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I am old enough to remember when the transistor radio was high technology. A time when my first computer was a $2500 Apple 2c that could hold about 2 floppy discs worth of data before it froze up. So when I lost my wifi connection for the last 2 weeks, one would have thought that I wouldn't go through such severe internet withdrawal symptoms.

The loss not only affected me, but all the people around me who had to deal with a rabid Pat's fan who didn't have any other outlet to vent his observations and except to them. ......And to have all this coincide with a 2 game losing streak only made matters worse.

Needless to say there are a lot of people around me that are thrilled that I have been reunited with the internet.....and the Pats won. Pardon me if any of my observations are redundant.

1. I couldn't help be reminded of a game the Pats had against a very good Rams team back in 2003 or 4. It was another time when they came into a game,on the road, with a horrible injury situation on defense. One that necessitated the use of Troy Brown as the nickle back. It was another game where it was very hard to predict a win based on so many bad match ups due to the injuries. Once again, like vs the Rams, the Pats not only won the game, they won it convincingly.

2. With 7 games to go, this wasn't a game that assures the Pats anything except the right to control our own destiny within the division, But what was important about this game was that it was a "character win". It was game that the 2009 team would have surely lost, and gives me that warm feeling that THIS team has the character to over come adversity, which bodes well for the post season

3. In General the defense IS getting better. It has more than held its own vs 2 good offensive teams (Dallas and the Giants). Granted its certainly not a "championship" quality defense by any means, but collectively they have done enough to get enough 3rd down stops that should ensure wins on days where the the offense is just slightly better than average.

The fact that they held the Jets to 14 pts with 5 guys playing significant minutes who one wouldn't think would be playing this season was astounding. Some of that MIGHT be attributed to the Jets' ineptness on offense, but not all of it.

4. Even with all the new injuries its hard to believe that the Pats will lose more than 2 of the next 7 games. That SHOULD be enough for the Pats to get one of the 2 byes. At the same time the defense should get a big boost with McCourty, Spikes, Fletcher, and Chung all coming back over the next month or so.

5. A couple of quick thoughts on the Giants game - I don't think I have EVER seen a worse oass interference call in all my years than the one they call on Brown. Not that the refs made a bad call, it was just so BADLY played by Brown. Clearly the ONLY reason he is still with the team is his special teams play, because he has NO business EVER being in the secondary playing an NFL offense.

6. I thought that the Giants game was Barrett's finest hour....until he got hurt....again.

7. For all the noise about the Giant's pass rush, I thought that Eli got hit much more than Brady did.

8. Probably the most enjoyable part of the Pats win over the Jets was listening to Felger tap dance around his position that the Jets' methodology of building a team was superior to the way the Pats do it. Listening to him admitting that he had to find a new team to compare the Patriot Way to, was music to these tired ears.

9. A bigger highlight on the pick 6 by Nnkovitch than the pick itself, was White decleating Keller coming off the line. It was THAT play that allowed Ninko to then jump the RB coming out of the backfield. It was a perfect example of the BB refrain of "Do Your Job". If White didn't do his job, Ninko couldn't have made that play. And he must have done it quite a bit, since Keller was non factor most of this game.

10. Jet fans have to be dying this week. If they couldn't beat a depleted Pats team in NJ, when they seemingly had EVERY advantage, when will they. Collingsworth mentioned how hyped up and focused the Jets were when he visited Jets practice, and compared it to how understated the Pats were that week. It was sweet.

11. It could be that the Jets window of opportunity is closing. Its becoming increasingly clear that Sanchez is what he is. An average NFL QB. A 55% completion rate passer, who can make big plays, but can also cost you a game with a series of bad throws.

With the right team, he can take a real good team deep into the playoffs as he's shown, but the Jets of the next few years don't look to be that kind of team. While their DL has some young talent, their LB corp (except for Harris) is over paid and under performing and is likely to be completely revamped. Their secondary is anchored by their CBs and they have 3 good ones, but their S's are average, and teams are catching up to Rex's schemes.

