If Belichick were smart…

[TheRainMaker]

BB has history working against him.

While other coaches have done well on second or third teams, no coach has ever won the Lombardi on a second team.

maybe he can do it. maybe he can't. will be interesting to see if any contenders are willing to pony up an offer for him at this point...

My caveat is it has to be a contender with a QB.

If the Bills crash and burn again in the playoffs, that is my #1 pick for must watch TV.

Cowboys are my 2nd choice.

 

[Pape]

My caveat is it has to be a contender with a QB.

 

[lancerman]

Belichick can say whatever he wants. That said, he's not absolved from criticism. If he wants to talk about the Patriots, he has to deal with the fact that he had total control and the majority of this piece of **** roster was built by him and it got him fired.

 

[sb1]

no coach has ever won the Lombardi on a second team.

The Pats were Bill's second team as HC...

 

[Pape]

The Pats were Bill's second team as HC...

you are correct, and thanks for pointing out the mistake... it should be - No Super Bowl winning coach has ever won another lombardi on their second (or third) team... i will fix it to be more clear regarding the intent of the comment

 

[borg]

Can't get enough of Bill.
Extreme pettiness
Next level passive aggressive trolling............Let it fly

 

[borg]

The Pats were Bill's second team as HC...

 

[condon84]

Belichick can say whatever he wants. That said, he's not absolved from criticism. If he wants to talk about the Patriots, he has to deal with the fact that he had total control and the majority of this piece of **** roster was built by him and it got him fired.

Wrong. He wanted to trade Mac and Kraft vetoed him.

Bill wanted to sign Baker.

The one 'impressive' thing Mac did was get the GOAT HC fired.

 

[lancerman]

Wrong. He wanted to trade Mac and Kraft vetoed him.

Bill wanted to sign Baker.

The one 'impressive' thing Mac did was get the GOAT HC fired.

Okay he had most of the control. He picked Mac Jones to be on the team. He wasn't allowed to cut bait in what was effectively a prove it year for both of them.

This team construction is on Bill Belichick.

 

[sb1]

Wrong. He wanted to trade Mac and Kraft vetoed him.

Bill wanted to sign Baker.

The one 'impressive' thing Mac did was get the GOAT HC fired.

There was no tangible report that confirmed Bill wanted to trade Jones. And if he did all the more reason why his firing was justified.

 

[upstater1]

…he’d recuse himself of all analysis offered on the Patriots.

His last five years weren’t great, with the last two in particular being complete dumpster fires. His free agent and drafting results were GM malpractice. Every time he opens his mouth about this team, he’s shining a light on the sorry state he left things in and does him no favors in getting a HC job next season.

I truly believe he still has the coaching chops (so long as he loses the sycophants he’s carried with him over the years). But offering critiques of his former team will do him no favors.

Nonsense.

Patriot fans have absolutely no patience for anything but winning. 20 years of being spoiled. Teams cycle. And 5 years ago they went 10-1, then had a host of injuries on the OL, Marshall Newhouse as a starter, lost 3 receivers, and limped into the playoffs. If not for the coaching, that wouldn't have happened.

Free agent results were malpractice?

If that's true, why did we retain almost all his free agents? From Bourne to Henry to Peppers and Judon, we brought a lot of players in.

What didn't we have? a good QB.

And that's the story in the NFL that even the greatest coach will never overcome.

 

[condon84]

There was no tangible report that confirmed Bill wanted to trade Jones. And if he did all the more reason why his firing was justified.

Bill has gotten rid of players, good and bad all throughout his tenure.

Yes, letting Brady go was a mistake. Drafting Mac was also a mistake. Not giving Bill the power to get rid of Mac was also a mistake.

 

[condon84]

Okay he had most of the control. He picked Mac Jones to be on the team. He wasn't allowed to cut bait in what was effectively a prove it year for both of them.

This team construction is on Bill Belichick.

Mac is not an NFL QB. Bill saw it as much and everyone else sees it beside @archstanton543. Getting rid of him was the right move then and it is now. Forcing Bill to keep Mac on the roster was basically a '**** you' to him by Kraft who seemed hell bent on getting rid of Bill after the Brady fiasco.

 

[Pape]

Can't get enough of Bill.
Extreme pettiness
Next level passive aggressive trolling............Let it fly

 

[upstater1]

Okay he had most of the control. He picked Mac Jones to be on the team. He wasn't allowed to cut bait in what was effectively a prove it year for both of them.

This team construction is on Bill Belichick.

