Harold Landry Update

[Zuma]

He's on the roster and under contract yes. We'll see come training camp. Love to see him start and return to form.. We'll see.

- Landry is 29 and Moses is 35
- Landry has been more available / played more games then Moses the past 2 years (including 2025)
- The OL had far more issues in the post-season then the DL

 

[Ring 6]

As currently constructed. We have 5 Starters on the offensive line that you would enter a game if it were played today.

One cannot say the same for the defensive edge.

I'll remain bullish that edge has to be addressed with #31.. the pass rush significantly helps the offense.

Look at what Houston & Denver team's with ferocious pass rushes are able to do for their offenses.. getting Drake the ball back at the 50 or inside the 40 from a sack on 3rd down.. or INTs, sack fumbles. The more opportunities you give your offense due to a pass rush and getting off the feild on 3rd down the better. Of course protect is vital as well. However we have a solid starting 5.. we don't have a presumed starter opposite Dre Jones right now.

Landry and Jones are equivalent quality to Campbell VeraTucker Wilson Onwenu and Moses

 

[Ring 6]

He's on the roster and under contract yes. We'll see come training camp. Love to see him start and return to form.. We'll see.

Why would you doubt a player can “return to form” at 29 after an injury?

 

[Real fan 02]

- Landry is 29 and Moses is 35
- Landry has been more available / played more games then Moses the past 2 years (including 2025)
- The OL had far more issues in the post-season then the DL

No argument there. I'm simply talking about the outlook for 2026 patriots and beyond. The OL had major struggles however in the superbowl the Seattle front blocked well for Darnold he had all day to throw.. as Drake was running for his life all game respectfully.. both lines struggled. Becuase the d- line was continually on the field they wore down and walker ran all over them..

Both fronts need reinforcement. The trenches on both sides could use help.

Moses and Landry are both injury prone players. Landry had major knee injury in 2022. Moses is always dealing with something. I have no problem with an OT In the first round however I'd prefer an edge first.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

No argument there. I'm simply talking about the outlook for 2026 patriots and beyond. The OL had major struggles however in the superbowl the Seattle front blocked well for Darnold he had all day to throw.. as Drake was running for his life all game respectfully.. both lines struggled. Becuase the d- line was continually on the field they wore down and walker ran all over them..

Both fronts need reinforcement. The trenches on both sides could use help.

Moses and Landry are both injury prone players. Landry had major knee injury in 2022. Moses is always dealing with something. I have no problem with an OT In the first round however I'd prefer an edge first.

And our line problems were predominantly on the left side playing 2 rooks. One still hurt and one playing out of position. We were also terrible picking up the blitz. A year experience, health, a position switch and AVT should all help.

 

[Ring 6]

I disagree. Let's say your biggest needs are qb and dt but there's only mediocre qbs and dts on the board. But there's a stud safety which you dont really need.
No-brainer you draft the safety. Now you have improved your team with a quality player.
The 2 mediocre picks do not improve your team. What you're saying is what bad football teams do.
You never reach. Never. Period.
If a position of need is not the best bpa but is not far away- then,yes you draft him.
But you dont reach. That's what the Jete do.

You can’t build a football team worrying only about today.
Whoever you pick, you get for 4-5 years. I would rather have a very good football player for 4-5 years regardless of the position he plays than a questionable one at the position I most need today.

However, ultimately they don’t carry madden ratings. You can’t honestly rank players in exact order. At any given pick there are probably at least a half dozen players that are very close in how you rate them, especially across positions.
So having a voice between great or mediocre really doesn’t happen. I think ultimately you have a group of players that you rank very closely in talent, upside, system fit, readiness to contribute, etc and you pick the one from that group that fills the biggest need.
If there is one player you believe is clearly the best with a doubt you have to take him

 

[rkarp1]

- Landry is 29 and Moses is 35
- Landry has been more available / played more games then Moses the past 2 years (including 2025)
- The OL had far more issues in the post-season then the DL

today, Moses can pass a physical. Landry cannot
do you know when he will be able to?

Landry is playing the season at 30 years old, not 29 years old. this will have been his 2nd knee injury. When he returns, do you know if he will be 100% the same player?

of course having a viable replacement for Moses would be great. but a rookie OT drafted at #31 is not playing over a healthy Moses. a rookie edge player in theory could play 30%+ of the defensive snaps, even with a 100% healthy Landry

the OL had issue. but the LT was not 100% healthy. he will be at the start of the season. the LG was replaced with a potential pro bowl player. the OC was upgraded.

 

[Zuma]

today, Moses can pass a physical. Landry cannot
do you know when he will be able to?

It's April

Landry is playing the season at 30 years old, not 29 years old. this will have been his 2nd knee injury. When he returns, do you know if he will be 100% the same player?

