If Belichick were smart…

[JohnJH]

He shoukd STFU about the patriots. He is responsibke for the complete absence of offensive talent.
You did this Bill. Clam up

I always have and always will LOVE Bill the HC, but especially his last 6 to 8 years as HC, I loathed Bill the GM.

 

[lancerman]

Bill has gotten rid of players, good and bad all throughout his tenure.

Yes, letting Brady go was a mistake. Drafting Mac was also a mistake. Not giving Bill the power to get rid of Mac was also a mistake.

Letting Brady go was a mistake.

Having a **** offense in 2019 and then only drafting offense three times in the first 3 picks of the next 4 years (3 out of 12 picks) with one of them being Mac Jones who was the 5th QB taken out of need, was ****ing insanity. Not drafting for offense until pick 107 in the 2023 draft was borderline criminal.

Letting the only decent WR we had in Meyers go in 2023 was dumb.

Letting Thuney, Mason and Karras all walk and get longterm contracts in other places was stupid. We lacked depth and we let starters walk.

We all jerked off over having a good defense, but it was all we were prioritizing for years and now that is not enough to overcome how weak we are offensively.

I could go back to the WR circus after we traded Cooks and couldn't replace him and had a rotating circus.

I could go to how the best TE in the league was fed up playing for him and sat out a year and then strongarmed the team to follow Brady.

And maybe not letting Bill trade Mac was a mistake, but Bill also wanted to trade Brady, and that would have been a giant mistake and probably gets him fired sooner. So he really didn't deserve leeway on a QB switch decision, especially after he was the one who burned the 15 overall on that player.

The only good thing Bill did on offense in the last 5 or so years was snag Hunter Henry and that came with whiffing on Jonnu Smith.

So it's really hard for me to watch the games each week, look at people screaming about how bad our offense has been year after year and then people acting like Bill was mistreated. This was his mess. His mess that is still being cleaned up.

 

[Jim Beankie]

you are correct, and thanks for pointing out the mistake... it should be - No Super Bowl winning coach has ever won another lombardi on their second (or third) team... i will fix it to be more clear regarding the intent of the comment

Not true! Brian Flores' dad won 1st with Oakland then switched to his 2nd team LA to win the 2nd one! /s

In all seriousness, though, that's a cool fact. It really is capturing lightning in a bottle and holding it for as long as you can up to this point.

 

[Pape]

Not true! Brian Flores' dad won 1st with Oakland then switched to his 2nd team LA to win the 2nd one! /s

Bravo... that is absolutely genius

In all seriousness, though, that's a cool fact. It really is capturing lightning in a bottle and holding it for as long as you can up to this point.

yes, agreed.

 

[lancerman]

A QB fixes a lot. They make OLs look a lot better, they make receivers look a lot better etc.

We don't really know what we have with this team because we've had **** QBs after **** QBs since Brady left. We haven't even had an 'average' level QB. Cam was terrible. Mac was the worst QB i've ever seen. Zappe was terrible. And now Brissett is also terrible. We have no idea how good our receivers are. Our OL looks a lot worse because Brissett reading NFL defenses is like Stevie Wonder looking at McDonald's drive thru menu.

We saw Tom Brady in 2019. A good chunk of this board and the NFL fanbase was saying he was done.

The line is worse now, the WR's are worse now.

There's a limit to what a QB can do regardless of their talent level.

A Mahomes type would make this offense look a bit more respectable, but he wouldn't make this team a playoff team. He's having issues on a much better offense due to losing some talent. This team is a huge nosedive for any current well performing QB.

Also here's a thing Brissett is terrible. Brissett is on pace to have his worst season where he had any signficant playing time.

 

[vicspats]

I’m thinking we live in a society where an actor or musician can voice their ignorant political views, and a guy that’s been to what 11 out of 40 Super Bowl doesn’t get to voice his opinion? Sounds about right …

 

[vicspats]

Wrong. He wanted to trade Mac and Kraft vetoed him.

Bill wanted to sign Baker.

The one 'impressive' thing Mac did was get the GOAT HC fired.

Yup… crazy but it’s true

 

[Grogan14]

I always have and always will LOVE Bill the HC, but especially his last 6 to 8 years as HC, I loathed Bill the GM.

Unfortunately they are one and the same person

 

[signbabybrady]

Things aren't rough enough around here these days why must everyone insist on tearing down the best years in NFL history too?

Misery wants more misery or something

 

[PatRiot]

Belichick was the greatest here. The rest is just talking and whining.

 

[condon84]

We saw Tom Brady in 2019. A good chunk of this board and the NFL fanbase was saying he was done.

