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[woolster22]

I truly don't get Felger's popularity. I'm forced to conclude that our area really IS full of the fellowship of the miserable and there are a lot of 'fans' who hate our teams.

It takes a certain kind of person to "like" winter...

 

[rochrist]

I am talking about the narrative around Bill's legacy in NE. Never has any org taken as much credit for 20 years of success as the Pats have with the GOAT QB at the helm. And now that Brady has won elsewhere, the narrative has taken a sharp turn. Many see Bill as being carried by Brady.

No shortage of idiots.

 

[Tunescribe]

I truly don't get Felger's popularity. I'm forced to conclude that our area really IS full of the fellowship of the miserable and there are a lot of 'fans' who hate our teams.

Felger is very bright, knows sports and has some good takes. But he is, first and foremost, a pot-stirrer. It's a matter of tuning out the B.S., which he's pretty adept at weaving into substantive into to get a rise out of people.

 

[DarrylS]

Holley is another one in career preservation mode

Have not heard him lately, so unable to comment.. I used to like him as he was a voice of reason amidst the predictable s..tstorm about every Pats decision..

 

[DarrylS]

Bill Russell used to wine and dine Wilt Chamberlain and other great centers, he became good friends with them because he had to play against them regularly. BB didn't invent this approach, it just happens to be the correct one.

The less you say and less your enemy knows the greater the competitive advantage. BB doesn't buy into the media drama BS, nor should fans... but they do. Many fans love the drama.

Sun Tzu, "The Art of War", one of BB's books mentioned in one of his biographies: “Keep your friends close; keep your enemies closer.”

 

[Clonamery]

Talk radio is anger pornography.

That's all it is because that's all it's designed to be. They say stupid things to invite callers to light up the lines to "correct" them. It's a game.

Why are you trying to ruin pornography’ good name?

 

[gobesmug]

Phil Jackson won with 2 different teams and we different players. However, without having a top 5 player of all time he was not great.

Greg Popovich was amazing and built a team with Duncan. Without having a HOF player he has not won a championship.

Bill doesn't deserve to be listed above Walsh, Lombardi, and Knoll unless he wins without Brady.

And the fact that you could list Phil and Pops without Red is crazy.

Walsh only coached 10 seasons as a HC and won 4 Superbowls. That means he won a Superbowl %40 of the time he coached. Bill doesn't deserve to be placed a head of him.

Being in the same pillar as Walsh isn't a bad thing.

Belichick is already the GOAT NFL HC. Or do you also diss Phil Jackson and Greg Popovich to

 

[amfootball]

Phil Jackson won with 2 different teams and we different players. However, without having a top 5 player of all time he was not great.

Greg Popovich was amazing and built a team with Duncan. Without having a HOF player he has not won a championship.

Bill doesn't deserve to be listed above Walsh, Lombardi, and Knoll unless he wins without Brady.

And the fact that you could list Phil and Pops without Red is crazy.

Walsh only coached 10 seasons as a HC and won 4 Superbowls. That means he won a Superbowl %40 of the time he coached. Bill doesn't deserve to be placed a head of him.

Being in the same pillar as Walsh isn't a bad thing.

I am not sure I understand your reasoning here - I can see putting Lombardi ahead of Bill but Knoll and Walsh only won with Bradshaw and Montana respectively. I am not sure winning 4 SBs in 10 years vs 6 SBs in 19 years matters. It is the number of titles you win and Bill did it during the FA/CAP era unlike Walsh who could just stack his teams and never lose his players to FA.

 

[sb1]

Even though Bill's coaching legacy is diminished a little by Spygate - which he admitted was on him and I think will unfortunately cost him some votes for the HOF - I believe he is still the GOAT head coach. More rings than any other coach. Opposing fans and players cringed and many still do at the thought of facing a Belichick-led football team. When you get that kind of respect, you're an all time great.

Bill indeed is under .500 without Brady but I'm not penalizing him for that right now. Great players deserve way more credit for winning than coaches ever will. Great players can win with bad coaches - Peyton Manning took a .300 NCAA coach to a Super Bowl. Nuff said. The answer to the question was it Bill or Brady is, always was and always will be Brady.

But all time great coaches know how to maximize what they have no matter what and Bill has done that a lot more often than not, Super Bowl LII notwithstanding. I'd say he certainly did last year with a really bad roster on both sides of the ball, in 2016 losing the GOAT to suspension for a quarter of the season and in 2008 losing the GOAT for the season.


