Patriots Player Departure Gronk trade completed

[DaBruinz]

The talent is there for them to do great, but not sure about the coaching...

To add to this, one of the knocks on Arians was that his offense doesn't use TEs well. So, with 3 extremely talented TEs (for the time being) one has to wonder how they'll spread the ball around.

 

[Uptown]

 

[Joey007]

I mean Jason La Canfora’s report so consider it faulty.

 

[Biffins]

Belichick was the coach during those Super Bowls. I'd say he probably deserves some credit, mate.

Unless, of course, you're saying Brady was the only reason we won those championships and the rest of the roster and coaching staff doesn't matter. If that is the case, then why didn't we win this past year with Brady?

What are you saying? Any season Brady doesn’t win SB he failed?

 

[Biffins]

Are we sure Stidham is a “scrub”? Way too premature imo to say either way.

And don’t gimme that noise about the tiny sample size where he had the pick 6. Brady was horrendous in a few games when he started - I mean he was literally “please hurry back Drew” bad. Not just picks but those deep throws where the cheerleaders would have to duck out of the way.

Seemed to work out well in the end for him. I’m willing to give Stidham a chance if the Patriots are.

How good is Stidham when Pats FO is wooing Andy Dalton?

 

[TommyD4207]

How good is Stidham when Pats FO is wooing Andy Dalton?

More like Andy Dalton's Agent is trying to woo Jacksonville, and using the perceived hole at QB for New England as 'leverage'.

 

[sb1]

What are you saying? Any season Brady doesn’t win SB he failed?

Brady gets drafted by any other team than the pats then he is probably out of the league and forgotten a long time ago.

Coaching had as much to do with our success as the QB did.

 

[Biffins]

Brady gets drafted by any other team than the pats then he is probably out of the league and forgotten a long time ago.

Coaching had as much to do with our success as the QB did.

You’re right, since BB was already a head coaching star when Brady became QB and not just another HC coming off a 5–11 season on the first year of his second gig, when his unceremonious 4 year stint on his first gig as HC had been 6 years earlier and struggled to get any HCing interest since.

BB was a nobody and probably one more 5-11 season from being booted by Kraft.

 

[sb1]

You’re right, since BB was already a head coaching star when Brady became QB and not just another HC coming off a 5–11 season on the first year of his second gig, when his unceremonious 4 year stint on his first gig as HC had been 6 years earlier and struggled to get any HCing interest since.

BB was a nobody and probably one more 5-11 season from being booted by Kraft.

I wouldn’t say he was a nobody. He had 2 rings as a DC and one of his game plans that shut down the high powered Bills in the Super Bowl is in Canton.

Thats 2 more rings than Brady would have gotten if he was picked by another team. QBs in the draft who throw 4 yard passes for a living are a dime a dozen. If Brady was that awesome at the time he would have been gone a lot higher than 199. Brady needed Bill to be GOAT and vice versa.

 

[PatsWSB47]

I wouldn’t say he was a nobody. He had 2 rings as a DC and one of his game plans that shut down the high powered Bills in the Super Bowl is in Canton.

Thats 2 more rings than Brady would have gotten if he was picked by another team. QBs in the draft who throw 4 yard passes for a living are a dime a dozen. Brady needed Bill to be GOAT and vice versa.

So Brady was just a dime a dozen quarterback with out Belichick?

 

[sb1]

So Brady was just a dime a dozen quarterback with out Belichick?

Im saying he would have been out of the league years ago without Belichick. Only one coach would have given him a shot and thankfully he did.

 

[Biffins]

I wouldn’t say he was a nobody. He had 2 rings as a DC and one of his game plans that shut down the high powered Bills in the Super Bowl is in Canton.

Thats 2 more rings than Brady would have gotten if he was picked by another team. QBs in the draft who throw 4 yard passes for a living are a dime a dozen. If Brady was that awesome at the time he would have been gone a lot higher than 199. Brady needed Bill to be GOAT and vice versa.

What are you taking about? Weis has 3 SB rings as OC - sucks as HC, Crennel has 3 as DC - sucks as HC, Josh has 3 as OC - sucks as HC, Patricia has 2 SB ring as DC - sucks as HC. All these coordinators had same or more SB rings as BB did and suck ass as HC since they don’t have Tom frickin Brady at QB.

SB rings as coordinators are only good for getting you a HC gig. After that your record as HC is what matters. You can’t keep pointing to your 2 SB rings as a coordinator in the 80s while pulling out 5-11 seasons in the 90s or in 2000 or onwards. Patriots started 0-2 before Brady became starter and I am sure if we had ended 5-11 again I think BB would have been fired.

 

[sb1]

What are you taking about? Weis has 3 SB rings as OC - sucks as HC, Crennel has 3 as DC - sucks as HC, Josh has 3 as OC - sucks as HC, Patricia has 2 SB ring as DC - sucks as HC. All these coordinators had same or more SB rings as BB did and suck ass as HC since they don’t have Tom frickin Brady at QB.

Yeah but you called Bill a nobody before Brady. Not true. I wouldn’t call any of those guys “nobodies” either. Also only Bill has a game plan in the HOF.

SB rings as coordinators are only good for getting you a HC gig. After that your record as HC is what matters. You can’t keep pointing to your 2 SB rings as a coordinator in the 80s while pulling out 5-11 seasons in the 90s or in 2000 or onwards. Patriots started 0-2 before Brady became starter and I am sure if we had ended 5-11 again I think BB would have been fired.

If you’re saying Brady made Bill well we’re about to find out aren’t we. Unlike Bill- Brady would really end up as a “nobody” and long forgotten if the Patriots and Bill didn’t pick him in the draft. Guys with “system QB” called out in their draft profile tend not to get a shot in this league. Only one coach would have and you know who he is.

