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.....well it WAS a beautiful day, and you can't expect me to come up with a pithy title every game. ;)

Playing a desperate team often is the most difficult win you can get. Just ask the Steelers (and who saw THAT one coming). I have to say Cinci came into this game and played a BRILLIANT first 36 minutes of the game. I can't imagine Dalton playing better. The defensive game plan (which I'm hoping someone who get the all 22 will explain later in the week) was outstanding and yet, despite all this, the Bengals managed to accumulate just a 14-10 lead. THAT is what impressed me the most from this game. So let's get started and break it down.

Offense

1. OL - It is easy enough to go and blame the OL for the offensive problems they had in the first half. Possibly but protection is a lot more than just the OL. TE's and RB's can have an important impact as well. However the bottom line here is whatever problems the OL MIGHT have had in the first half, were taken care of at half time, and Brady was hardly hurried. Mason is going to take a hit for the one sack were he seemed like was beat, but to his credit, he did the job when it mattered the most.

a. Whatever the Cinci secondary was doing needs to be analyzed, because during that first half Brady rarely was able to throw a pass in rhythm. If he was, there wouldn't have been any talk about the OL. Hopefully we'll find out, because whatever it was, we'll see it again because it worked....until it didn't.

b. Kudo's to the coaching staff for whatever adjustments they made, because in the 2nd half, there was a marked difference in the time Brady had.

2. RB's. Ok James White had 2 TDs, but PLEASE, I do NOT want to see him with 7 carries again. He may be a better runner than he was in the past, but he is STILL not good. On the other hand I was VERY please to see LGB get a couple of looks in the pass game. Our tendency to run or PAP when he is in the game is super high, so he will always be open.

Overall we didn't run very much, but the RB's were fairly effective when they did.

3. TE's - Not a lot to add, since these guys are just so good and no one is going to be surprised if I point it out. In the first half it was fair to question why we hadn't seen much of either, but coming out of half time, they evidently made whatever adjustments they had to make to get them open, and boom they were suddenly open all the time. Gronk got the yards this game, but who knows next week. I don't have a clue, and neither do the Steelers.

4. WR - A very quiet day for the WR's. Hogan had just one catch although it was for almost 40 yds. Jules had "just" 4 and that's not much for him, and DA was just a 3rd down machine like he's been all season. Not many snaps, but a lot of impact on the few he gets. Malcolm was shut out for the first time this season.

5. QB- I have a small frustration about our offense. In one sense its almost too good. While most of the league is trending to throw the ball to their big receivers even when they are covered well. The so-called 50-50 ball. Well Tom Brady has been in an offense for most of his career than relied so heavily on receivers who create separation either by skill or scheme, and throwing the ball to "the open man".

So I wonder if I was alone watching that very choppy first half, and thinking "damned, why don't they just put one up to Gronk or Bennett and let them make a play, instead of watching him run around the pocket waiting for someone to get 'open'." The Raven won a superbowl throwing 50-50 balls.

But like I said it was a very small frustration. Meanwhile Tom was good, and his movement in the pocket these last 2 games might be better than I've see in a long while....if ever. Maybe he CAN play til he's 45.

Defense:

1. The positive, they really made some big plays over the course of the game, and obviously turned themselves completely around after the first Cinci drive of the 2nd half, allowing only 3 more points after that. The negative was they were merely good and not great.

2. The DL/LB's Hard to separate the 2 when discussing this defense when their roles interact so often. The run D was OK, but nothing like the dominant job they did last week. Cinci had some success running the ball. IIRC the RB's had just over 100 yds for the day, though some were gotten in garbage time.

a. It looked like Chris Long made the big play on the GL, though he certainly wasn't alone.

b. ERoberts has gone from everyone's first choice as a roster drop, to getting emergency snaps on the defense, to being an impact player on the field. What a find. In my mind he's everything that Freeney wasn't. I just hope he can survive the physicality of the game at his size. What impresses me the most about watching him, is that he almost always diagnoses exactly where the ball is going, and once he does, he gets there going down hill. HIS play allowed MattyP to be able to move around Hightower and Hightower had HIS best game of the year being Patricia's swiss army knife. That doesn't happen without Robert's dependable play. Another guy from Houston who didn't get invited to the combine.

c. A little acknowledgement for Branch who had a couple of big plays today on the run.

d. .....and then we come to the question of the pass rush. Still nothing that fills the game day mafia with any excitement. Only 2 sacks to the team who allowed more than twice that to a no name Dallas unit. it was certainly better in the 2nd half when Dalton had to escape the pocket several time, but I'm guessing it will never be as good as people want or expect.

