Gronkowski May Have Put Himself in Harms Way For Rematch With Bills

[mosslost]

Well, he definitely put White in harm's way, that is for sure.

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@TB12TheGoat what don't you like? You support his attack?

 

[Wordsmyth]

Then again, that's why they're the Toronto Jills of Buffalo.

 

[pwes]

Against Gronk, it's pure brilliance. He's faster than he looks on film, he's 6'7", and he's as strong as a Bull. The zebras won't call it every time. Hell, yesterday they weren't calling it at all. Why not interfere with him on almost every play?

Despite what Gronk did this definitely needs to be brought up to the league and reminders sent to the Refs about calling this **** fairly. I have no doubt that every other team is going to try this now in hopes of getting away with it since the Refs seem to overlook it.

 

[Brewskies]

Against Gronk, it's pure brilliance. He's faster than he looks on film, he's 6'7", and he's as strong as a Bull. The zebras won't call it every time. Hell, yesterday they weren't calling it at all. Why not interfere with him on almost every play?

Yesterday the zebras call him for something he didn't do. But it was a cheap wrestling shot.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Are any Bills players still on the team from last years incident with Jacoby?

Robert Blanton is working at Chik-Fil-A

Aaron Williams is at Wendy's

Corey Graham plays for the Iggles

 

[Brewskies]

oh it happens. Pay back happens, even in baseball for crying out loud.

The fans want pay back

 

[Simpelton]

When you've got a guy like Gronkowski who is very hard to bring down, the league's going to go easier on defenders who make some gray area moves. We saw Travis Kelce famously throw a tantrum to the refs in a similer situation a few years back because he got facemasked and the refs let it go. Big muscular guys who can break tackles, the league is going to go easier on defenders who get "creative" in finding ways to bring them down.

So it's a question of either holding up the game and changing the outcome to charge defenders for every little ticky tack call on a guy like that in complete disregard of THEIR emotions, or let a few things go as long as the big guy isn't getting hurt.

It's probably not fair, but refs are human beings too, they know the defensive guys are playing as hard as they can and a guy who can muscle his way out of triple coverage, the defense is going to get desperate to find a way to deal with that. It's one of those "enforcing the letter of the rules or managing the tone of the game" decisions a ref should never have to make in an ideal world, but sometimes does.

The point is, this has been happening to Gronk his whole career. I don't blame him for flipping out, but I do blame him for doing it in a way that hurt another NFL player and possibly put him in concussion protocol, and I would understand up to a 3 game suspension on this guy for that deliberate, unnecessary, absolutely avoidable contact with clear intent to hurt if not injure. Losing your cool and injuring another player is NEVER OK, no matter how frustrated you are. If that hurts the Patriots in the long run -- well, Gronk should have kept his cool, shouldn't he? Refs or no refs, what he did is 100% on him.

This is the Patriots, you do your job and leave the rest to the team, you absolutely don't take it upon yourself to do this kind of thing here, no one should know that better than Gronk.

 

[Brewskies]

BB rushed into the field to meet the other coach to apologize to him directly. BB was pissed with the cheap shot.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Despite what Gronk did this definitely needs to be brought up to the league and reminders sent to the Refs about calling this **** fairly. I have no doubt that every other team is going to try this now in hopes of getting away with it since the Refs seem to overlook it.

Gronk was wrong and is accountable for what he did but the refs certainly don't help matters by allowing him to be accosted downfield every week.

The officials need to be mandated that Gronk should be treated like every other receiver and not like Shaquille O'Neil.

Along with whatever punishment he gets, someone like BB/Jonathan MUST have a discussion with the head of officiating and tell his people to do their jobs right.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Tre-Devious should come out and say, "yeah, I played Gronk really tight (cough cough) and he got mad, but he served his penalty (assuming there is at least a fine and probably worse, coming down the pike today) and we should all move on. It's just football."

F that. White shouldn't say that at all. He was on the ground, on his stomach, out-of-bounds, defenseless, and someone blasted him from behind with no warning and nailed him hard in the head. That's not football. That's dirty cheapshotting. And you would have been going bananas if someone did that to, say, Butler.

 

[RobertWeathers]

F that. White shouldn't say that at all. He was on the ground, on his stomach, out-of-bounds, defenseless, and someone blasted him from behind with no warning and nailed him hard in the head. That's not football. That's dirty cheapshotting. And you would have been going bananas if someone did that to, say, Butler.

If the situation were reversed and Gronk was lying on his tummy defenseless and Sergio Brown gave Gronk a Peoples Elbow right on the lower back this board would demand he be banned forever.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

regardless of whether white was holding him all game, Gronk can’t do that.

 

[IllegalContact]

the bad calls against gronk are a separate issue and if he tries to bring that up at his disciplinary hearing/appeal, it will not go well for him......bringing up frustration is one thing but bringing up the refs will not fly

 

[Simpelton]

BB rushed into the field to meet the other coach to apologize to him directly. BB was pissed with the cheap shot.

He should be.

Gronk's a big fella, if he doesn't know that power comes with responsibility by now, I don't know what to say. When he flips out like that he can hurt a guy worse than most football players can. As a big fella myself, I know that I have a greater ability to hurt people than an average person, sometimes without even meaning to and I need to control myself accordingly. If Gronk doesn't know that he sure as hell ought to.