The line is worse now, the WR's are worse now.

There's a limit to what a QB can do regardless of their talent level.

A Mahomes type would make this offense look a bit more respectable, but he wouldn't make this team a playoff team. He's having issues on a much better offense due to losing some talent. This team is a huge nosedive for any current well performing QB.

Also here's a thing Brissett is terrible. Brissett is on pace to have his worst season where he had any signficant playing time.

We went 12-4 in Brady's last year and that was with him being disinterested and one foot out the door. That was a SB quality roster that was thrown away because Brady didn't care. The guy was miserable at that point in his Patriots tenure.

There's a lot a QB can do. The Panthers looked like a college sub division team with Bryce and they plugged in a below average QB in Dalton and they suddenly look like an NFL offense.

Miami looked like a record setting offense with Tua and when he gets hurt they now look like they don't have any weapons at all.

 

[IcyPatriot]

…he’d recuse himself of all analysis offered on the Patriots.

His last five years weren’t great, with the last two in particular being complete dumpster fires. His free agent and drafting results were GM malpractice. Every time he opens his mouth about this team, he’s shining a light on the sorry state he left things in and does him no favors in getting a HC job next season.

I truly believe he still has the coaching chops (so long as he loses the sycophants he’s carried with him over the years). But offering critiques of his former team will do him no fafa

 

[Vindicate]

A QB fixes a lot. They make OLs look a lot better, they make receivers look a lot better etc.

We don't really know what we have with this team because we've had **** QBs after **** QBs since Brady left. We haven't even had an 'average' level QB. Cam was terrible. Mac was the worst QB i've ever seen. Zappe was terrible. And now Brissett is also terrible. We have no idea how good our receivers are. Our OL looks a lot worse because Brissett reading NFL defenses is like Stevie Wonder looking at McDonald's drive thru menu.

You have far more confidence than I do in Baker. We did not have anyone close to Mike Evans and Godwin. Those teams were far from a QB from being good.

 

[Thelonious]

He's in the opinion biz these days, and he's offering opinions. Nothing he has said is blatantly ad hominem or out of line.

As for what he might do going forward. it'd be fun to see him coach again, and I'd root for him to reach the magic number, but I have real doubts whether, push come to shove, any team will be willing to hire him, particularly on the terms he is likely to demand. If I'm wrong, that's fine with me.

The team was right (and at least a year late) in deciding to fire him, but I don't bear him any ill will, and he was great here for so long as he was great.

 

[lancerman]

We went 12-4 in Brady's last year and that was with him being disinterested and one foot out the door. That was a SB quality roster that was thrown away because Brady didn't care. The guy was miserable at that point in his Patriots tenure.

There's a lot a QB can do. The Panthers looked like a college sub division team with Bryce and they plugged in a below average QB in Dalton and they suddenly look like an NFL offense.

Miami looked like a record setting offense with Tua and when he gets hurt they now look like they don't have any weapons at all.

The odds of you geting Tom Brady to drag a piece of **** roster to 12 wins is less than 1%. Every year there are 3-4 teams trying a new QB. Maybe once every 10 years a guy in the same realm as Brady shows up. And it was apparent to everyone that year that the Patriots were going nowhere in the playoffs and this whole place was ****ting all over him for not caring and supposedly being the problem. We later found out that Brady was capable of winning Super Bowl's and having MVP caliber years.

The team is currently worse and you are highly unlikely to get anyone near Tom Brady.

Patrick Mahomes could maybe with some luck get this team into the playoffs.

Who else in the league currently can you say that for?

 

[vicspats]

He's in the opinion biz these days, and he's offering opinions. Nothing he has said is blatantly ad hominem or out of line.

As for what he might do going forward. it'd be fun to see him coach again, and I'd root for him to reach the magic number, but I have real doubts whether, push come to shove, any team will be willing to hire him, particularly on the terms he is likely to demand. If I'm wrong, that's fine with me.

The team was right (and at least a year late) in deciding to fire him, but I don't bear him any ill will, and he was great here for so long as he was great.

Honestly nice to see you post that. I’ve felt before you where pretty hard on Billy…he deserves his props and credit, thumbs up !!!

 

[Steve102]

@lancerman Where's that meme again?

 

[lancerman]

@lancerman Where's that meme again?

 

[Steve102]

 

[Brick27]

Can understand the take this season since it’s less than a year removed from Bill, but curious how many seasons will have to elapse before he is no longer blamed for the state of the team.

If they somehow start to middle out I assume he will get the credit for this year being better than expected