This isn't going to be a prolific pass rushing team as far as stats go, but I think it can be a very EFFECTIVE pass rushing team simply because the pass rush and secondary work so well together to keep the opposition from scoring points. I'd like to think that it would be great to see 4 or 5 sacks per game, but that's not likely from this group.

3. DB's - another really solid game from the DB's Holding Dalton to just 250 yds was pretty outstanding when you think of how hot he was for the first 3 quarters. Everything he threw was right on target, even his incompletions. IIRC at one point he was 13 out of 14, so the fact he ended up going 21-31 is to the credit of the coaching staff, the pass rush and the secondary for improved play the 2nd half.

a. I thought Butler played better today. He seemed feistier, like whatever injury that was bothering him earlier was getting better. When he dropped the pick at a key point in the game, I wanted to go to him and tell him, "Don't worry Malcolm, you hung on to the one that counted" ;)

Greene, who is truly a great receiver, 'only' had 88 yds against both Ryan and Butler. But he was helped a lot by Dalton who threw the ball a couple of times into very tight windows. My only rant of the day was on the TD drive at the start of the 2nd half when on a 3rd and long, Greene was left to run free in some loose zone for an easy first down in front of the CB. But that was just one play. Most of the time most of Greene's catches where highly contested.

b. Nice to see Eric Rowe get some snaps. Even nicer to see him make a play at a big time. That should help his confidence as he is eased into the defense. We really need him when we have to match up on big WR's.

c. Only one over the top play for the Bengals, and that was covered perfectly. In keeping with BB's sometimes very frustrating philosophy, he wants the offense to make a lot of good plays in a row if they want to score.

ST's

1. The coverage unit's were once again superb. Brandon King, who I wanted to cut to keep Cooper, was PARTICULARLY good in coverage. Another good example of why I'm NOT the GM. ;)

2. It wasn't so much about the missed extra point that bothered me, it was the very near miss of the short FG that makes me worry about Stephan Gotskowski in a way I haven't 'til now. Clearly something is wrong. I don't think it's "go get another kicker" wrong, but it is something that needs to be addressed. I'm sure Gotskowski knows it's not good and will try to do what he needs to do to turn it around. In the meantime, he's certainly earned our patience.

3. Interesting to note that on that 4th and goal play in the first half, Nate Ebner was on the field as one of the S's. He also had a great hit one of the KO returns. BTW- Cinci did what no other team has done this year today, and that is return a kick beyond the 25.....to the 26 :D.

General thoughts.

1. The refs avoided my conspiracy feelings today, even if they made a few incomprehensible calls. The hands to the face call on Ryan was a farce, which was critical because Cinci later scored on a drive that would have ended on that play. However Cinci got a holding call after they made a first down that I happened to think was pretty weak (though not a bad as the Ryan call), and the next play was High's safety. I also didn't understand the LGB PF since he was walking away when he was pushed from behind. At worst it should have been dual PF's. Also I was kind of surprised when I checked the penalty yardage and found the Pats only had 7 for 46 and the Bengals had 6 for 55. It seemed like both sides had more.

2. The low blow to the back of Bennett's knees away from the play by Burfect was about the worst cheap shot I've ever seen, and I go back to the early 70's when the game was a lot more physical. But I'm talking about forearms to the head or shots to the balls. This was a dive at the back of a players knees designed to end a career. If he isn't fined for it, then any talk of player safety means nothing. It was horrifying. And I'm pretty sure there were officials in position to see it, yet no flag was thrown. It was a miracle that Bennet survived it. I guarantee you when they see this on film there will be lot of very unhappy Patriots in that room.

3. Always great to see the Ravens lose, even if it was to the Giants. Usually I root for any AFC team over the NFC, but not this time.