I don't even care if White turns out to be fine, that was absolutely immature, unprofessional and inexcusable to risk his health in that way. He came down with all his weight on the back of a smaller player and made elbow contact to the back of the head while it was nearly in contact to the ground. You could have taken his career away. You could have taken his life away. You could have broken his goddamn neck. And just because you were pissed at one ref's call? I don't care that he is one of the greatest players to put on a Pats uniform. I'm fine with the league throwing the book at Gronkowski over this, exactly because if some cheap chump did this to a Patriot, I'd sure as HELL want all the precedent in the world to throw the book at that player too.

 

[Kontradiction]

Despite what Gronk did this definitely needs to be brought up to the league and reminders sent to the Refs about calling this **** fairly. I have no doubt that every other team is going to try this now in hopes of getting away with it since the Refs seem to overlook it.

Going to? That's the way teams have been defending him all season long. His frustration simply came to a boiling point yesterday. Meanwhile, he gets flagged for engaging with a defender within five yards of the LoS before breaking away and not even extending his arms in the least.

 

[Kontradiction]

He should be.

Gronk's a big fella, if he doesn't know that power comes with responsibility by now, I don't know what to say. When he flips out like that he can hurt a guy worse than most football players can. As a big fella myself, I know that I have a greater ability to hurt people than an average person, sometimes without even meaning to and I need to control myself accordingly. If Gronk doesn't know that he sure as hell ought to.

I don't even care if White turns out to be fine, that was absolutely immature, unprofessional and inexcusable to risk his health in that way. You could have taken his career away. You could have taken his life away. And just because you were pissed at one ref's call. I don't care that he is one of the greatest players to put on a Pats uniform. I'm fine with the league throwing the book at Gronkowski over this, exactly because if some cheap chump did this to a Patriot, I'd sure as HELL want all the precedent in the world to throw the book at that player too.

Gronk should absolutely be ashamed of himself for that. That was a cheap shot. No two ways about it. But this also needs to be a wake up call to the league. Gronk wasn't, and hasn't been, officiated fairly all season long. From Week 1 on, defenses have been allowed to get away with doing things to him (I've seen defenders flat out hug him from beyond 5 yards away from the LoS and not get called) that they would never be able to get away with doing to anyone else. KC employed that against ASJ yesterday and was flagged accordingly. The league either needs to be rid of the Polian rules changes if they're going to officiate Gronk like that and let every team do it or they need to adhere to those rules and throw the flag accordingly when they see it. I'm glad White wasn't seriously injured and I hope this goes to serve notice to the league that they shouldn't officiate Gronk any differently than anyone else purely because of that size that you mention.

 

[mosslost]

He should be.

Gronk's a big fella, if he doesn't know that power comes with responsibility by now, I don't know what to say. When he flips out like that he can hurt a guy worse than most football players can. As a big fella myself, I know that I have a greater ability to hurt people than an average person, sometimes without even meaning to and I need to control myself accordingly. If Gronk doesn't know that he sure as hell ought to.

I don't even care if White turns out to be fine, that was absolutely immature, unprofessional and inexcusable to risk his health in that way. He came down with all his weight on the back of a smaller player and made elbow contact to the back of the head while it was nearly in contact to the ground. You could have taken his career away. You could have taken his life away. You could have broken his goddamn neck. And just because you were pissed at one ref's call? I don't care that he is one of the greatest players to put on a Pats uniform. I'm fine with the league throwing the book at Gronkowski over this, exactly because if some cheap chump did this to a Patriot, I'd sure as HELL want all the precedent in the world to throw the book at that player too.

seems some of our Pats fans would be madder if he broke his forearm on White's helmet than if he broke White's neck. Rediculous to not completely comdemn his attack on White. And it sis absurd to talk about any holding or PI as a catalyst.

 

[mosslost]

Gronk wasn't, and hasn't been, officiated fairly all season long.

irrelevant to the situation at hand

 

[Kontradiction]

irrelevant to the situation at hand

Those events preceded Gronk giving White the People's Elbow. Of course they're relevant.

 

[Simpelton]

Gronk should absolutely be ashamed of himself for that. That was a cheap shot. No two ways about it. But this also needs to be a wake up call to the league. Gronk wasn't, and hasn't been, officiated fairly all season long. From Week 1 on, defenses have been allowed to get away with doing things to him (I've seen defenders flat out hug him from beyond 5 yards away from the LoS and not get called) that they would never be able to get away with doing to anyone else. KC employed that against ASJ yesterday and was flagged accordingly. The league either needs to be rid of the Polian rules changes if they're going to officiate Gronk like that and let every team do it or they need to adhere to those rules and throw the flag accordingly when they see it. I'm glad White wasn't seriously injured and I hope this goes to serve notice to the league that they shouldn't officiate Gronk any differently than anyone else purely because of that size that you mention.

It's the size that's the cause of the problem. When you have a guy who can beat triple coverage reliably, when there's no legal way to defend against what he can do to a defense, the refs are GOING to let ticky tack stuff go on that player.

They do need to get better about calling clear violations of course, but what you don't want as a ref is defenders getting so frustrated about not being able to cover Gronk within the rules that they take the law into their own hands and start going for the knees. So you let them have the gray area stuff to give them some kind of outlet short of wiping out a player's season.

It's a lesser of two evils thing, it's not OK, but as an NFL fan you kind of have to accept and deal with the fact that it needs to happen with certain players. Gronk is one I know it happens to, Travis Kelce is another, and neither of them like it very much but I think they'd like the alternative even less. I know Gronk's had his knees targeted more than once as it is, if defenses start thinking it's the only way he's going to get stopped... well, teams want to win games don't they?