Harold Landry Update

[rkarp1]

Diggs was ready for the season, Landry is reportedly going to be ready for OTA’s… it seems Landry will be ready. If not, you start Ponder at OLB, back him up with Swinson and whatever rookies you find in the middle to late rounds of the draft and UDFA.

And no, the other edge will be Milton Williams with Dremont Jones rotating in. If by some chance Landry is having his snaps limited they could easily utilize a two DE set with Williams and Dremont on the edges.

Finding another fatty to replace Tonga is arguably a bigger need. If by some chance a hyper talented DT is there at 31 having another Barmore next to Barmore would do more for actual pass rush then another speed rusher off the edge. Tonga was good but limited, having another DT like Barmore who demands double teams or destroys the pocket would be huge.

In short, if there’s a 1st round grade OT there you have to take him… these guys are in short supply. Speed rushers are everywhere in the draft.

try to keep up

the discussion is; if there are 7 OT's taken before #31, and a stud edge is there at #31, do you jump on him?
it appears other posters argue that they would prefer an OT with a grade well below rd #1
of course you prefer to argue about Ponder, because you prefer to argue

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

try to keep up

the discussion is; if there are 7 OT's taken before #31, and a stud edge is there at #31, do you jump on him?
it appears other posters argue that they would prefer an OT with a grade well below rd #1
of course you prefer to argue about Ponder, because you prefer to argue

I haven't followed along.
Are there posters who actually prefer the 8th rated OT over a higher rated Edge?
That's draft fail 101.

 

[Real fan 02]

Diggs was ready for the season, Landry is reportedly going to be ready for OTA’s… it seems Landry will be ready. If not, you start Ponder at OLB, back him up with Swinson and whatever rookies you find in the middle to late rounds of the draft and UDFA.

And no, the other edge will be Milton Williams with Dremont Jones rotating in. If by some chance Landry is having his snaps limited they could easily utilize a two DE set with Williams and Dremont on the edges.

Finding another fatty to replace Tonga is arguably a bigger need. If by some chance a hyper talented DT is there at 31 having another Barmore next to Barmore would do more for actual pass rush then another speed rusher off the edge. Tonga was good but limited, having another DT like Barmore who demands double teams or destroys the pocket would be huge.

In short, if there’s a 1st round grade OT there you have to take him… these guys are in short supply. Speed rushers are everywhere in the draft.

Jones is a 3 down starter he wasn't signed to be a bench/rotational player.

I see your points. I'm just alluding to you don't want to have to continue to live with having to rely on a rookie every year. You want the guys you draft to become decent contributions to the team.

Ok, so sure take the OT at 31 he's likely sitting a sitting unless Moses decides to retire in camp.

If you want to take the pass rushers after ok that's fine too but we must address pass rush you don't have a starting edge opposite Jones. I'll die on this hill unless Landry shows otherwise.

I'm looking at it from the 2026 current roster standpoint heading into the draft.

I like where you're going at DT. I'd like that avenue as well.

Nonetheless this is a contender. They have to most important elements HC Na QB as Vrabel's said he's remodeling not rebuilding.

 

[Real fan 02]

I haven't followed along.
Are there posters who actually prefer the 8th rated OT over a higher rated Edge?
That's draft fail 101.

On patsfans.com I'm told there are plenty of edges later in the draft? I'm told we should take an OT at 31. .. maybe we should just draft all OL yeah.. that will work!

 

[Real fan 02]

try to keep up

the discussion is; if there are 7 OT's taken before #31, and a stud edge is there at #31, do you jump on him?
it appears other posters argue that they would prefer an OT with a grade well below rd #1
of course you prefer to argue about Ponder, because you prefer to argue

@DoubleDeluxe @rkarp1

Couldn't haven't said it better! I'll add to your excellent post that all we have to do is look at what Vrabel's done thus far he moved on from chassion, Jennings guys that played big roles last season.

Those moves were intentional he's adding guys that are impactful and 3 down players like Dre Jones... those are the guys he's targeting in the draft. Dre Jones isn't coming off the field.

 

[Wozzy]

try to keep up

the discussion is; if there are 7 OT's taken before #31, and a stud edge is there at #31, do you jump on him?
it appears other posters argue that they would prefer an OT with a grade well below rd #1
of course you prefer to argue about Ponder, because you prefer to argue

Bruinz and myself already qualified that a first round graded tackle like Blake Miller or Max Iheanachor would have to be sitting there to justify the pick. But you indicate we don’t need a tackle even if that’s the case… it’s what you’ve been saying for multiple pages now.