4. How do you possibly explain the Miami Steeler game. Going into the game, not team was playing better than the Steelers and no team was playing worse than the Phins. It's a great object lesson for BB down the road, and it will make the Steelers even more desperate to win this game at home.

5. BTW- Cleveland looks like they lost another heartbreaker. Jackson has them playing hard at least. Cleveland fans just have to hold on just a little longer and their loyalty is going to be rewarded.

6. The Bills finally did what they SHOULD do and crushed a bad 49er team at home. The Pats have a small lead in the division now, so in 2 weeks we should be looking at a very exciting Bills week for a change. But don't forget it's one week at a time, and a desperate Steeler team at home is going to be an awesome test, especially for the D.

OK that's enough for a start. I'm late for dinner. Lets get the discourse going.
 
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4. How do you possibly explain the Miami Steeler game. Going into the game, not team was playing better than the Steelers and no team was playing worse than the Phins. It's a great object lesson for BB down the road, and it will make the Steelers even more desperate to win this game at home.
That is the second WTF Steeler game as they got crushed by the Eagles as well. I would watch the injury report because it seemed that more than a few Steelers left and either didn't return or returned gimpy, Big Ben among them...
 
I remember BB saying ( I think during the SB) "they can't keep the pass rush going all game".

Or something like that.

I never worry too much about the first half as long as the offense is moving the ball and not suffering too many 3 and outs.

Good stuff Ken.
 
2. It wasn't so much about the missed extra point that bothered me, it was the very near miss of the short FG that makes me worry about Stephan Gotskowski in a way I haven't 'til now. Clearly something is wrong. I don't think it's "go get another kicker" wrong, but it is something that needs to be addressed. I'm sure Gotskowski knows it's not good and will try to do what he needs to do to turn it around. In the meantime, he's certainly earned our patience.

Someone may have said this already, but curious if the "sky ball" kick off kicking is a totally different fundamental kick in terms of approach, kicking angle, leg sweep, whatever and the constant changing back and forth has put his mechanics out of whack (kind've like a pitcher losing his curve ball when he tries to add a change up or cutter)??
 
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.....well it WAS a beautiful day, and you can't expect me to come up with a pithy title every game. ;)

Playing a desperate team often is the most difficult win you can get. Just ask the Steelers (and who saw THAT one coming). I have to say Cinci came into this game and played a BRILLIANT first 36 minutes of the game. I can't imagine Dalton playing better. The defensive game plan (which I'm hoping someone who get the all 22 will explain later in the week) was outstanding and yet, despite all this, the Bengals managed to accumulate just a 14-10 lead. THAT is what impressed me the most from this game. So let's get started and break it down.

Offense

1. OL - It is easy enough to go and blame the OL for the offensive problems they had in the first half. Possibly but protection is a lot more than just the OL. TE's and RB's can have an important impact as well. However the bottom line here is whatever problems the OL MIGHT have had in the first half, were taken care of at half time, and Brady was hardly hurried. Mason is going to take a hit for the one sack were he seemed like was beat, but to his credit, he did the job when it mattered the most.

a. Whatever the Cinci secondary was doing needs to be analyzed, because during that first half Brady rarely was able to throw a pass in rhythm. If he was, there wouldn't have been any talk about the OL. Hopefully we'll find out, because whatever it was, we'll see it again because it worked....until it didn't.

b. Kudo's to the coaching staff for whatever adjustments they made, because in the 2nd half, there was a marked difference in the time Brady had.

2. RB's. Ok James White had 2 TDs, but PLEASE, I do NOT want to see him with 7 carries again. He may be a better runner than he was in the past, but he is STILL not good. On the other hand I was VERY please to see LGB get a couple of looks in the pass game. Our tendency to run or PAP when he is in the game is super high, so he will always be open.

Overall we didn't run very much, but the RB's were fairly effective when they did.

3. TE's - Not a lot to add, since these guys are just so good and no one is going to be surprised if I point it out. In the first half it was fair to question why we hadn't seen much of either, but coming out of half time, they evidently made whatever adjustments they had to make to get them open, and boom they were suddenly open all the time. Gronk got the yards this game, but who knows next week. I don't have a clue, and neither do the Steelers.