On the offensive side their OL has deteriorated, their running game is just average, and next year's WR situation isn't going to improve.

10-6 isn't a given for this team and 10-6 isn't a lock for a wildcard berth this year.

12. It was a real tough break for the Texans to lose Schaub for the season. They looked like the best team in the AFC until that injury. They will likely still win the division with ease , and still will be a threat to get one of the byes. They have the best D in the league, statistically, so Lienhart won't be required to do more than "manage" the game. It is a great opportunity for him to revive his career.

13. After the Dallas, Steeler, and Giants game there could be a legitimate case made that there was a blueprint to stop the Pats offense. I think the Jets game showed that that that premise was a bit overstated.

The Jets game showed that when the Pats executed their offense better, they can move the ball against the so called blueprint defenses. Also as the Pats continue to see the tight man to man underneath coverages, the better they will be prepared to attack them.

14. I am somewhat ashamed that I am taking so much enjoyment from the implosion of the Colts this season. I only wish Manning had been playing, because even if he was in the lineup, the Colts would have had only 2 or 3 more wins at this point.

I just have to wonder what would be worth more. Trading the #1 pick or trading Manning himself.

Nice to be back. Unhappy that I will have to wait until next Monday before I can watch another game.
 
I am old enough to remember when the transistor radio was high technology. A time when my first computer was a $2500 Apple 2c that could hold about 2 floppy discs worth of data before it froze up. So when I lost my wifi connection for the last 2 weeks, one would have thought that I wouldn't go through such severe internet withdrawal symptoms.

The loss not only affected me, but all the people around me who had to deal with a rabid Pat's fan who didn't have any other outlet to vent his observations and except to them. ......And to have all this coincide with a 2 game losing streak only made matters worse.

Haven't read your full post yet, but ...not a coincidence at all! This explains everything! Welcome back .. now to read all your points ...
 
Nice to have Ken's idle thoughts back. I smiled when I saw the thread on the list.

You mentioned pass interference. I don't understand how the refs call PI. In a Pats game earlier in the season (can't remember the game!) two Pats DBs are in the end zone with a receiver. The ball is underthrown and the receiver comes back to the ball. A Pats DB is in his way and so gets called for defensive PI. In the game against the Jets, Brady throws a ball that is a bit short and Hernandez has to come back for it. The Jets DB is in the way but no DPI is called. Why can't the zebras be consistent on this?
 
Welcome back PFK, I had an idle thought that i hadn't seen any of your threads. 2 weeks with no internet...that's harsh.
 
Nice to have Ken's idle thoughts back. I smiled when I saw the thread on the list.

You mentioned pass interference. I don't understand how the refs call PI. In a Pats game earlier in the season (can't remember the game!) two Pats DBs are in the end zone with a receiver. The ball is underthrown and the receiver comes back to the ball. A Pats DB is in his way and so gets called for defensive PI. In the game against the Jets, Brady throws a ball that is a bit short and Hernandez has to come back for it. The Jets DB is in the way but no DPI is called. Why can't the zebras be consistent on this?

Not that the refs aren't maddeningly inconsistent, but the difference in the instances you cite are established position. In one case the DB was established (or stopped) in front of him, and had he come back into or through him he'd have been called for OPI. In the other our DB was still in chase mode playing the receiver and not the ball and when the receiver attempted to stop and establish himself our DB impeded him by running into him. Our player needed to know that you only chase 'em so far...the intended WR was headed for out of bounds unless he stopped so our DB needed to have pulled up and been looking for that ball. I believe the comment was made at the time that some of our DB's being primarily ST guys have a different mindset (running into or through your guy on ST is a good thing) and have to learn to shed that mindset to play the position they're being asked to on defense.
 
