waiting a year would be very costly as he will have lost almost all trade value (unless you franchise him).

If you read the article on how Tom Brady has improved on every measurable each of the last 3 years, you may not be so willing to ditch your star QB who has every reason to believe that he can play at a very high level for a number of years. I'd rather be on the Tom Brady side of the Jimmy Garopollo/Tom Brady matchups.

Brady is going to break the mold and longevity is going to add to his GOAT status immensely. The AFC is in bad shape and Brady can own it for the most part the rest of his career. I hope he plays until he is 45.

 

[mosslost]

Way too early for that. We will have a ton of free agents. Bennet is probably gone as well as Ryan and possibly Blount. Who knows if Gronk is ever the same again. That's three disc surgeries. Even if he is, he will probably go down at some point next year. Denver and KC probably improve their QB situation. Houston is a decent QB away from being exactly the kind of team that gives us huge problems. Carr will presumably be healthy. Pittsburgh could improve greatly if they got a new head coach. Indy got rid of one of the anchors dragging them down. The heaviest one.

Sure, I expect them to be in the mix. But I also think the AFC will probably get stronger. Who knows what happens next year? We need to at least get to October/November before we have any kind of reasonably educated guess on what is going to happen. Our secondary is covering up a lot of warts on the defensive line. If that secondary becomes weaker I think the DLine immediately becomes a much bigger problem. We could go from one of the better defenses in the league to a disaster. We also need to shore up the OLine. We are solid on the outside but the middles is soft as hell. When those guys get beat it's not by a little. They get destroyed. That's scary considering that our best player is 40. He can talk about "pliability" and nonsense like that all he wants. But at that age your body is more susceptible to injury. That's just a fact.

Let's worry about Atlanta first. That is a good offense. Not really the kind of defense that typically gives the Patriots issues, but a formidable opponent nonetheless. I just want a win next Sunday. I will start worrying about the future when the draft and free agency get here.

>>Sure, I expect them to be in the mix. But I also think the AFC will probably get stronger.

Umm, what? "in the mix".. The AFC is a dumpster fire and Pats will own it next year.

 

[mosslost]

Anyone ever get concerned a "down" year will happen before they hang it up? This thread is all about Super Bowls, but man 14-2 this year.. usually at least 12-4 0r 13-3... I want number 6, but what I would hate to see would be a shockingly bad season like 6-10. Nothing is impossible..

Brady's regular season records in descending order:

16-0
14-2
14-2
14-2
14-2
13-3
12-4
12-4
12-4
12-4
12-4
11-3
10-6
10-6
9-7

 

[Huckleberry1]

Add 2 more so the last 2 fingers aren't left out

That sounds fair.

 

[BobDigital]

Bumping this.

Not theory any more. Brady/BB will get 6. Mark my words!

 

[libra957]

There are really no quaterback left to surpass,however yes, as long as Tom is playing there are superbowls to be won.