4. WR - A very quiet day for the WR's. Hogan had just one catch although it was for almost 40 yds. Jules had "just" 4 and that's not much for him, and DA was just a 3rd down machine like he's been all season. Not many snaps, but a lot of impact on the few he gets. Malcolm was shut out for the first time this season.

5. QB- I have a small frustration about our offense. In one sense its almost too good. While most of the league is trending to throw the ball to their big receivers even when they are covered well. The so-called 50-50 ball. Well Tom Brady has been in an offense for most of his career than relied so heavily on receivers who create separation either by skill or scheme, and throwing the ball to "the open man".

So I wonder if I was alone watching that very choppy first half, and thinking "damned, why don't they just put one up to Gronk or Bennett and let them make a play, instead of watching him run around the pocket waiting for someone to get 'open'." The Raven won a superbowl throwing 50-50 balls.

But like I said it was a very small frustration. Meanwhile Tom was good, and his movement in the pocket these last 2 games might be better than I've see in a long while....if ever. Maybe he CAN play til he's 45.

Defense:

1. The positive, they really made some big plays over the course of the game, and obviously turned themselves completely around after the first Cinci drive of the 2nd half, allowing only 3 more points after that. The negative was they were merely good and not great.

2. The DL/LB's Hard to separate the 2 when discussing this defense when their roles interact so often. The run D was OK, but nothing like the dominant job they did last week. Cinci had some success running the ball. IIRC the RB's had just over 100 yds for the day, though some were gotten in garbage time.

a. It looked like Chris Long made the big play on the GL, though he certainly wasn't alone.

b. ERoberts has gone from everyone's first choice as a roster drop, to getting emergency snaps on the defense, to being an impact player on the field. What a find. In my mind he's everything that Freeney wasn't. I just hope he can survive the physicality of the game at his size. What impresses me the most about watching him, is that he almost always diagnoses exactly where the ball is going, and once he does, he gets there going down hill. HIS play allowed MattyP to be able to move around Hightower and Hightower had HIS best game of the year being Patricia's swiss army knife. That doesn't happen without Robert's dependable play. Another guy from Houston who didn't get invited to the combine.

c. A little acknowledgement for Branch who had a couple of big plays today on the run.

d. .....and then we come to the question of the pass rush. Still nothing that fills the game day mafia with any excitement. Only 2 sacks to the team who allowed more than twice that to a no name Dallas unit. it was certainly better in the 2nd half when Dalton had to escape the pocket several time, but I'm guessing it will never be as good as people want or expect.

This isn't going to be a prolific pass rushing team as far as stats go, but I think it can be a very EFFECTIVE pass rushing team simply because the pass rush and secondary work so well together to keep the opposition from scoring points. I'd like to think that it would be great to see 4 or 5 sacks per game, but that's not likely from this group.

3. DB's - another really solid game from the DB's Holding Dalton to just 250 yds was pretty outstanding when you think of how hot he was for the first 3 quarters. Everything he threw was right on target, even his incompletions. IIRC at one point he was 13 out of 14, so the fact he ended up going 21-31 is to the credit of the coaching staff, the pass rush and the secondary for improved play the 2nd half.

a. I thought Butler played better today. He seemed feistier, like whatever injury that was bothering him earlier was getting better. When he dropped the pick at a key point in the game, I wanted to go to him and tell him, "Don't worry Malcolm, you hung on to the one that counted" ;)

Greene, who is truly a great receiver, 'only' had 88 yds against both Ryan and Butler. But he was helped a lot by Dalton who threw the ball a couple of times into very tight windows. My only rant of the day was on the TD drive at the start of the 2nd half when on a 3rd and long, Greene was left to run free in some loose zone for an easy first down in front of the CB. But that was just one play. Most of the time most of Greene's catches where highly contested.

b. Nice to see Eric Rowe get some snaps. Even nicer to see him make a play at a big time. That should help his confidence as he is eased into the defense. We really need him when we have to match up on big WR's.

c. Only one over the top play for the Bengals, and that was covered perfectly. In keeping with BB's sometimes very frustrating philosophy, he wants the offense to make a lot of good plays in a row if they want to score.