1. I couldn't help be reminded of a game the Pats had against a very good Rams team back in 2003 or 4. It was another time when they came into a game,on the road, with a horrible injury situation on defense. One that necessitated the use of Troy Brown as the nickle back. It was another game where it was very hard to predict a win based on so many bad match ups due to the injuries. Once again, like vs the Rams, the Pats not only won the game, they won it convincingly.

No one is happier that you got your internet groove back than us, Ken!

BTW, the Rams 2004 game came immediately to my mind also a few minutes after the game!:

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Post #1877 11:34 pm 11/13/2011 Patriots-Jets game thread:

"How the HELL did the Pats hang in there tonight with the personnel they had on defense???????????????????????????????????

That's just bat- **** crazy.

Reminds me of the 2004 win in St. Louis with Troy Brown, Truman Capote and Ethel Merman playing cornerback."
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Aren't THOSE kind of games the most fun? When you scratch your head and wonder "What the hell is BB doing?" and then he blows away the opponent with a 22 mph eephus pitch that leaves the opponents' fans screaming for their jobs.
 
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I bet if Guyton plays, the Jets game looks much different. White seems to bring a physicality to the game that maybe Guyton can't. I wonder if we will see more White and Terapin (sp) on passing downs and much less of Guyton, who IMO has been a waste of a roster spot this season.
 
Welcome Ken. Missed your idle thoughts for the last few weeks.

but dude, you claim you are old enough to remember computers with floppy disks but then have no cable in the home to connect to the internet when the wireless goes down?? tch tch tch...

Or is it a ploy to be away from this board as Andy did?
 
Ken, glad you're back on line. Always enjoy your musings here.
 
Not that the refs aren't maddeningly inconsistent, but the difference in the instances you cite are established position. In one case the DB was established (or stopped) in front of him, and had he come back into or through him he'd have been called for OPI. In the other our DB was still in chase mode playing the receiver and not the ball and when the receiver attempted to stop and establish himself our DB impeded him by running into him. Our player needed to know that you only chase 'em so far...the intended WR was headed for out of bounds unless he stopped so our DB needed to have pulled up and been looking for that ball. I believe the comment was made at the time that some of our DB's being primarily ST guys have a different mindset (running into or through your guy on ST is a good thing) and have to learn to shed that mindset to play the position they're being asked to on defense.

Heh. That football mindset combined with somewhat ******ed athletic ability was the reason that for years guys hated playing basketball with me until light dawned on Marblehead.
 
1. I couldn't help be reminded of a game the Pats had against a very good Rams team back in 2003 or 4. It was another time when they came into a game,on the road, with a horrible injury situation on defense. One that necessitated the use of Troy Brown as the nickle back. It was another game where it was very hard to predict a win based on so many bad match ups due to the injuries. Once again, like vs the Rams, the Pats not only won the game, they won it convincingly.

Is that the game that Vinatieri threw a touchdown pass to Troy Brown?
 
I was going to start my own thread, but I figure I will just tack onto this thread with some thoughts:

1.) I have been listening to NY radio and reading Jets message boards this week and it is shocking how many media people, fans, and Jets players actually believe that the Jets outplayed the Patriots on Sunday night and if it wasn't for three or four "unlucky" plays. Do they realize the Pats won by 3 TDs and the Pats pretty much dominated most of the second half?

2.) I think the last seven games is the best medicine for this defense. We won't get a good barometer where the defense really is because of the poor offenses they face, but confidence and continuity have a lot to do with any team's defensive success. The Pats have a lot of opportunities to work on both over the next two months.

3.) I agree with the orginal poster about most of his posts. One in particular I want to expand is Felger. I like him, but he cannot give up on his themes. The Jets fall into two of his favorites - The Jets own you and the cap is crap. Both are no longer true. The Pats have the head to head battle in the Rex Ryan era and as Skip Bayless pointed out (and boy I hate quoting Bayless other than to ridicule him) the Pats seem to have the Jets' number and the playoff game last year looks like a fluke. Also, the Jets let several key components from last year go because of money and they are seriously missing them now from Braylon Edwards (they lost their deep threat) to Damien Woody (although he may not have helped them, but his contribution is missed on the line) to Shaun Ellis (not a great player anymore, but there is definitely something missing on their d-line now).

