How has Jake Bequette been doing?

[supafly]

I apologize. I shouldn't have let myself get sucked into another "our drafts have been terrible" discussion. There is a small group who thinks that Belichick drafts badly. Almost all of them post on patriot message boards. The rest of the world (who, of course counts for nothing), think that Belichick know how to draft, to trade, and in general how to secure talent.

Absolutely no need to apologize whatsoever. I appreciate the fact that you try and have the truth told to those that doubt Belichick's overall success.

I feel that Belichick has been a very good GM/drafter over the course of the long haul, and I believe that there are only 2 teams (PIT and GB) who consistently use more "home grown" talent, so the proof is certainly out there.

I'm not trying to be argumentative. I just believe that the period of (approx) '05--'09 was pretty bad, so I can relate to those who were starting to get worried. In the end though, we share the same belief that Belichick has been pretty good. After all, no one is perfect, and there will always be blemishes.

In that specific drafting period, something needed to be changed. It seems that whatever issue was there has been corrected, because things have been back to normal, with a decent rate of starting players + success.

 

[Huckleberry1]

With the amount of talent on this D Jake Bequette will soon find himself in the stands a place where he right fully belong. P.S. the speedy T.Y. Hilton went a couple of picks after Jake.

Your ability to make good draft picks 3-4 years after the fact is right up there with the best.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Absolutely no need to apologize whatsoever. I appreciate the fact that you try and have the truth told to those that doubt Belichick's overall success.

I feel that Belichick has been a very good GM/drafter over the course of the long haul, and I believe that there are only 2 teams (PIT and GB) who consistently use more "home grown" talent, so the proof is certainly out there.

I'm not trying to be argumentative. I just believe that the period of (approx) '05--'09 was pretty bad, so I can relate to those who were starting to get worried. In the end though, we share the same belief that Belichick has been pretty good. After all, no one is perfect, and there will always be blemishes.

In that specific drafting period, something needed to be changed. It seems that whatever issue was there has been corrected, because things have been back to normal, with a decent rate of starting players + success.

On the other hand he has replaced 49-53 players since 2008 and has made the AFFCG 3X and the Super Bowl 1X, incredible achievement during a total rebuild. I agree that was a bad stretch but it is the overall picture that has to be taken into account when evaluating Belichick's track record not the cherry picking his detractors engage in. I particularly enjoy the 3 years later drafting they like to do so much.

 

[supafly]

On the other hand he has replaced 49-53 players since 2008 and has made the AFFCG 3X and the Super Bowl 1X, incredible achievement during a total rebuild. I agree that was a bad stretch but it is the overall picture that has to be taken into account when evaluating Belichick's track record not the cherry picking his detractors engage in. I particularly enjoy the 3 years later drafting they like to do so much.

Belichick has been impressive with his overall drafting period, like you said.

I'm not totally in agreement with you that it's necessarily "cherry picking" to point out the poor 5 yr stretch. It's difficult to go 5 full years with such a low percentage of hits. Either way, it seems to have been addressed and fixed, because things have been much better since then.

Then again, maybe it's just an ebb and flow type of exercise and we'll end up going through another significant dry spell--which could be more in line with your overall point. I agree that the entire picture needs to be examined.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Belichick has been impressive with his overall drafting period, like you said.

I'm not totally in agreement with you that it's necessarily "cherry picking" to point out the poor 5 yr stretch. It's difficult to go 5 full years with such a low percentage of hits. Either way, it seems to have been addressed and fixed, because things have been much better since then.

Then again, maybe it's just an ebb and flow type of exercise and we'll end up going through another significant dry spell--which could be more in line with your overall point. I agree that the entire picture needs to be examined.

I wasn't pointing to the longer period as the cherry picking and that is not something I have seen you do, I am referring to the he should have taken so and so and instead took so and so etc.........that a number of poster's do here. Belichick is looking at much bigger and much more complex picture in terms of needs and team building than those of use who are looking at the draft and that's why we are never in sync with their moves on draft day.

