Here is something you can laugh at.

[Huckleberry1]

If Kraft were able to put together a veteran Vrabel/Daboll combination, which would be an obvious huge upgrade, I would prefer they brought in the general manager they felt most comfortable with.

If Wolf were fine with them, I would be fine.

But if not, you would want a year for further clash?

His players seem for a specific system.

I don’t want Daboll. Hiring him as OC would mean a return to Erhardt Perkins, and one of the good aspects of letting Belichick go was getting rid of that old stale offensive system. I want them to stay a modified west coast offense, I don’t want Maye changing offenses repeatedly. I would be fine with Vrabel and a west coat OC, but only if it was a long term commitment.

 

[Huckleberry1]

If Kraft were able to put together a veteran Vrabel/Daboll combination, which would be an obvious huge upgrade, I would prefer they brought in the general manager they felt most comfortable with.

If Wolf were fine with them, I would be fine.

But if not, you would want a year for further clash?

His players seem for a specific system.

We have no idea what Wolf’s model for players is as he has only had one free agency and draft. Before that the players brought in were Belichick’s type of players.

 

[turkeyneck]

We have no idea what Wolf’s model for players is as he has only had one free agency and draft. Before that the players brought in were Belichick’s type of players.

OL who are too fat to get out of their own way and WR too thick to learn a route tree?

 

[PancakeBlockPaul]

Didn’t he have a good week of practice? A few weeks ago? Or something?

 

[Huckleberry1]

If Kraft were able to put together a veteran Vrabel/Daboll combination, which would be an obvious huge upgrade, I would prefer they brought in the general manager they felt most comfortable with.

If Wolf were fine with them, I would be fine.

But if not, you would want a year for further clash?

His players seem for a specific system.

If it means getting rid of Wolf then I’m completely opposed to it, period.

 

[Huckleberry1]

OL who are too fat to get out of their own way and WR too thick to learn a route tree?

Sounds like you are talking about Belichick.

 

[Family]

If it means getting rid of Wolf then I’m completely opposed to it, period.

You should pony up $1.99 a month for Boston Sports Journal and read this week's article of rookie WR's drafted 20th OA thru the end of the second round, having a start like Polk (actually Polk is much worse) by Mike Girardi

THE FACTS say all this talk about needing a second year and that the rookie year gets a pass is BS.

Of the approximate 80 rookie WR's drafted in this position (20th OA to end of 2nd round) over the last 10 years "the only players having found their way after a tough start were Nelson Agholor (23 catches as a rookie), Curtis Samuel (15), D.J. Chark (14), and Wan'dale Robinson (23). And of that quartet, none became stars (the jury's still out on Robinson's ceiling)."

Four games left to turn this around, but there is plenty of evidence Wolf's gm skills suck.

You create your own facts about needing to see a second year.

 

[Thelonious]

So let's hear once again why we should not fire Wolf immediately. So far all I've heard are variants of,""Oh gosh [wrings hands, twists panties], that sort of thing is just not done."

 

[yukon cornelius]

why can't you make it up? PFF does!

 

[Ring 6]

If it means getting rid of Wolf then I’m completely opposed to it, period.

What do you find positive about Wolf?

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

Absolutely. Rather than get him killed behind a ****ty OL. And he’s taken some massive hits because of it, and already has one concussion on the record. You didn’t give a **** if he got ten concussions because you didn’t want him to begin with, and wanted a Brissett to Harrison Jr. QB-Receiver tandem. Had they followed your advice Jacoby Brissett would be their QB of the future.

I was a proud member of team "Sit Drake". I admit I was wrong, but I still say the reasoning was correct given what was known at the time. It's easy to say he should have played from game one now, but remember what we were told: Drake had significant issues with his form and footwork that needed to be work out. Drake was young and not as NFL-ready as Jayden Daniels. Drake needed to do a lot of work before he could process at the level required for an NFL QB. It's completely sensible to sit him, if all those things are true. Combine that with the OL we have now, it surely seemed like mission impossible for Drake to succeed under those conditions, and reckless to try, sending a lamb out to be slaughtered. It turned out that everything we were told about Drake's deficiencies was wrong. And it looks like the ankle injury caused scouts to misevaluate his mobility: good mobility went to elite once he healed up completely.

We had no idea Drake had the pocket sense, mobility, head, processing ability, decisiveness, etc., to keep himself in one piece behind the OL, and none of the "Play Drake" folks knew that either. Their argument was this is the NFL, tough game, he needs to get experience regardless. That's making a very different and much weaker argument.

Still, Drake could be slaughtered next game. The risk is higher than I'd like, but he elite traits are mitigating the situation.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

So let's hear once again why we should not fire Wolf immediately. So far all I've heard are variants of,""Oh gosh [wrings hands, twists panties], that sort of thing is just not done."