4.) It is funny that when Jets fans want to ridicule Belichick's drafting and praise Tannenbaum's, they always point to Sanchez as an example of Tannenbaum's genius. Really?!? He was a fifth overall selection and he is a middle of the pack QB who cannot be anything more than a game manager. Also, I think Schottenheimer gets a bad wrap from Jets fans. He is not a great OC, but he has a QB with serious limitations who shows that when you take the reigns off of him for more than a drive or two that he falls apart.

5.) I agree with Ken about the defense. I have been saying for weeks that this defense is getting better. Everyone focused on the last two drives in the Giants game where the Pats failed after losing Spikes, Chung, Barrett, and Guyton; but ignore the defense held up very well against a top QB in the league.

This is part of the reason why I never jumped off the bandwagon after two losses. I knew the offense would correct itself and I was encouraged by the clear progression of the defense.

6.) On defensive player not getting nearly enough credit is Brandon Deaderick. Since he has been back, the pass rush has been much improved. The Pats pressured Eli Manning 21 times. They pressured Roethlisburger a lot. We all saw how the defense were all over Sanchez. Carter and Anderson got all the credit this past Sunday, but Deaderick definitely had something to do with it too.

7.) I also agree with Ken about the blueprint crap. Such media created BS. The Jets know the "blueprint" as well as anyone and has most of the tools to execute it, but couldn't. The Pats' offense has weaknesses just like every offense including the Packers. A very good or great defense has an opportunity to exploit those weaknesses. That is the only way that this whole blueprint stuff has any relevance.
 
I was going to start my own thread, but I figure I will just tack onto this thread with some thoughts:

1.) I have been listening to NY radio and reading Jets message boards this week and it is shocking how many media people, fans, and Jets players actually believe that the Jets outplayed the Patriots on Sunday night and if it wasn't for three or four "unlucky" plays. Do they realize the Pats won by 3 TDs and the Pats pretty much dominated most of the second half?

2.) I think the last seven games is the best medicine for this defense. We won't get a good barometer where the defense really is because of the poor offenses they face, but confidence and continuity have a lot to do with any team's defensive success. The Pats have a lot of opportunities to work on both over the next two months.

3.) I agree with the orginal poster about most of his posts. One in particular I want to expand is Felger. I like him, but he cannot give up on his themes. The Jets fall into two of his favorites - The Jets own you and the cap is crap. Both are no longer true. The Pats have the head to head battle in the Rex Ryan era and as Skip Bayless pointed out (and boy I hate quoting Bayless other than to ridicule him) the Pats seem to have the Jets' number and the playoff game last year looks like a fluke. Also, the Jets let several key components from last year go because of money and they are seriously missing them now from Braylon Edwards (they lost their deep threat) to Damien Woody (although he may not have helped them, but his contribution is missed on the line) to Shaun Ellis (not a great player anymore, but there is definitely something missing on their d-line now).

4.) It is funny that when Jets fans want to ridicule Belichick's drafting and praise Tannenbaum's, they always point to Sanchez as an example of Tannenbaum's genius. Really?!? He was a fifth overall selection and he is a middle of the pack QB who cannot be anything more than a game manager. Also, I think Schottenheimer gets a bad wrap from Jets fans. He is not a great OC, but he has a QB with serious limitations who shows that when you take the reigns off of him for more than a drive or two that he falls apart.

5.) I agree with Ken about the defense. I have been saying for weeks that this defense is getting better. Everyone focused on the last two drives in the Giants game where the Pats failed after losing Spikes, Chung, Barrett, and Guyton; but ignore the defense held up very well against a top QB in the league.