 

[TonyTucker]

2009 was a pretty big stinkbomb too, with the second round picks of Chung, Brace, and Butler. Even 2010 which looked like a complete grand slam (seriously, even Jermaine Cunningham contributed that year, he had a good game against the Ravens and Michael Oher in the Deion Branch return). But, Spikes kind of sucked, Gronk is always hurt, Hernandez killed people, McCourty had to be moved to safety, etc.

So much wasted draft capital. Where are the game changing players? There's Brady, drafted 15 years ago, Gronk, who is always hurt, and Revis, who they picked up in free agency. Maybe Wilfork, who again, was drafted 10 years ago. Mayo and McCourty aren't game changers.

The team seems to be lacking elite, top end talent. A lot of okay to pretty good guys. And not only that, their depth isn't very good either. Who is going to give Nink and Jones a breather so they don't have to play 95 and 98 percent of the snaps? Linebackers, it's Mayo and Collins, with a bunch of stiffs behind them. Who knows who the other safety will be opposite the very average McCourty. The TE depth is a joke.

Belichick really needs to get his act together. Brady can't bail him out forever.

 

[Deus Irae]

I apologize. I shouldn't have let myself get sucked into another "our drafts have been terrible" discussion. There is a small group who thinks that Belichick drafts badly. Almost all of them post on patriot message boards. The rest of the world (who, of course counts for nothing), think that Belichick know how to draft, to trade, and in general how to secure talent.

If you think that's true, you don't get around much. On board after board after board, it's all about getting lucky with Brady, because 'Belicheat' can't draft.

 

[Deus Irae]

The team seems to be lacking elite, top end talent.

Wilfork
Mayo
Revis
Brady
Gronk
Mankins

 

[Huckleberry1]

2009 was a pretty big stinkbomb too, with the second round picks of Chung, Brace, and Butler. Even 2010 which looked like a complete grand slam (seriously, even Jermaine Cunningham contributed that year, he had a good game against the Ravens and Michael Oher in the Deion Branch return). But, Spikes kind of sucked, Gronk is always hurt, Hernandez killed people, McCourty had to be moved to safety, etc.

So much wasted draft capital. Where are the game changing players? There's Brady, drafted 15 years ago, Gronk, who is always hurt, and Revis, who they picked up in free agency. Maybe Wilfork, who again, was drafted 10 years ago. Mayo and McCourty aren't game changers.

The team seems to be lacking elite, top end talent. A lot of okay to pretty good guys. And not only that, their depth isn't very good either. Who is going to give Nink and Jones a breather so they don't have to play 95 and 98 percent of the snaps? Linebackers, it's Mayo and Collins, with a bunch of stiffs behind them. Who knows who the other safety will be opposite the very average McCourty. The TE depth is a joke.

Belichick really needs to get his act together. Brady can't bail him out forever.

This is a ridiculous post. Once again, Belichick has completely rebuilt this team over the past 4 years and managed to get them to 3 AFCC games and a Super Bowl while replacing 49-53 players and that is something that is simply not done in the NFL, and I would bet you can't find another example of a team doing that. he is the best in the business and Brady's success can largely be attributed to Belichick providing him with the coaches and players to win consistently. The knocks on Belichick are 100% bullsh.t and simply make those taking the shots look like complete idiots who know nothing about football.

 

[RayClay]

2009 was a pretty big stinkbomb too, with the second round picks of Chung, Brace, and Butler. Even 2010 which looked like a complete grand slam (seriously, even Jermaine Cunningham contributed that year, he had a good game against the Ravens and Michael Oher in the Deion Branch return). But, Spikes kind of sucked, Gronk is always hurt, Hernandez killed people, McCourty had to be moved to safety, etc.

So much wasted draft capital. Where are the game changing players? There's Brady, drafted 15 years ago, Gronk, who is always hurt, and Revis, who they picked up in free agency. Maybe Wilfork, who again, was drafted 10 years ago. Mayo and McCourty aren't game changers.

The team seems to be lacking elite, top end talent. A lot of okay to pretty good guys. And not only that, their depth isn't very good either. Who is going to give Nink and Jones a breather so they don't have to play 95 and 98 percent of the snaps? Linebackers, it's Mayo and Collins, with a bunch of stiffs behind them. Who knows who the other safety will be opposite the very average McCourty. The TE depth is a joke.

