Groh not Wolf led the 2021 draft

[Ring 6]

Compared to 10 other AFC teams, sure you can.

Only if you base everything on flashy signings, which we should know by now isn’t the way to be right.

 

[captain stone]

Only if you base everything on flashy signings, which we should know by now isn’t the way to be right.

No, it's based on the fact that 10 if not 11 AFC teams are better than us right now.

 

[Zuma]

No, it's based on the fact that 10 if not 11 AFC teams are better than us right now.

For the past 20 years…every team has been better then us in April.

 

[captain stone]

For the past 20 years…every team has been better then us in April.

That no longer applies... And we all know the Reason why it doesn't.

 

[Zuma]

That no longer applies... And we all know the Reason why it doesn't.

Ja'Wrong ****ing Bentley ?

 

[Ring 6]

No, it's based on the fact that 10 if not 11 AFC teams are better than us right now.

That is a ridiculous statement.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

That is a ridiculous statement.

talent/names wise it's
broncos
chargers
chiefs
titans
colts
bills
miami
browns
bengals

you could argue that titans colts chargers raiders might be equal to us

 

[Ring 6]

talent/names wise it's
broncos
chargers
chiefs
titans
colts
bills
miami
browns
bengals

you could argue that titans colts chargers raiders might be equal to us

So you are down to 5, at best, proving it’s a ridiculous statement

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

So you are down to 5, at best, proving it’s a ridiculous statement

down to 5 at least, not at best
at worst it's down to 9/10 easily

especially if you cant ravens in as well with healthy lamar

 

[Ring 6]

down to 5 at least, not at best
at worst it's down to 9/10 easily

especially if you cant ravens in as well with healthy lamar

It’s a ridiculous statement. We both know that. Why not just say 15? It’s as reasonable.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

It’s a ridiculous statement. We both know that. Why not just say 15? It’s as reasonable.

there are even talent wise to some teams. I think raiders chargers colts titans ravens patriots are somewhat at the same level.
Draft, injuries and our offense development with mac will determine if we have the edge to those teams imo

 

[Sicilian]

It's too early to have strong arguments about which teams are better. It's fine to have opinions based on what's done so far, but no one should be getting angry about it either way. We're not even 50% of the way through the moves these teams are going to make to change their rosters.

 

[Ring 6]

there are even talent wise to some teams. I think raiders chargers colts titans ravens patriots are somewhat at the same level.
Draft, injuries and our offense development with mac will determine if we have the edge to those teams imo

It’s a ridiculous statement.
How do you seriously judge 53 man rosters to be “even”?
With that ability you would have more money than Bezos with your gambling wins and BFL teams would be fighting to outbid each other to hire you to tell them how to build a roster.
The patriots won 10 games and are on the upswing by every indication.
The problem here is that the same people making these comments Edie Ted them to win 5 games last year and have spent all off season arguing they werent as good as their results.
When you are on the side of people who, when facing facts that dispute their opinions, argue the facts are misleading, you should find someone else to admire.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

It’s a ridiculous statement.
How do you seriously judge 53 man rosters to be “even”?

judge by expected talent/playmakers on both sides of the ball, not the 53 roster, i don't care about their 2nd string players.

With that ability you would have more money than Bezos with your gambling wins and BFL teams would be fighting to outbid each other to hire you to tell them how to build a roster.
The patriots won 10 games and are on the upswing by every indication.

yes, this can be said about many other afc teams as well

The problem here is that the same people making these comments Edie Ted them to win 5 games last year and have spent all off season arguing they werent as good as their results.

what does this mean?

When you are on the side of people who, when facing facts that dispute their opinions, argue the facts are misleading, you should find someone else to admire.

so when you say our offense was like 6th in scoring and that kind of stuff, i think we can all agree our offense wasn't even close to be the 6th best offense. The passing game isn't even close to what other offenses do. This is a misleading stat yes.

 

[Ring 6]

judge by expected talent/playmakers on both sides of the ball, not the 53 roster, i don't care about their 2nd string players.

yes, this can be said about many other afc teams as well

what does this mean?

so when you say our offense was like 6th in scoring and that kind of stuff, i think we can all agree our offense wasn't even close to be the 6th best offense. The passing game isn't even close to what other offenses do. This is a misleading stat yes.

You explained why you are wrong. Games are won in the trenches.

What “many” teams are on the upswing? Based upon what?

“Expected”

How can the points an offense score be misleading?
Do you really think that “passing better” and scoring less points makes a better offense? How?
6th ranked in the most important category and 6th best aren’t necessarily the same thing but they are very close. Turnovers should be factored in. But no, “more playmakers” scoring less points is not a better offense. I honestly can’t believe that is a debate.

Look at it this way.
You have your opinion of what offense is better than another.
Then they go out on the forks and play football. With a goal of scoring points.
If an offense is better at that than where you rank them that doesn’t mean you are right and their performance is “misleading” it means the performance is fact and your opinion was proven wrong.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I'm here to pile on the Pats weren't the 6th best offense in the NFL. Look who they played.

3-7 including playoffs against winning teams. Averaging 18 points a game and I could be adding defensive TD's which skews it further.

They were an average offense. The bubble's been burst.

 

[skinnydog]

Scouts provide reports on players. There is rarely ever a player that all scouts agree upon completely.
The decision makers weighs the opinions of the scouts and makes a decision.
The scout doesn’t make a pick and the decision maker “overrules it”.

Harry was almost unanimously viewed as a late 1 early 2.
The decision is made by the decision maker based upon
Film
Scouting reports
Interviews
Background checks
Etc.

To suggest that the patriots scouts told belichick Harry is a terrible pick and he said I don’t care I liked him in the interview, is exhibiting a severe lack of critical thinking skills.

I don’t recall many predictions or WR rankings placing Harry in the first round. Most evaluations of Harry listed separation, quickness, top end speed and ability against man coverage as weaknesses. The problem with the Harry pick was not the round he was chosen, but how many other much better WRs were drafted shortly after Harry. Also, I think I remember the talk about why BB overruled his scouts, was not an impressive interview with Harry, but that BB trusted the recommendation of Harry’s college coach over his own scouts.

 

[skinnydog]

The #1 reason why their drafts were perceived as sub-par.

When teams always go deep in the playoffs, they typically pick in the bottom of drafts and the %s of landing starting -caliber players lessens.

Ironic how the year after they go 7-9 they have a solid draft

The reason they came across as sub par is that from top to bottom, the drafts rarely produced quality players For several years.

 

[RobertWeathers]

The reason they came across as sub par is that from top to bottom, the drafts rarely produced quality players For several years.

Not accurate

 

[Ring 6]

I'm here to pile on the Pats weren't the 6th best offense in the NFL. Look who they played.

3-7 including playoffs against winning teams. Averaging 18 points a game and I could be adding defensive TD's which skews it further.

They were an average offense. The bubble's been burst.

You are wrong.