Conversely you think Landry who hasn’t turned 30 yet is toast despite the fact he was on a torrid sack per game pace last year and Ponder, who the LB’ers coach called a ridiculous athlete and the best UDFA he’s ever seen is somehow a jag…. because you prefer edge in the first round.

Meanwhile 35 year old Morgan Moses can be expected to play 20+ games again, Vera-Tucker who is made of glass will stay healthy and Will Campbell won’t keep getting smoked by speed off the edge.

Sounds legit….

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

Bruinz and myself already qualified that a first round graded tackle like Blake Miller or Max Iheanachor would have to be sitting there to justify the pick. But you indicate we don’t need a tackle even if that’s the case… it’s what you’ve been saying for multiple pages now.

Conversely you think Landry who hasn’t turned 30 yet is toast despite the fact he was on a torrid sack per game pace last year and Ponder, who the LB’ers coach called a ridiculous athlete and the best UDFA he’s ever seen is somehow a jag…. because you prefer edge in the first round.

Meanwhile 35 year old Morgan Moses can be expected to play 20+ games again, Vera-Tucker who is made of glass will stay healthy and Will Campbell won’t keep getting smoked by speed off the edge.

Sounds legit….

Very legit points.
Altho Moses was healthy all last year, but this retirement talk definitely is something to monitor.
Landry is definitely a question mark tho.
Bottom line we need both.
Those thinking we don't need an OT are wrong, but we definitely need an Edge too.
Like it or not, Landry is an aging unknown right now.
Jones has never been an electric pass rusher.
We need a legit, scare the opposing O pass rusher.

 

[Wozzy]

Jones is a 3 down starter he wasn't signed to be a bench/rotational player.

Dremont has started half a season worth of games last year and the year prior. He’s started a full season’s worth of games twice in his 9 year career. He was signed to keep Milton Williams healthy and from playing max snaps. He is Milton Williams-lite.

I see your points. I'm just alluding to you don't want to have to continue to live with having to rely on a rookie every year. You want the guys you draft to become decent contributions to the team.

Ok, so sure take the OT at 31 he's likely sitting a sitting unless Moses decides to retire in camp.

Moses is 35, he may not make it out of camp healthy. Campbell might continue to struggle. Vera-Tucker might break in the first five minutes. Offensive line is a big need.

Edge has some depth already.

If you want to take the pass rushers after ok that's fine too but we must address pass rush you don't have a starting edge opposite Jones. I'll die on this hill unless Landry shows otherwise.

I'm looking at it from the 2026 current roster standpoint heading into the draft.

I want Penn State DE Dani Dennis-Sutton in the second round… even if they have to trade back up to get him. I think he’s a first round grade player being slept on.

I like where you're going at DT. I'd like that avenue as well.

Nonetheless this is a contender. They have to most important elements HC Na QB as Vrabel's said he's remodeling not rebuilding.

Just be aware that Vrabel said it aloud, in the first round he prefers big guys who can protect Drake Maye or big guys who collapse the pocket. I envision OL or DT.

 

[Wozzy]

Very legit points.
Altho Moses was healthy all last year, but this retirement talk definitely is something to monitor.
Landry is definitely a question mark tho.
Bottom line we need both.
Those thinking we don't need an OT are wrong, but we definitely need an Edge too.
Like it or not, Landry is an aging unknown right now.
Jones has never been an electric pass rusher.
We need a legit, scare the opposing O pass rusher.

Agreed, but there might be 3-4 good OT starters in a draft class versus 10-15 or more edge players in a draft class.

Most of those tackles are found in the first two rounds. The edge players are found in every round. By the time a college tackle leaves school, it he was a standout at a small school he has already hit the transfer portal and ended up at a major program. You can find great athletic edge players from tiny schools, like Elijah Ponder from Cal Poly-San Obispo.

I’m summation…. god makes a finite amount of athletic 6’6” 320 pound guys… god makes lots of 6’2” guys.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

Agreed, but there might be 3-4 good OT starters in a draft class versus 10-15 or more edge players in a draft class.

Most of those tackles are found in the first two rounds. The edge players are found in every round. By the time a college tackle leaves school, it he was a standout at a small school he has already hit the transfer portal and ended up at a major program. You can find great athletic edge players from tiny schools, like Elijah Ponder from Cal Poly-San Obispo.

I’m summation…. god makes a finite amount of athletic 6’6” 320 pound guys… god makes lots of 6’2” guys.