He should be, but he's not going to be for reasons similar to those protecting 'Naise. Bob picked him, and he will not admit he made a mistake this early. I bet both make it through next season too, no matter how bad it looks.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I was a proud member of team "Sit Drake". I admit I was wrong, but I still say the reasoning was correct given what was known at the time. It's easy to say he should have played from game one now, but remember what we were told: Drake had significant issues with his form and footwork that needed to be work out. Drake was young and not as NFL-ready as Jayden Daniels. Drake needed to do a lot of work before he could process at the level required for an NFL QB. It's completely sensible to sit him, if all those things are true. Combine that with the OL we have now, it surely seemed like mission impossible for Drake to succeed under those conditions, and reckless to try, sending a lamb out to be slaughtered. It turned out that everything we were told about Drake's deficiencies was wrong. And it looks like the ankle injury caused scouts to misevaluate his mobility: good mobility went to elite once he healed up completely.

We had no idea Drake had the pocket sense, mobility, head, processing ability, decisiveness, etc., to keep himself in one piece behind the OL, and none of the "Play Drake" folks knew that either. Their argument was this is the NFL, tough game, he needs to get experience regardless. That's making a very different and much weaker argument.

Still, Drake could be slaughtered next game. The risk is higher than I'd like, but he elite traits are mitigating the situation.

I think he’s shown that he was a great choice, but I still think playing him behind this line was a bad idea.

 

[Huckleberry1]

You should pony up $1.99 a month for Boston Sports Journal and read this week's article of rookie WR's drafted 20th OA thru the end of the second round, having a start like Polk (actually Polk is much worse) by Mike Girardi

THE FACTS say all this talk about needing a second year and that the rookie year gets a pass is BS.

Of the approximate 80 rookie WR's drafted in this position (20th OA to end of 2nd round) over the last 10 years "the only players having found their way after a tough start were Nelson Agholor (23 catches as a rookie), Curtis Samuel (15), D.J. Chark (14), and Wan'dale Robinson (23). And of that quartet, none became stars (the jury's still out on Robinson's ceiling)."

Four games left to turn this around, but there is plenty of evidence Wolf's gm skills suck.

You create your own facts about needing to see a second year.

Anyone who judges a GM in less than a season is an idiot. You would have ****canned Belichick in year one.

 

[Family]

Anyone who judges a GM in less than a season is an idiot.

Intelligent response Ivan.

I understand my post was a little complicated.

You would have ****canned Belichick in year one.

Bellichick was not the general manager.

But you're not good on facts.

 

[Ring 6]

Anyone who judges a GM in less than a season is an idiot. You would have ****canned Belichick in year one.

What are you judging based upon?
Belichicks first year the team was over the cap had to shed cap space and had no first round pick.

Wolf had 100 million and the 3rd pick.

Wolf couldn’t improve a 4 win team.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Intelligent response Ivan.

I understand my post was a little complicated.




Bellichick was not the general manager.

But you're not good on facts.

Belichick absolutely was the GM, he was given full control of all football operations. Kraft was the only person above him. And you would have fired him for not turning the team around in 8 months.

 

[Family]

you would have fired him for not turning the team around in 8 months.

Thank you Ivan for clarifying my opinion.

It's difficult for some to recognize different situations.

The idiots must understand you have far more insight than most posters.

It just takes you much longer to get there.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

I was a proud member of team "Sit Drake". I admit I was wrong, but I still say the reasoning was correct given what was known at the time. It's easy to say he should have played from game one now, but remember what we were told: Drake had significant issues with his form and footwork that needed to be work out. Drake was young and not as NFL-ready as Jayden Daniels. Drake needed to do a lot of work before he could process at the level required for an NFL QB. It's completely sensible to sit him, if all those things are true. Combine that with the OL we have now, it surely seemed like mission impossible for Drake to succeed under those conditions, and reckless to try, sending a lamb out to be slaughtered. It turned out that everything we were told about Drake's deficiencies was wrong. And it looks like the ankle injury caused scouts to misevaluate his mobility: good mobility went to elite once he healed up completely.

We had no idea Drake had the pocket sense, mobility, head, processing ability, decisiveness, etc., to keep himself in one piece behind the OL, and none of the "Play Drake" folks knew that either. Their argument was this is the NFL, tough game, he needs to get experience regardless. That's making a very different and much weaker argument.

Still, Drake could be slaughtered next game. The risk is higher than I'd like, but he elite traits are mitigating the situation.

The way things played out both sides of the sit/play Maye can declare victory or defeat. The play him now side has plenty of ammunition for stating that he was ready day 1. The sit him crowd can claim that he is doing well because Maye had the chance to observe, learn and develop. Clearly having Maye sit the first few games did not stunt his growth, he hit the ground running while playing with confidence and resilience. With no chance of making the playoffs this year it is just as well that Brissett took the initial punishment. The only second guess is that the futility of the first few games has taken a mental toll on the young WRs. Whether it was all part of the plan or a desperation move, I am happy that Maye has clearly established himself as the starter and leader of the team.

 

[captain stone]

"Laugh" isn't the word I would use to describe my reaction to reading this.