I'll ask

of course having a viable replacement for Moses would be great. but a rookie OT drafted at #31 is not playing over a healthy Moses. a rookie edge player in theory could play 30%+ of the defensive snaps, even with a 100% healthy Landry

Rookies selected in the 1st round are not capable of starting over 35 year olds....got it

the OL had issue. but the LT was not 100% healthy. he will be at the start of the season. the LG was replaced with a potential pro bowl player. the OC was upgraded.

I agree

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

It's April

I'll ask

Rookies selected in the 1st round are not capable of starting over 35 year olds....got it

I agree

The real question is who will your next avatar be?

 

[Zuma]

The real question is who will your next avatar be?

Exactly! Waiting for the draft and to see what happens with Diggs.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Exactly! Waiting for the draft and to see what happens with Diggs.

Smart man. Let's hope it is a R2 or R3 guy.

 

[Wozzy]

You have 5 starting OL already unless that tackle your taking at #31 is the 2026 OL is starter you're better off taking the edge in the first round. But then again Moses may not last the entire season so...

Nah, Moses is older than the guy he’s named after. He’s ancient, also we’re not sure Will Campbell is even an NFL tackle, he might be a guard.

At the end of the first there might be one offensive tackle left with a first round grade. There will be stud edge players available for the next few rounds and later if you’re willing to develop small school guys like Ponder. We likely have Landry’s heir apparent in Pomder already, who is taking over for Moses or Campbell if they falter?

 

[Wozzy]

I swear there’s a big subsection of fans here who are either ignoring, or completely oblivious to what we saw with Elijah Ponder last season.

This kid is as athletically gifted as the best young OLB’s in this draft class or his own. He’s an electric athlete.

You guys need to get past his draft status. That doesn’t mean **** after the draft ends.

 

[DaBruinz]

we disagree on the longevity of Jones and Landry
I said Ponder is a free agent after next season and you said he is a restricted free agent after 2027 (next season)

I also said "if a stud(edge) is still there" I would jump
What I did not say, but have said for a couple of weeks on numerous threads here, is that I believe there to be 7 OT that will be drafted before #31, and the drop off after 7 is to the 3rd round

I get it. YOU think that Jones won't last for the 3 years of his contract. You have nothing but wishful thinking on that.
Unfortunately for you, I said nothing about Landry. Try reading what's stated. Not what you wish was stated.

Next. YOU claimed that Ponder would be a free agent after next season. That's incorrect. He'll be a restricted free agent. That comes with caveats and you damn well know it. Pretending like you claiming that your statement included that is you spewing BS.

I know EXACTLY what you stated. I quoted you. And I disagree. Not that you understood it worth a damn. You CAN'T just jump if a stud edge is there. As for your claim that about 7 OT being off the board before 31, that's you trying to CYA on a stupid statement.

 

[DaBruinz]

I agree on Landry
the OP states he is at the facility everyday working hard on his rehab.
does he start on PUP? does he miss any games?

Ponder to date is a nice story about a guy over achieving, but in reality last season he was a 1 trick pony type player that gets pressure, but not much on the other phases of the position, yet. we see upside, but not there yet.

If the team double dips at edge, is Swinson even on the team?

Ponder was NOT a "1 trick pony". Ponder had 70 snaps against the run (32.5%) and 134 snaps against the pass (62.6%), and 11 snaps (5.0%) where he dropped into coverage. Those snaps against the run resulted in 8 stops and 4 TFLs.

Chaisson had 222 snaps against the run and made 19 stops and 10 TFLs. Chaisson had 222 run defense (34.1%), 400 pass rush (61.4%), and 29 coverage (4.5%).
Landry had 223 snaps against the run and made 24 stops with 10 TFLs. Landry had 223 run defense (33%), 406 pass rush (60%), and 47 coverage (7%).

If you want to erroneously call him a 1 trick pony because .5-1.6% fewer of his snaps were against the run than Chaisson or Landry, then you really can't be taken seriously. What's surprising is that if you extrapolate Ponder's stats out to the equivalent snaps that Chaisson had, you come up with 25.37 Stops, and 12.69 TFLs. That says that Ponder played extremely well and did so with fewer missed tackles than Chaisson. He certainly wasn't the "1 trick pony" you'd like to claim that he was. And yes. I do understand that the comparison is just mathematical in nature and wouldn't necessarily be the results had Ponder seen as many snaps.

 

[rkarp1]

I get it. YOU think that Jones won't last for the 3 years of his contract. You have nothing but wishful thinking on that.
Unfortunately for you, I said nothing about Landry. Try reading what's stated. Not what you wish was stated.

Next. YOU claimed that Ponder would be a free agent after next season. That's incorrect. He'll be a restricted free agent. That comes with caveats and you damn well know it. Pretending like you claiming that your statement included that is you spewing BS.