Belichick really needs to get his act together. Brady can't bail him out forever.

Why are the other 31 teams so bad, then?

 

[supafly]

Wilfork
Mayo
Revis
Brady
Gronk
Mankins

I'd even argue McCourty as well, depending upon personal opinion. I do think that he's a top 6-8 safety (at worst) in the NFL myself, so I would include him. Even Julian Edelman may be a top end "elite" talent with 100+ catches again.

 

[AzPatsFan]

If you think that's true, you don't get around much. On board after board after board, it's all about getting lucky with Brady, because 'Belicheat' can't draft.

That's just other fans expressing sour grapes, IMHO.

 

[Marinlik]

2009 was a pretty big stinkbomb too, with the second round picks of Chung, Brace, and Butler. Even 2010 which looked like a complete grand slam (seriously, even Jermaine Cunningham contributed that year, he had a good game against the Ravens and Michael Oher in the Deion Branch return). But, Spikes kind of sucked, Gronk is always hurt, Hernandez killed people, McCourty had to be moved to safety, etc.

So much wasted draft capital. Where are the game changing players? There's Brady, drafted 15 years ago, Gronk, who is always hurt, and Revis, who they picked up in free agency. Maybe Wilfork, who again, was drafted 10 years ago. Mayo and McCourty aren't game changers.

The team seems to be lacking elite, top end talent. A lot of okay to pretty good guys. And not only that, their depth isn't very good either. Who is going to give Nink and Jones a breather so they don't have to play 95 and 98 percent of the snaps? Linebackers, it's Mayo and Collins, with a bunch of stiffs behind them. Who knows who the other safety will be opposite the very average McCourty. The TE depth is a joke.

Belichick really needs to get his act together. Brady can't bail him out forever.

Yes McCourty had to be moved to safety... Where he quickly became one of the best in the league at the position. I don't see that as a bad thing.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I'm still waiting for the Belichick bashers to show another example of a team replacing over 90% of their players and going to 3 Championship games and a Super Bowl while doing that rebuild? Can't wait to see all of the examples, should be a long list. C'mon Tony, C'mon Triumph, C'mon Captain Stone let's see your lists.................. You guys are such incredible fantasy GM's I am sure you could have accomplished more, especially picking at the end of the round every draft, piece of cake.

 

[TonyTucker]

Wilfork
Mayo
Revis
Brady
Gronk
Mankins

Mayo isn't a game changer. Mankins is, but for the other team, when he routinely gets his lunch eaten in big games.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Mayo isn't a game changer. Mankins is, but for the other team, when he routinely gets his lunch eaten in big games.

Yep, Mankins definitely gets his lunch eaten when he is playing on a torn ACL,he's such a ****y and he sucks so bad.

Still waiting for those lists Tony?

 

[Deus Irae]

I'd even argue McCourty as well, depending upon personal opinion. I do think that he's a top 6-8 safety (at worst) in the NFL myself, so I would include him. Even Julian Edelman may be a top end "elite" talent with 100+ catches again.

I don't disagree with you on McCourty. I just didn't want to see the "McCourty's not a top safety" crap started again.

 

[Deus Irae]

Mayo isn't a game changer. Mankins is, but for the other team, when he routinely gets his lunch eaten in big games.

When you make posts as stupid as the I'm quoting, you have to expect people to think you either don't know what you're talking about or you're dishonest. Mayo is clearly a top shelf LB and Mankins is clearly a top shelf OLG, and that was your requirement. Don't play games with it. Just admit that your initial post was wrong, and move on.

Edit: You're going to play the "dislike" card? Really?

Ok...

 

[captain stone]

Why are the other 31 teams so bad, then?

Because, with the exceptions of GB & NO, they don't have Tom Brady to make the OL & WRs
look better than they are.

 

[RayClay]

Because, with the exceptions of GB & NO, they don't have Tom Brady to make the OL & WRs
look better than they are.

Well, one of them has Matt Cassel.