You need to have patience.

The defense was a wreck in 2021 when all the vets got old. It needed top to bottom rehaul. This is typical in the NFL.

As for Mac Jones, I'm not convinced he wanted him in the draft, given the peculiar question he asked the room right before picking him.

Callahan wrote that Belichick preferred to go a different route in that draft.

I suspect it's going to become perfectly clear what happened in these last 4 drafts soon. Belichick was asked to collaborate, Wolf was brought on. This year's draft did not depart much from what has been going on.

Oh, and the drafts of the last 4 yrs were not disastrous. They've averaged 3 good starters per year, which is what you need in the NFL.

 

[Vindicate]

Wrong. He wanted to trade Mac and Kraft vetoed him.

Bill wanted to sign Baker.

The one 'impressive' thing Mac did was get the GOAT HC fired.

The thing is, unfortunately, I don't know if things would be much different had Mac been traded earlier. We'd still be with a garbage OL, the receivers were superbly bad until this year and even then...

The issue of this team isn't just a QB. If it was, this team would be far less cautious in playing Maye sooner than later.

I love Bill and still think he's the GOAT, but he definitely let too many things unravel. Even if we traded Mac, we'd still deal with the Matty P/Joe Judge **** (which was, imo, easily his most fireable mistake. Good God, I still don't understand how the GOAT thought that'd work), it was just too many changes for him coming at once. He had ample time to prep for the brain drain but his penchant for comfortable coworkers bit him in the ass.

I'm all for blaming Kraft for things, but even if this were true, it wouldn't have mattered.

 

[upstater1]

There was no tangible report that confirmed Bill wanted to trade Jones. And if he did all the more reason why his firing was justified.

What the heck is a tangible report?

It was in the news. Heck, we learned Belichick preferred a 3rd or 4th round QB over Mac the year we took him.

Why would you want to fire a coach for making the RIGHT assessment?

 

[upstater1]

The thing is, unfortunately, I don't know if things would be much different had Mac been traded earlier. We'd still be with a garbage OL, the receivers were superbly bad until this year and even then...

The issue of this team isn't just a QB. If it was, this team would be far less cautious in playing Maye sooner than later.

I love Bill and still think he's the GOAT, but he definitely let too many things unravel. Even if we traded Mac, we'd still deal with the Matty P/Joe Judge **** (which was, imo, easily his most fireable mistake. Good God, I still don't understand how the GOAT thought that'd work), it was just too many changes for him coming at once. He had ample time to prep for the brain drain but his penchant for comfortable coworkers bit him in the ass.

I'm all for blaming Kraft for things, but even if this were true, it wouldn't have mattered.

This argument is a little weird but I feel strongly having Mayfield here would have allowed the team to make the playoffs.

I'm not saying that would have lead anywhere because Baker is not that great.

But if we're saying keeping Mayfield would have prevented us from landing Maye, it's a bit of a weird argument.

That's like saying, Thank god we hired Patricia to be OC, because if we hadn't, we never would have landed Maye!

 

[Triumph]

BB will have an NFL HC job for next season.

He may even be hired before this season has concluded. If he says negative things about the current Pats hes likely giving the watered down version. Players freelancing and padding stats tells me that this Pats culture is a circus and players want out.

 

[condon84]

The thing is, unfortunately, I don't know if things would be much different had Mac been traded earlier. We'd still be with a garbage OL, the receivers were superbly bad until this year and even then...

The issue of this team isn't just a QB. If it was, this team would be far less cautious in playing Maye sooner than later.

I love Bill and still think he's the GOAT, but he definitely let too many things unravel. Even if we traded Mac, we'd still deal with the Matty P/Joe Judge **** (which was, imo, easily his most fireable mistake. Good God, I still don't understand how the GOAT thought that'd work), it was just too many changes for him coming at once. He had ample time to prep for the brain drain but his penchant for comfortable coworkers bit him in the ass.

I'm all for blaming Kraft for things, but even if this were true, it wouldn't have mattered.

A QB fixes a lot. They make OLs look a lot better, they make receivers look a lot better etc.

We don't really know what we have with this team because we've had **** QBs after **** QBs since Brady left. We haven't even had an 'average' level QB. Cam was terrible. Mac was the worst QB i've ever seen. Zappe was terrible. And now Brissett is also terrible. We have no idea how good our receivers are. Our OL looks a lot worse because Brissett reading NFL defenses is like Stevie Wonder looking at McDonald's drive thru menu.