I know EXACTLY what you stated. I quoted you. And I disagree. Not that you understood it worth a damn. You CAN'T just jump if a stud edge is there. As for your claim that about 7 OT being off the board before 31, that's you trying to CYA on a stupid statement.

come back here after the 1st round run on OL men.
watch how Vrabel discards LB's that lost half a step as they age

Ponder was targeted in pass coverage 1 time all season, meaning he never was in coverage. he also had 24 comb tackles in 15 games.
athletic upside. 1 trick pony to date
sorry

 

[Wozzy]

come back here after the 1st round run on OL men.
watch how Vrabel discards LB's that lost half a step as they age

Elliot Wolf stated clearly in his press conference there are few LB’s who could step in today and replace Spillane and Ellis as starters. He specifically said “there would be good LB’s available on day three.” His words.

Ponder was targeted in pass coverage 1 time all season, meaning he never was in coverage. he also had 24 comb tackles in 15 games.

athletic upside. 1 trick pony to date
sorry

wtf are you even talking about, he’s an outside LB. How many times was Landry targeted in coverage, how many times was Matt Judon targeted? You’re talking about players who play the edge and either has contain or pass rushes. They rarely if ever drop back in coverage. Do you understand the differentiation between LB’ers?

Patriots LB’er coach called Ponder the best UDFA he’s ever seen. One trick pony… good grief.

 

[Real fan 02]

Nah, Moses is older than the guy he’s named after. He’s ancient, also we’re not sure Will Campbell is even an NFL tackle, he might be a guard.

At the end of the first there might be one offensive tackle left with a first round grade. There will be stud edge players available for the next few rounds and later if you’re willing to develop small school guys like Ponder. We likely have Landry’s heir apparent in Pomder already, who is taking over for Moses or Campbell if they falter?

Right but if you had a game to play today you have 5 starters.

Is Landry starting if a game was played today? You don't want to live in having to continue to rely on a rookie year in and year out to solidly your offensive line.

The Seattle game plan was to " attack the rookie side " of the OL. You need a mix of rook and veterans. Moses this is likely his last season. You have Bryant who will be better next season. You signed Hudson in FA for depth. You're ok for now as far as starters go on the OL. You need depth and eventual starters after Moses retires.

Vrabel already said Campbell isn't moving he's the LT. People are ignoring how solid he was prior to getting hurt. Drake doesn’t become an MVP candidate last season without a solid OL. They struggled in the postseason no denying that primarily the rookie side.



Here is your edge depth.
Jones -starter
Landry ? PUP?
Ponder?
Swinson?
31st Pick starter *

 

[Real fan 02]

And our line problems were predominantly on the left side playing 2 rooks. One still hurt and one playing out of position. We were also terrible picking up the blitz. A year experience, health, a position switch and AVT should all help.

Exactly correct. Is why we are drafting for depth not a rehaul of the OL. You don't win in this league having to continue to rely on rookies each year you want the guys you draft to become solid contributors. The edge I will continue to say is the more urgent need. As well as the left side struggling in the superbowl there were for to many times Darnold wasn't even touched and we were rushing 5 at times.

 

[Wozzy]

Right but if you had a game to play today you have 5 starters.

Is Landry starting if a game was played today? You don't want to live in having to continue to rely on a rookie year in and year out to solidly your offensive line.

The Seattle game plan was to " attack the rookie side " of the OL. You need a mix of rook and veterans. Moses this is likely his last season. You have Bryant who will be better next season. You signed Hudson in FA for depth. You're ok for now as far as starters go on the OL. You need depth and eventual starters after Moses retires.

Vrabel already said Campbell isn't moving he's the LT. People are ignoring how solid he was prior to getting hurt. Drake doesn’t become an MVP candidate last season without a solid OL. They struggled in the postseason no denying that primarily the rookie side.



Here is your edge depth.
Jones -starter
Landry ? PUP?
Ponder?
Swinson?
31st Pick starter *

Diggs was ready for the season, Landry is reportedly going to be ready for OTA’s… it seems Landry will be ready. If not, you start Ponder at OLB, back him up with Swinson and whatever rookies you find in the middle to late rounds of the draft and UDFA.

And no, the other edge will be Milton Williams with Dremont Jones rotating in. If by some chance Landry is having his snaps limited they could easily utilize a two DE set with Williams and Dremont on the edges.

Finding another fatty to replace Tonga is arguably a bigger need. If by some chance a hyper talented DT is there at 31 having another Barmore next to Barmore would do more for actual pass rush then another speed rusher off the edge. Tonga was good but limited, having another DT like Barmore who demands double teams or destroys the pocket would be huge.

In short, if there’s a 1st round grade OT there you have to take him… these guys are in short supply. Speed rushers are everywhere in the draft.