ST's

1. The coverage unit's were once again superb. Brandon King, who I wanted to cut to keep Cooper, was PARTICULARLY good in coverage. Another good example of why I'm NOT the GM. ;)

2. It wasn't so much about the missed extra point that bothered me, it was the very near miss of the short FG that makes me worry about Stephan Gotskowski in a way I haven't 'til now. Clearly something is wrong. I don't think it's "go get another kicker" wrong, but it is something that needs to be addressed. I'm sure Gotskowski knows it's not good and will try to do what he needs to do to turn it around. In the meantime, he's certainly earned our patience.

3. Interesting to note that on that 4th and goal play in the first half, Nate Ebner was on the field as one of the S's. He also had a great hit one of the KO returns. BTW- Cinci did what no other team has done this year today, and that is return a kick beyond the 25.....to the 26 :D.

General thoughts.

1. The refs avoided my conspiracy feelings today, even if they made a few incomprehensible calls. The hands to the face call on Ryan was a farce, which was critical because Cinci later scored on a drive that would have ended on that play. However Cinci got a holding call after they made a first down that I happened to think was pretty weak (though not a bad as the Ryan call), and the next play was High's safety. I also didn't understand the LGB PF since he was walking away when he was pushed from behind. At worst it should have been dual PF's. Also I was kind of surprised when I checked the penalty yardage and found the Pats only had 7 for 46 and the Bengals had 6 for 55. It seemed like both sides had more.

2. The low blow to the back of Bennett's knees away from the play by Burfect was about the worst cheap shot I've ever seen, and I go back to the early 70's when the game was a lot more physical. But I'm talking about forearms to the head or shots to the balls. This was a dive at the back of a players knees designed to end a career. If he isn't fined for it, then any talk of player safety means nothing. It was horrifying. And I'm pretty sure there were officials in position to see it, yet no flag was thrown. It was a miracle that Bennet survived it. I guarantee you when they see this on film there will be lot of very unhappy Patriots in that room.

3. Always great to see the Ravens lose, even if it was to the Giants. Usually I root for any AFC team over the NFC, but not this time.

4. How do you possibly explain the Miami Steeler game. Going into the game, not team was playing better than the Steelers and no team was playing worse than the Phins. It's a great object lesson for BB down the road, and it will make the Steelers even more desperate to win this game at home.

5. BTW- Cleveland looks like they lost another heartbreaker. Jackson has them playing hard at least. Cleveland fans just have to hold on just a little longer and their loyalty is going to be rewarded.

6. The Bills finally did what they SHOULD do and crushed a bad 49er team at home. The Pats have a small lead in the division now, so in 2 weeks we should be looking at a very exciting Bills week for a change. But don't forget it's one week at a time, and a desperate Steeler team at home is going to be an awesome test, especially for the D.

OK that's enough for a start. I'm late for dinner. Lets get the discourse going.
 
Ken, what about the goal line stand! Always look forward to your post game thoughts, thanks.
 
I don't like players that try to intentionally end other players careers. Burfict, Pollard, Darian Stewart, T.J. Ward, and any player on a Jeff Fisher coached team.
I always wish bad things on POS like Pollard, Burfict and Ward. Looking to take away a mans livelihood and affecting their health post retirement makes me hope karma strikes them like a *****!
 
Someone may have said this already, but curious if the "sky ball" kick off kicking is a totally different fundamental kick in terms of approach, kicking angle, leg sweep, whatever and the constant changing back and forth has put his mechanics out of whack (kind've like a pitcher losing his curve ball when he tries to add a change up or cutter)??
Might be why they had him kicking into the end zone today.
 
Bengals game plan worked really well in the first half. Even when Brady had time, he couldn't find a receiver open. I don't think Bennett was even targeted in the 1st half. Bennett was much more involved in the pass offense in the 2nd half and that seemed to open things up. White was a big focus of the offense. It kind of reminded me of Vereen in the SB. It kind of looked like Blount and White split playing time. White had a hard time running but both teams had their troubles running. Going to be interesting to see what they changed in pass protection because he had more time to throw in the 2nd half.