We will all know soon.
I would add RT does seem easier to find later than LT.
There are plenty of good NFL RTs drafted after rd 1.
I think you run the equal risk of not getting a difference maker at RT or Edge as the rds get deeper.
Now I do agree that after Iheancor/Lomu/Miller there seems to be a big drop, but there could be guys that teams like more than the "expert" rankings. Maybe Burke or Crownover or Bowry....etc end up being 10 starters at RT.
You like DDS, so we are in 100000% agreement there. If we can get him in the 2nd, I'm all for RT at 31

 

[Real fan 02]

Dremont has started half a season worth of games last year and the year prior. He’s started a full season’s worth of games twice in his 9 year career. He was signed to keep Milton Williams healthy and from playing max snaps. He is Milton Williams-lite.

Moses is 35, he may not make it out of camp healthy. Campbell might continue to struggle. Vera-Tucker might break in the first five minutes. Offensive line is a big need.

Edge has some depth already.

I want Penn State DE Dani Dennis-Sutton in the second round… even if they have to trade back up to get him. I think he’s a first round grade player being slept on.

Just be aware that Vrabel said it aloud, in the first round he prefers big guys who can protect Drake Maye or big guys who collapse the pocket. I envision OL or DT.

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All those scenarios could very well happen as well as Landry possibly retiring as well. Remember Reggie Wayne, tory Holt, Bruschi retired in camp/preseason as well.

So it's not out the realm of possibility when it's 90 degrees and heat pounding down on you for a veteran to say that's it!

I loved the Jones pick up because he's a 3 down player and that is who Vrabel wants.. the more you can do as a player the more valuable you are. Chaisson was a liability against the run. Jennings was a force against the run but not much of a rusher.. those guys were high character guys but weren't irreplaceable.

We haven't had a pure high production drafted edge since Chandler Jones.. we thought we had one with flash in the pan uche.

It's time to get the edge right and it needs to start next week.

 

[Wozzy]

We will all know soon.
I would add RT does seem easier to find later than LT.
There are plenty of good NFL RTs drafted after rd 1.
I think you run the equal risk of not getting a difference maker at RT or Edge as the rds get deeper.
Now I do agree that after Iheancor/Lomu/Miller there seems to be a big drop, but there could be guys that teams like more than the "expert" rankings. Maybe Burke or Crownover or Bowry....etc end up being 10 starters at RT.
You like DDS, so we are in 100000% agreement there. If we can get him in the 2nd, I'm all for RT at 31

We can all get what we want according to the draft simulator.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

We can all get what we want according to the draft simulator.

I would gladly take that.
I would probably take 3 different players with the last 3 picks.
I like Gyllenborg, Koziol or Villari over Hibner.
Just personal presence, Hibner could be better than those 3.

 

[n1997y]

Agreed, but there might be 3-4 good OT starters in a draft class versus 10-15 or more edge players in a draft class.

Most of those tackles are found in the first two rounds. The edge players are found in every round. By the time a college tackle leaves school, it he was a standout at a small school he has already hit the transfer portal and ended up at a major program. You can find great athletic edge players from tiny schools, like Elijah Ponder from Cal Poly-San Obispo.

I’m summation…. god makes a finite amount of athletic 6’6” 320 pound guys… god makes lots of 6’2” guys.

Yes.
Some 6’5” or 6’6” guys are Vederian Lowes.
Some are Thayer Munfords.

And some 6’1” guys are Tedi Bruschis.

 

[n1997y]

Why is it easier to find RTs than LTs?
They both should be 6’6” and 330.
Could it be there’s more than just size required?

We will all know soon.
I would add RT does seem easier to find later than LT.
There are plenty of good NFL RTs drafted after rd 1.
I think you run the equal risk of not getting a difference maker at RT or Edge as the rds get deeper.
Now I do agree that after Iheancor/Lomu/Miller there seems to be a big drop, but there could be guys that teams like more than the "expert" rankings. Maybe Burke or Crownover or Bowry....etc end up being 10 starters at RT.
You like DDS, so we are in 100000% agreement there. If we can get him in the 2nd, I'm all for RT at 31

 

[n1997y]

try to keep up

the discussion is; if there are 7 OT's taken before #31, and a stud edge is there at #31, do you jump on him?
it appears other posters argue that they would prefer an OT with a grade well below rd #1
of course you prefer to argue about Ponder, because you prefer to argue

It seems some would rather argue OTs…

 

[Wozzy]

Yes.
Some 6’5” or 6’6” guys are Vederian Lowes.
Some are Thayer Munfords.

And some 6’1” guys are Tedi Bruschis.