 

[Biffins]

Im saying he would have been out of the league years ago without Belichick. Only one coach would have given him a shot and thankfully he did.

Revisionist history.

BB didn’t give Brady a shot. BB the GM signed Bledsoe to a 10 year $100m contract making him the highest paid QB in NFL, locking our fate to Bledsoe’s performance.

BB was bailed out after Bledsoe got injured. If Bledsoe hadn’t gotten injured, Patriots might well have had a losing season, BB might have been booted, and next HC might have jettisoned Brady like e.g. Chargers lost Brees before they knew what they had and Brady might have had that career somewhere else.

BB got lucky that Bledsoe had that injury, Tom got thrust into the role, proved himself capable to the extent we had a fairy tale SB run with Brady leading an iconic game winning FG drive with a minute left and giving BB enough justification to trade away Bledsoe’s 10 year $100m contract to the Bills for first round pick in return.

BB got lucky, plain and simple. He picked Brady in 6th round, THEN re-signed his franchise QB for a mega deal, then had a catastrophic injury to the said franchise QB and the discovered he had the greatest NFL player in history in that 6th round pick a year earlier.

 

[sb1]

Revisionist history.

BB didn’t give Brady a shot. BB the GM signed Bledsoe to a 10 year $100m contract making him the highest paid QB in NFL, locking our fate to Bledsoe’s performance.

BB was bailed out after Bledsoe got injured. If Bledsoe hadn’t gotten injured, Patriots might well have had a losing season, BB might have been booted, and next HC might have jettisoned Brady like e.g. Chargers lost Brees before they knew what they had and Brady might have had that career somewhere else.

BB got lucky that Bledsoe had that injury, Tom got thrust into the role, proved himself capable to the extent we had a fairy tale SB run with Brady leading an iconic game winning FG drive with a minute left and giving BB enough justification to trade away Bledsoe’s 10 year $100m contract to the Bills for first round pick in return.

BB got lucky, plain and simple. He picked Brady in 6th round, THEN re-signed his franchise QB for a mega deal, then had a catastrophic injury to the said franchise QB and the discovered he had the greatest NFL player in history in that 6th round pick a year earlier.

Sure he gave him a shot. What other coach would bench their $100 M guy after he got healthy for the 6th round draft pick that was holding his own? What else would you call it?

There was plenty of talk too that Brady would have taken Drew’s job either way it was a matter of time.

The odds of Brady getting that shot somewhere else is too low to be taken seriously.

 

[Biffins]

Yeah but you called Bill a nobody before Brady. Not true. I wouldn’t call any of those guys “nobodies” either. Also only Bill has a game plan in the HOF.

All these guys are nobodies as far as their credentials as HC are concerned, which is my whole point.

If you’re saying Brady made Bill well we’re about to find out aren’t we. Unlike Bill- Brady would really end up as a “nobody” and long forgotten if the Patriots and Bill didn’t pick him in the draft. Guys with “system QB” called out in their draft profile tend not to get a shot in this league. Only one coach would have and you know who he is.

Brees or Favre were given away by their first teams. Talent always comes through. I can’t imagine a world where Brady ends up as nobody. He’s a winner.

For BB it was just a twin case of serendipity and fortuitousness.

 

[Biffins]

Sure he gave him a shot. What other coach would bench their $100 M guy after he got healthy for the 6th round draft pick that was holding his own? What else would you call it?

There was plenty of talk too that Brady would have taken Drew’s job either way it was a matter of time.

More revisionist history. Show me one quote article about Brady threatening to take the role from Bledsoe BEFORE Bledsoe’s injury. There are infact none.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

More revisionist history. Show me one quote article about Brady threatening to take the role from Bledsoe BEFORE Bledsoe’s injury. There are infact none.

Tom told his workout buddy in the off season that he wanted to take the starting job from Drew.

Of course his friend was skeptical. Especially after Kraft gave Bledsoe the richest contract in NFL history.

Anyway, no one else on planet Earth - except, maybe, Galynn - anticipated this.

 

[MainePatsFan26]

What are you saying? Any season Brady doesn’t win SB he failed?

I'm saying that it requires a solid effort from the coaching staff, players, and front office to win a Super Bowl. It seems some on here believe we won those titles almost exclusively because of Brady. When people have that mindset, they are alluding to the idea that any year we don't win a title is because Brady didn't do enough since he is THE reason we win or lose titles. That outlook dismisses the contributions of role players and coaches in putting together a successful championship run.

A great counterpoint to this outlook can be seen with the past two Super Bowls. We lost to the Eagles when Brady was playing the game of his life. And we won against the Rams with an offense -- and Brady performance -- less potent than an old man who forgot his Viagra.

 

[sb1]

I'm saying that it requires a solid effort from the coaching staff, players, and front office to win a Super Bowl. It seems some on here believe we won those titles almost exclusively because of Brady. When people have that mindset, they are alluding to the idea that any year we don't win a title is because Brady didn't do enough since he is THE reason we win or lose titles. That outlook dismisses the contributions of role players and coaches in putting together a successful championship run.

A great counterpoint to this outlook can be seen with the past two Super Bowls. We lost to the Eagles when Brady was playing the game of his life. And we won against the Rams with an offense -- and Brady performance -- less potent than an old man who forgot his Viagra.

That’s right. The Pats won a SB with Brady throwing for 145 yards passing and the Broncos where Fivehead had 141 passing. Wins and rings are a team accomplishment not a QB accomplishment. Always was and always will be.

In baseball you can credit pitchers for wins because pitching means everything to a games’s outcome. Not football.