This game is going to drive the sacks, int, FF crowd crazy. Bengals had a good game on offense. They ran more plays, tops in time of position but still they don't have the points to show for all that effort. The safety and the 4th down stop on the goal line were huge momentum changes. I thought Butler had a much better game. Green is a beast yet the secondary held him to 88 yards and no TD's. Dalton looks like a pretty good QB. I think he is hampered by inferior coaching and a defense that implodes when the going gets tough.

The special teams were really good again today except for Ghost. I don't know what is wrong but what ever adjustment he made during the week made things worse. Even some of the ones he made looked ugly today. Today instead of right, he was missing left.

There were not a lot of flags today and that benefitted the Patriots. There were 3 or 4 calls that could have been called against the Patriots that they didn't see or simply ignored. Still they let the Bengals get away with alot that led to Gronks and Blount's penalties. I was surprised no Bengals were penalized. Still I rather see this type of game rather then a flag football type of game and penalties called on every other play.
 
--Cincy has a lot of speed in the secondary, no surprise they gave the Pats problems for a bit.

--I hope Edelman's foot is OK.

--Why would you root for AFC teams over NFC teams? It's better for the Pats when AFC teams lose. Silly to have some sort of loyalty to a conference.
 
Ken, what about the goal line stand! Always look forward to your post game thoughts, thanks.
OK (in more detail) Well it was significant because the team has such a poor record of stopping teams in the red zone so far this year. The 2 key plays were Butler's stop of 3rd down pass to Greene. In his one cogent comment Fouts correctly mentioned that if the pass was a bit higher it might have been completed. Like in most cases "the perfect" pass is virtually indefensible. This one was 'merely' good and Butler played it well. Then when Cinci decided to go for it, I thought it was the right move, especially at the time. However I thought the choice of RB's was a bit strange, going with Benard. Hill is usually in for the heavy lifting yards, since his is a bigger guy. But they chose to give the ball to Benard on 4th and a half yard and the DL really did a great job. It looked like to me that Chris Long was the guy who got first contact on him, but there were several bodies in mix to make sure he didn't get that yard.

BTW- ERoberts made a great hit on Hill earlier in the goal to goal series. It was a play that thrilled me with his hit, but makes me wonder about his long term viability. At any rate, his play in the last 2 games have been a revelation. He's someone who now doesn't have to worry about if he's going to be on the team when the next wave of cuts are going to need to be made for Lewis, Volmer, and Tre.
 
--Cincy has a lot of speed in the secondary, no surprise they gave the Pats problems for a bit.

--I hope Edelman's foot is OK.

--Why would you root for AFC teams over NFC teams? It's better for the Pats when AFC teams lose. Silly to have some sort of loyalty to a conference.

I root for most AFC teams too. It's a relic of the AFL NFL wars in my case.
 
Kudo's as usual again..

The Pats made the, "Red Rifle look like the Red Ryder BB gun" .. even though he was getting high praise for completing the first ten, he paled in comparison to the greatness of Brady.

Never cared for a Marvin Lewis coached team, they lack discipline and it is just a matter of time before Burfet really explodes..

Was watching this O yesterday and thinking that right now the Pats are focusing on the TE's, and D coordinators are having fits.. so opposing teams will throw their best at them. The focus can switch easily to the Slot Receivers and WR's.. then back again, while we all praise the swiss army knife D the O has similar characteristics.. more confidence in the Pats switching their game plan during a game than any other team in the NFL.
 
--Cincy has a lot of speed in the secondary, no surprise they gave the Pats problems for a bit.

--I hope Edelman's foot is OK.

--Why would you root for AFC teams over NFC teams? It's better for the Pats when AFC teams lose. Silly to have some sort of loyalty to a conference.

You might feel differently if you lived through the AFL-NFL war of the 60's, as I did.
 
The Raven won a superbowl throwing 50-50 balls.
And even if the WRs wasnt able to catch the ball they got PI, like yesterday when DRC covered Perriman and got called. And they had great defense.
My thought in the first half when Brady was looking and not throwing was like yours, open man.
Eric Rowe covered AJ Green and had PB in endzone.
 
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