Vederian Lowe = 6th round
Thayer Munford = 7th round

Bruschi was an inside linebacker, not an edge player. He was also taken in the 3rd round.

I think you just reaffirmed my take, not refuted it.

 

[rkarp1]

@DoubleDeluxe @rkarp1

Couldn't haven't said it better! I'll add to your excellent post that all we have to do is look at what Vrabel's done thus far he moved on from chassion, Jennings guys that played big roles last season.

Those moves were intentional he's adding guys that are impactful and 3 down players like Dre Jones... those are the guys he's targeting in the draft. Dre Jones isn't coming off the field.

look, I can be 100% on board with an OT, if at #31 1 of the 7 that have been discussed as being worthy at #31 is still there.
short of that, if a stud edge is there, I seriously have to go that route.
it's a 4-5 year investment, and Jones and Landry are 30 yrs old.
I also see the OL group usually playing every snap (if healthy) and see DL playing in that 45-75% snap area

Bruinz and myself already qualified that a first round graded tackle like Blake Miller or Max Iheanachor would have to be sitting there to justify the pick. But you indicate we don’t need a tackle even if that’s the case… it’s what you’ve been saying for multiple pages now.

Conversely you think Landry who hasn’t turned 30 yet is toast despite the fact he was on a torrid sack per game pace last year and Ponder, who the LB’ers coach called a ridiculous athlete and the best UDFA he’s ever seen is somehow a jag…. because you prefer edge in the first round.

Meanwhile 35 year old Morgan Moses can be expected to play 20+ games again, Vera-Tucker who is made of glass will stay healthy and Will Campbell won’t keep getting smoked by speed off the edge.

Sounds legit….

I have posted 2 times on this very thread (as well as others) that I would be fine with an OT, as long as he had a 1st round grade from the team. Otherwise, I have spoken to drafting Bowry in the 3rd (doubtful he is there with out a trade up)

Landry is 30 years old in June, and now has had 2 knee injuries


in language that cannot be more clear, even for you; I am fine with OT at #31 as long as it is one of the top 7 OT's. if it is not, jump on an edge if the team loves him. period. the end.

stop arguing with everyone

 

[jimnance]

my reading comprehension is more than adequate, tyvm. Better than most I would say, if I don't care about being humble... and I don't at the moment... So, go back to your original post? why? I know what it says... I think you need to go read bruinz posts again... figure it out ... it ain't that hard...

"BPA" is ass ... BPA with context of needs? Is how it should be done...

the whole BPA thing is something that cropped up when it was spun out by the talking heads on draft shows - a term that has leeched into the lexicon of todays sports fans... you know, the same the talking heads, who, for the most part, can't spell cat if you spotted them the C & the T

Wow. You really dont understand how good teams have always built through the draft.
You sound like the ones that need to be spotted not only a C and a T but the A as well. And you still couldn't spell it.
Im done with you

 

[Real fan 02]

look, I can be 100% on board with an OT, if at #31 1 of the 7 that have been discussed as being worthy at #31 is still there.
short of that, if a stud edge is there, I seriously have to go that route.
it's a 4-5 year investment, and Jones and Landry are 30 yrs old.
I also see the OL group usually playing every snap (if healthy) and see DL playing in that 45-75% snap area

I have posted 2 times on this very thread (as well as others) that I would be fine with an OT, as long as he had a 1st round grade from the team. Otherwise, I have spoken to drafting Bowry in the 3rd (doubtful he is there with out a trade up)

Landry is 30 years old in June, and now has had 2 knee injuries


in language that cannot be more clear, even for you; I am fine with OT at #31 as long as it is one of the top 7 OT's. if it is not, jump on an edge if the team loves him. period. the end.

stop arguing with everyone

Very good. It's seemingly going to come down to based draft metrics and predictions and opinions BPA at #31 provided they stay put. Ot depth is definitely a need how edge is priority for the Very reasons you mentioned age&injury are never good for an NFL player no matter what position.

So the depth for sure is severely lacking. You'd ideally like a starter at #31 whomever that may be. My case for edge I've stated and been consistent on.. while I'm absolutely open to taking the OT if he's worth it!

The pass rush is severely lacking and is another reason why we lost the superbowl as well. Getting the ball back to Drake inside the opponents 50 or 40 from a sack on 3rd down or a sack fumble or INT becuase of the pass rush significantly helps the offense.

I'll use Denver and Houston prime examples of what those pass rushes are able to do for the offenses.. you want the offense on the field for as many scoring opportunities as possible.