I don't usually pile on BOB, but...

[Deus Irae]

Yeah, that's a great point. Can't argue with that.

Just to follow up involving something I mentioned, I'd love your $.02 on the change to the running game for that long drive in the 4th. People are killing BOB for that, but I though it was an excellent adjustment that was seemingly overruled by BB. If you don't like that adjustment, it helps me to understand your position a bit more clearly, and I seem to be in the minority on the subject, so perhaps you'd be persuading me to change my stance.

 

[UofApatsfan]

Just to follow up involving something I mentioned, I'd love your $.02 on the change to the running game for that long drive in the 4th. People are killing BOB for that, but I though it was an excellent adjustment that was seemingly overruled by BB. If you don't like that adjustment, it helps me to understand your position a bit more clearly, and I seem to be in the minority on the subject, so perhaps you'd be persuading me to change my stance.

Personally I was neutral about it but of all the things BOB did yesterday running the ball on that drive isn't near the top of my list. The offense as it's currently built isn't gonna be scoring a bunch of quick points in a 4th quarter comeback, there was nothing much BOB coulda done other than take what the Jets were giving. With that said, it woulda been nice if he did more "taking what the defense was giving" the first 3 quarters of the game.

 

[jays52]

Just to follow up involving something I mentioned, I'd love your $.02 on the change to the running game for that long drive in the 4th. People are killing BOB for that, but I though it was an excellent adjustment that was seemingly overruled by BB. If you don't like that adjustment, it helps me to understand your position a bit more clearly, and I seem to be in the minority on the subject, so perhaps you'd be persuading me to change my stance.

No, I think that the run was there, and was the way to move the ball against what was shown. However, when I was watching that the thing that kept popping into my mind was what BB said to his defense with the Giants when they faced the k-gun. "You gotta believe me, if they run for 100 yards we win this game.", to me that seemed the design of the Jets. Win the individual matchups on the LOS by stunting, slanting, and looping with 3 and 4 men. Combine this with winning the outside and messing up the conjunction routes to the inside with that interior flood. It was classic Belichick. If you do that, you force them to play honest and eat clock. Of course, if those first two possessions were converted like they should have been none of this would have been possible. They baited the run, refused to respect the hashes, and forced a slow pace designed to cause erratic rhythm that played directly into the hands of the score. If the Patriots had been able to open up the areas outside the hashes, they could have ended this. The ultimate counter would have been to convert the initial two, but without doing that, they needed to utilize that exceptional depth to get aggressive against the isolated peripheral defenders.

 

[MadBacker]

You got owned.

/thread

EDIT: This user has been removed from this thread - Ian

 

[Marqui]

I wouldn't be disappointed at all if four of their first six picks were used on the lines.

Neither would I, that game was lost at the LOS.

 

[Keyser Söze]

You got owned.

/thread

Reported, cya loser

 

[DropKickFlutie]

The Patriots went 14-2 and had historic offensive efficiency numbers because it spread the ball around, was unpredictable and kept the opposing defense on its toes, and attacked a defense based on the situation instead of trying to dictate or force the action.

For some reason, just like last year's Baltimore playoff loss, the offense resorted to completely obvious play calls. Why use a spread formation on 3rd and short so many times? Why use Woodhead so much, just like Faulk was used too predictably last year against Baltimore? What happened to the 2-TE formation with BJGE in the backfield and Gronk and Crumpler/Hernandez out there? That is by far the most effective formation, since you can power run inside, or run play action, or still have an aggressive passing game, plus the defense doesn't know which one it is.

 

[IcyPatriot]

You got owned.

/thread

Can someone get rid of this athlete's foot.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

When they lose, it becomes so apparent that once the initial plan is answered, he is completely effed. He really isn't a smart guy and it is so GD obvious. God does that p!ss me off.

No, it doesn't show that BB isn't a smart guy. It shows that BB is only one man, and he can't be in 5 places at once making decisions for everything and analyzing the situation once a game starts.

It shows that Belichick is stretched way too thin, it's embarassing how crappy the rest of his coaching staff is. He really needs a quality coordinator on at least one side of the ball so he gets some help.

This team goes in with great game plans because Belichick has time to prepare, but once the game starts his coordinators are HELPLESS if the opponent figures them out, and Belichick has way too much going on to analyze the offense and defense and figure it all out while making high level decisions too.

[edit] Just realized you were probably talking about BOB. If this is the case, completely agree. BOB may be good at understanding orders and following them, but he has zero ability to see, think, and adjust based on what is happening on the field. He's like a robot that you program before the game but can't think for himself. Yet another reason why Belichick needs at least one veteran coordinator on one side of the ball to help him out. I'm absolutely convinced some of the weird decisions by Belichick the past few years during games are because he's doing too many things at once.

 

[jays52]

No, it doesn't show that BB isn't a smart guy. It shows that BB is only one man, and he can't be in 5 places at once making decisions for everything and analyzing the situation once a game starts.

It shows that Belichick is stretched way too thin, it's embarassing how crappy the rest of his coaching staff is. He really needs a quality coordinator on at least one side of the ball so he gets some help.

This team goes in with great game plans because Belichick has time to prepare, but once the game starts his coordinators are HELPLESS if the opponent figures them out, and Belichick has way too much going on to analyze the offense and defense and figure it all out while making high level decisions too.

Wasn't talking about Belichick.

 

[OldNEPatsFan]

An interesting point made by Steve and Fred on the Big-O show was the fact that Bill was screaming at Brady in the 4th quarter to stop making audibles to the run and throw the ball.

 

[alvinnf]

No, I think that the run was there, and was the way to move the ball against what was shown. However, when I was watching that the thing that kept popping into my mind was what BB said to his defense with the Giants when they faced the k-gun. "You gotta believe me, if they run for 100 yards we win this game.", to me that seemed the design of the Jets. Win the individual matchups on the LOS by stunting, slanting, and looping with 3 and 4 men. Combine this with winning the outside and messing up the conjunction routes to the inside with that interior flood. It was classic Belichick. If you do that, you force them to play honest and eat clock. Of course, if those first two possessions were converted like they should have been none of this would have been possible. They baited the run, refused to respect the hashes, and forced a slow pace designed to cause erratic rhythm that played directly into the hands of the score. If the Patriots had been able to open up the areas outside the hashes, they could have ended this. The ultimate counter would have been to convert the initial two, but without doing that, they needed to utilize that exceptional depth to get aggressive against the isolated peripheral defenders.

I always love reading your posts, so thank you. The only thing I think you miss the mark on is taking the run game that was there. In the first qtr even with the success they had moving the ball. Letting their lineman set their pads early with BJGE would have helped later in pass protection. Connolly got beatearly and often by Ellis. He was the weak link on the line. He would have really benefited from firing off the ball early in the game.