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[BTTA]

Just think if they win the SB with Mac.

Josh McDaniels will go down as the GOAT OC.

Or Cam!

 

[gobesmug]

I am not sure I understand your reasoning here - I can see putting Lombardi ahead of Bill but Knoll and Walsh only won with Bradshaw and Montana respectively. I am not sure winning 4 SBs in 10 years vs 6 SBs in 19 years matters. It is the number of titles you win and Bill did it during the FA/CAP era unlike Walsh who could just stack his teams and never lose his players to FA.

Bill only won with Brady. Also I'm not putting anyone above Bill, I am saying Bill is on par with those greats.

You can debate why Knoll, Walsh, Lombardi, Gibbs, or Bill is the best but they are all pears. Bill hasn't done anything to separate himself from that Rushmore.

Now if Bill can pull off another Superbowl win without Brady, then I think that gives him enough to be separate from that tier.

 

[amfootball]

Bill only won with Brady. Also I'm not putting anyone above Bill, I am saying Bill is on par with those greats.

You can debate why Knoll, Walsh, Lombardi, Gibbs, or Bill is the best but they are all pears. Bill hasn't done anything to separate himself from that Rushmore.

Now if Bill can pull off another Superbowl win without Brady, then I think that gives him enough to be separate from that tier.

Gotcha now. I agree. He needs to win without Brady to move ahead and separate.

 

[203Pat]

There will be no discussion when it comes to Bill's HOF candidacy. Him being the greatest of all time is a different story. I know some people will get mad but his record without Brady is what it is.

 

[sb1]

There will be no discussion when it comes to Bill's HOF candidacy. Him being the greatest of all time is a different story. I know some people will get mad but his record without Brady is what it is.

He'll get in but I really think Spygate will be a problem and he won't be in unanimously at least not on the first ballot. One voter already said that's why he is not voting for him.

 

[sb1]

Gotcha now. I agree. He needs to win without Brady to move ahead and separate.

Don't wanna hear any excuses from Bill this year - and lets face it those were excuses last year. If the Pats falls on their face, it's on him.

Bill gets a pass from me last year, his roster was bad but it's much better on paper this time around.

 

[sb1]

It's hard to overlook Spygate when talking about Bill. That one decision - which he admitted was a mistake and it was on him so there's no need to make excuses for him - it brought absolute hell down on the franchise and us Patriots fans too. We had to defend this stuff and still do.

It was miserable hearing what people were saying about our team, Bill, Brady and the Super Bowls that a team like us weren't supposed to win and we still hear this stuff today.

 

[amfootball]

It's hard to overlook Spygate when talking about Bill. That one decision - which he admitted was a mistake and it was on him so there's no need to make excuses for him - it brought absolute hell down on the franchise and us Patriots fans too. We had to defend this stuff and still do.

It was miserable hearing what people were saying about our team, Bill, Brady and the Super Bowls that a team like us weren't supposed to win and we still hear this stuff today.

Yeah. It probably costs him first ballot.

 

[gobesmug]

It's hard to overlook Spygate when talking about Bill. That one decision - which he admitted was a mistake and it was on him so there's no need to make excuses for him - it brought absolute hell down on the franchise and us Patriots fans too. We had to defend this stuff and still do.

It was miserable hearing what people were saying about our team, Bill, Brady and the Super Bowls that a team like us weren't supposed to win and we still hear this stuff today.

I never hear anything about Spygate or Deframegate anymore. At this point all the winning since has ended any talking about it.

The only thing I'll occasionally hear is butt hurt Warner bringing up an already proven false allegation of tapping the Rams walk through before the Superbowl.

I also don't see how Bill won't make it HOF on first voting. Does it have to be unanimous to pass the first year? Because it would take a lot of pettiness to hold that up.

 

[203Pat]

Yeah. It probably costs him first ballot.

Unless I'm mistaken I don’t think you need a unanimous vote to be a first ballot. No way Bill ends up unanimous with Skygate and the amount of people (media) he has rubbed the wrong way but I would be very surprised if he isn't a first ballot guy.

 

[NFLmac]

Just think if they win the SB with Mac.

Josh McDaniels will go down as the GOAT OC.

Watch it, or you’ll give a certain frequent poster nightmares!