How much would you pay to keep Talib?

[chasa]

i expect baily, finnigen and one other "top ten" contract CB's to either get cut or take paycuts.

that might lower the franchise tag to sub 10 million.

at 11 million, id strongly consider trying to trade for and extend sherman with our first round pick.

 

[Miguel]

Ask him to take a pay cut and give Talib 6-7 mil a year.

What do the Patriots do if Arrington says no to a pay cut?

 

[Brady6]

What do the Patriots do if Arrington says no to a pay cut?

If they cut Arrington with a 6/1, designation, would it be $1.65M against the 2014 cap and $3.25M against the 2015 cap?

I am not saying I would do that, I am just curious.

 

[Kontradiction]

What do the Patriots do if Arrington says no to a pay cut?

Absolutely nothing. The keep him on the roster and eat the salary.

 

[KDPPatsfan85]

They should offer Talib 5 mil a year plus incentives. IF he can play all 16 games then he gets 7 mil.

 

[JMC00]

DeAngelo Hall just got $5 million per for 4 years. Talib is a lot better than Hall

 

[chasa]

DeAngelo Hall just got $5 million per for 4 years. Talib is a lot better than Hall

the market appears to be pricing Talib out of our range imo.

I don't see BB ever paying a CB upwards of 8 mil a year, and realistically that's what Talib deserves.

Hopefully Talib and blount work out some sort of package deal, since both like being here, and both are on BB good side.

 

[Deus Irae]

DeAngelo Hall just got $5 million per for 4 years. Talib is a lot better than Hall

"Talib will take whatever the Patriots decide to offer him and like it, or he's an evil traitor and will be hated forever!"/Patsfans.com

 

[varjao]

Absolutely nothing. The keep him on the roster and eat the salary.

It's gonna be hard to swallow.

I don't know what BB had in mind with that deal.

 

[Marqui]

I don't see BB ever paying a CB upwards of 8 mil a year

Not saying you're necessarily wrong but, why not? To win you have to stop the other team from throwing the ball too.

 

[SB39]

Can we please get away from thinking that players should enjoy a **** sandwich in lieu of actually getting competitive contracts?

+1. We see the same problem in the "trade Mallett" thread. People here are just not realistic in terms of what a player is worth, either in terms of dollars or draft picks.

 

[Sicilian]

"Talib will take whatever the Patriots decide to offer him and like it, or he's an evil traitor and will be hated forever!"/Patsfans.com

Not that those extreme personalities don't exist on this board, but I'm not seeing that here. All I'm seeing is people who are concerned enough about Talib's late season availability that if he wants more than 5-6 mil per year, they'd rather invest the money in other positions (of which there are plenty to upgrade).

 

[Deus Irae]

Not that those extreme personalities don't exist on this board, but I'm not seeing that here. All I'm seeing is people who are concerned enough about Talib's late season availability that if he wants more than 5-6 mil per year, they'd rather invest the money in other positions (of which there are plenty to upgrade).

First, at least one poster doesn't even want to pony up the $5m, which we all know was an underpay, that Talib made last year.

Second, I just chose a number at random, in order to make the point. We've seen this crap with Mankins, Welker, and any number of other players. Far too many posters here have the idea that the Players are always the bad guys in contract negotiations. You'd think that guys getting cut just a year or two after signing deals would smarten those posters up.

Sadly, you'd think wrong.

 

[SB39]

the market appears to be pricing Talib out of our range imo.

I don't see BB ever paying a CB upwards of 8 mil a year, and realistically that's what Talib deserves.

Well, he has franchised Samuel and Law and while the franchise number is higher today than for those guys, the cap has also risen as well. I don't know the exact ratios but it's probably reasonably similar.

I'm think the franchise tag is our best hope for keeping Talib.

 

[Sicilian]

First, at least one poster doesn't even want to pony up the $5m, which we all know was an underpay, that Talib made last year.

Second, I just chose a number at random, in order to make the point. We've seen this crap with Mankins, Welker, and any number of other players. Far too many posters here have the idea that the Players are always the bad guys in contract negotiations. You'd think that guys getting cut just a year or two after signing deals would smarten those posters up.

Sadly, you'd think wrong.

Again, I'm not arguing that those people exist, what I'm saying is in this situation with Talib, I'm not seeing a Pats Good - Player Bad vibe, I'm seeing legitimate concern about overpaying for talent that is of questionable reliability. Are you saying that if the Patriots are wary of Talib's injury, character, and suspension history, enough so that they don't feel like overextending on a long term, big money deal, that they're the bad guys here?

 

[Deus Irae]

Again, I'm not arguing that those people exist, what I'm saying is in this situation with Talib, I'm not seeing a Pats Good - Player Bad vibe, I'm seeing legitimate concern about overpaying for talent that is of questionable reliability.

I'm saying that you're looking at this thread, while I'm looking at the actual history. Saying you don't see it here is like saying "I don't see post-divorce hostility among these newlyweds.".

Are you saying that if the Patriots are wary of Talib's injury, character, and suspension history, enough so that they don't feel like overextending on a long term, big money deal, that they're the bad guys here?

No. I'm saying that, no matter what number, and no matter what reason, far too many people at Patsfans.com will blame Talib if no deal is reached.

 

[Sicilian]

I'm saying that you're looking at this thread, while I'm looking at the actual history. Saying you don't see it here is like saying "I don't see post-divorce hostility among these newlyweds.".

I'm looking at this thread because that's where I'm posting. You're already assigning these opinions to people that haven't voiced them yet. It's more like you saying, "These newly-weds get along nicely. But they'll be divorced soon, and it'll be ugly!" Let's at least wait until it comes up before you spear people for it.

No. I'm saying that, no matter what number, and no matter what reason, far too many people at Patsfans.com will blame Talib if no deal is reached.

And if he signs somewhere else for too much money, far too many will rail on the Patriots for "Not going the extra mile" or "being cheap" or some other such nonsense. There's stupidity on both sides.

 

[Deus Irae]

I'm looking at this thread because that's where I'm posting. You're already assigning these opinions to people that haven't voiced them yet. It's more like you saying, "These newly-weds get along nicely. But they'll be divorced soon, and it'll be ugly!" Let's at least wait until it comes up before you spear people for it.

You're ignoring the context of my original post of this sub-thread.

And if he signs somewhere else for too much money, far too many will rail on the Patriots for "Not going the extra mile" or "being cheap" or some other such nonsense. There's stupidity on both sides.

Now you're being disingenuous in an effort to assert some level of 'moral' equivalence. You post here far too often to be pretending that the numbers on both sides of that equation are anywhere near equal.

 

[Sicilian]

Now you're being disingenuous in an effort to assert some level of 'moral' equivalence. You post here far too often to be pretending that the numbers on both sides of that equation are anywhere near equal.

Looking at the quotes in your signature, I have to assume you believe that who the majority is doesn't matter. My point is that both extremes exist, and in enough quantity on each side that I don't think it matters who has greater numbers. The truth is in the middle, or off to the side entirely. Just because there are more idiots blaming the player doesn't mean the idiots blaming the team are right.

 

[Miguel]

If they cut Arrington with a 6/1, designation, would it be $1.65M against the 2014 cap and $3.25M against the 2015 cap?

I am not saying I would do that, I am just curious.

It would be $2.625m against 2014 cap and $3.25m against 2015 cap. 1 million of Arrington's 2m salary is fully guaranteed.