This is part of the reason why I never jumped off the bandwagon after two losses. I knew the offense would correct itself and I was encouraged by the clear progression of the defense.

6.) On defensive player not getting nearly enough credit is Brandon Deaderick. Since he has been back, the pass rush has been much improved. The Pats pressured Eli Manning 21 times. They pressured Roethlisburger a lot. We all saw how the defense were all over Sanchez. Carter and Anderson got all the credit this past Sunday, but Deaderick definitely had something to do with it too.

7.) I also agree with Ken about the blueprint crap. Such media created BS. The Jets know the "blueprint" as well as anyone and has most of the tools to execute it, but couldn't. The Pats' offense has weaknesses just like every offense including the Packers. A very good or great defense has an opportunity to exploit those weaknesses. That is the only way that this whole blueprint stuff has any relevance.

Rob

Nice job lighting them up on JetInsider.

If the "blueprint" has any relavence, the Wildcat would still be success.

People don't understand the difference between gimmicks and universal concepts. Elite QB play is universal. Getting pressure with four is universal. Turnovers are universal.

The other problem is the media (and alot of patsfans.com) fixate on a supposed truth and then torture the facts to meet that truth. How else can two playoff loses get blamed on a defense when 6 of 9 drives start in FG range?
 
11. It could be that the Jets window of opportunity is closing. Its becoming increasingly clear that Sanchez is what he is. An average NFL QB. A 55% completion rate passer, who can make big plays, but can also cost you a game with a series of bad throws.

The JEST window isn't closing.

It never opened to begin with, and won't until Sancheese improves or is shown the door.
 
7. For all the noise about the Giant's pass rush, I thought that Eli got hit much more than Brady did.

Don't remember the exact #'s but IIRC the Patriots had twice as many pressures as the Giants.

9. A bigger highlight on the pick 6 by Nnkovitch than the pick itself, was White decleating Keller coming off the line.

That's why I always chuckle when people worry about Keller in the pregame discussions. The guy is Charmin soft, and probably the most overrated Jets player.

The Jets game showed that when the Pats executed their offense better, they can move the ball against the so called blueprint defenses.

I don't know about that. The difference is that those teams can bring pretty consistent pressure with 4 rushers. Whereas the Jets pass rush is probably worse than ours (and ours seems to be improving!).
 
I am old enough to remember when the transistor radio was high technology. A time when my first computer was a $2500 Apple 2c that could hold about 2 floppy discs worth of data before it froze up. So when I lost my wifi connection for the last 2 weeks, one would have thought that I wouldn't go through such severe internet withdrawal symptoms.

The loss not only affected me, but all the people around me who had to deal with a rabid Pat's fan who didn't have any other outlet to vent his observations and except to them. ......And to have all this coincide with a 2 game losing streak only made matters worse.
Actually you should probably consider yourself to be very fortunate to not have access to this message board during that time period.



Welcome back ... nice post.
 
Your assessment of the Jets is spot on, Brady pretty much took apart the secondary.. Welker was somewhat neutralized, but Brady was able to find the seams or the soft spots..

Think that the Jets window is getting smaller, Rexy can bloviate all he wants to... but in the past couple of weeks has done less, perhaps reality is settling in. Sanchez is obviously not a great quarterback..

We held McKnight to 25 yards a return, plus a fumble.. believe that up to this game he was averaging over 40 yards a kickoff.. that is significant.
 
Your assessment of the Jets is spot on, Brady pretty much took apart the secondary.. Welker was somewhat neutralized, but Brady was able to find the seams or the soft spots..

Think that the Jets window is getting smaller, Rexy can bloviate all he wants to... but in the past couple of weeks has done less, perhaps reality is settling in. Sanchez is obviously not a great quarterback..

We held McKnight to 25 yards a return, plus a fumble.. believe that up to this game he was averaging over 40 yards a kickoff.. that is significant.

They chose not to commit Death by Smurf . . . and ended up taking Death by TE instead.
 
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