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Read it in one of the many speculative articles.

It's possible I bet they're kicking themselves for picking up Howard's 5th year, given his injury and the arrival of Gronk.

 

[Ivan]

Great job with this thread Long Distance!! Very informative. Looking forward to more reading once we get closer to f/a and the draft. I'll chime
in every now and again, but great job!!

Yep, this is a really good thread. I’m really interested in how this off-season is going to shake out, and I think QB is the canary in the coal mine. How Belichick addresses the position seems to me to be the indicator of what direction he’s going in. If he’s willing to pay the price for Garrapolo (e.g.) then he believes the rest of the roster is competitive enough to build to contender status quickly, if it’s Brissett and Stidham then it’s time to clear out veterans for cap room and go for a significant rebuild.

 

[p8ryts]

It's possible I bet they're kicking themselves for picking up Howard's 5th year, given his injury and the arrival of Gronk.

Yes it thought there was a surplus and Brate would be odd man out.

 

[long distance]

DL - POOL

Some have already opened DL discussion @patsinthesnow @micronin127 @ashley1992 @patsfanfromoversea
This one should indeed be interesting since there is not much left on the roster and was a patchwork for several years now under tighter cap.
We all feel its time to make it a position of strength again and there should be plenty good options to do it.
This is just interior DL, EDGE will follow. Comments on this will follow as well but feel free to jump in - plenty to choose from
@BaconGrundleCandy @reamer & others deeper in Draft can comment/sort out the Draft/UDFA section..


NE ROSTER

99Cowart (25,2022,$0,9), 52Spence (29,2021,$2), 94B.Allen (29,2021,$3), 76M.Barnett (24,2022,$0,8
92Thurman (26,futures), 97Murray (24,futures)


NE FREE AGENTS

93Guy (31, $4.3)
70A.Butler (27, $3.3)
98C.Davis (NT,29)


FREE AGENTS top market: 22M-apy 2021 proj. FT=13.3M


L.Williams, 27, NYG (6’5-302) [PFF:20] — FT 19.4
-->Tomlinson, 27, NYG (6’3-317) [PFF:10-13]
> Shelby Harris, 30, DEN (6’3-300) [PFF:11/1/3 in 2020]
-->Derek Wolfe, 31, BAL (6’5-285) (+run/rush) (NEint) [PFF:2/14]
Rankins, 28, NO (6’2-305) (?2019.achil/2020MCL) [PFF:2/14]
Suh, 34, TB [7] — TB
Kawann Short, 32, CAR (6’3-310) (2y.inj.shoulder) (8.6) — cut —
->Casey, 32, DEN (6’1-305) (11.8) (BB+) (torn.biceps.w3.1y) — cut —
->NT DaQuan Jones, 30, TEN (6’4-322) [PFF:2/14]
Guy, 31, NE [PFF:1/7]
->Urban, 30, CHI (6’7-300)
->Robertson-Harris, 28, CHI (6’7-294)
Abry Jones, 30, JAX (6’4-318)
->DJ Jones, 27, SF (6’0-321)
Alualu, 34, PIT (6’3-304) [PFF:1/6]
Mike Daniels, 32, CIN (6’0-310)
NT J.Jenkins, 32, CHI (6’3-327)
McLendon, 36, TB (6’3-310)
NT D Harrison, 33, GB (6’3-353) (low 2 seas)
NT Peters, 33, ARI (6’3-335)
->Austin Johnson, 27, NYG (6’4-314) (depth)
->Wormley, 28, PIT (6’5-300;Michigan/BAL; all-line:5T>NT; anchor/leverage/athl?) > Guy
Covington, 28, CIN (6’2-305) (+run/gap;depth;Cowart)
Godschaux, 27, MIA (6’3-315) (biceps.OCT) (+2-gap;lower under Flores)
Ogunjobi, 27, CLE (6’3-305) (-run/LOS) [OTC: 5]
->Solomon Thomas, 26, SF (6’2-280) (+run,reclamation)
->DeMarcus Walker, 27, DEN (6’4-280) (rota->Butler)
A.Butler, 27, NE (6’4-300)— NE
->NT Hankins, 29, LV (6’2-325) (depth)
->NT Ellis, 30, BAL (6’2-334) (depth)
Ridgeway, 27, PHI (6’3-305) (?run) (biceps.OCT)
Maliek Collins, 26, LV (6’2-308) (-run)
Crawford, 32, DAL (6’4-290)
Montravius Adams, 26, GB (6’4-304) (depth)
NT Ankou, 27, DAL (6’3-325) (TC/backup) —
Jaleel Johnson, 27, MIN (6’3-316)
Vanderdoes, 27, LV (6’4-305) — cut —
Woodrow Hamilton, 28, CAR — cut —
D.Irving, 28, LV (6’7-290) — DET, IND — re-signed LV - 1y/1M


POSSIBLE CUTS / TRADE OPTIONS

—>[Tuitt, 28, PIT (9,0,9,9//5.7/9-J2)
->[Hargrave, 28, PHI (6’2-305-exPIT) (down.y@PHI) (12.8,13//5.4/12.8-J2) — ?trade
->[Brockers, 31, LAR (6’5-305) (+run&rush) (Donald.effect?) (6.5, 7.5) — possible cut —
—>[Goldman, 27, CHI (6’4-320) (opt-out) (4.8,8.8,9.2/4.9-J2) — post june/next yr
->[Richardson, 31, CLE (6’3-294) (11.5) — possible cut —
—>[Onyemata, 29, NO (6’4-300) (7, 7.5) - poss trade
->[A.Hicks, 32, CHI (6’5-332) (10.5*) — possible cut —
->[DL Dunlap, 32, SEA (6’6-280) (14) — possible cut —
->[J.Reed, 29, SEA (6’3-306) (9/9) — possible cut —
[Atkins, 33 CIN (6’1-300) (shoulder.DEC) (9.5) — possible cut —
[Linval Joseph, 33, LAC (6’4-330) (8) — possible cut —
->[NT B.Williams, 32, BAL (4.5/7.5) — likely cut/trade —
->[Gholston, 30, TB (6’6-280) (0-5T+gap/run) (5.5) > Guy — possible cut/trade —
->[H.Anderson, 30, NYJ (6’6-300) (+run) (8.2) — possible cut —
->[M.Brown, 28, NO (6’2-320) (5) (rot)— likely cut —
[Malik Jackson, 31, PHI (6’5-290) — likely cut —
[Q.Jefferson, 28, BUF (6’4-290) (+pres;inj.h) (8) — possible cut —
[Nick Williams, 31, DET (6’4-297) (4.7) — possible cut —
[Lowry, 27, GB (6’6-296) (3.3) — possible cut —
[Shelton, 28, DET (6’2-345) (4) — possible cut —
[V.Butler, 27, BUF (6’4-330) (6.8) — possible cut —


DRAFT

DL *Christian Barmore #58 ALA (6’5-310) - 1
DL Levi Onwuzurike #95 Washington (6’2-290) - 2
DT Daviyon Nixon #94 Iowa (6’3-305) - 2
DT Alim McNeill #29 NC St (6’2-340>320) - 2/3
DL Osa Odighizuwa #92 UCLA (6’2-280-84“-34“-11“) - 2/3
DT Marvin Wilson #21 FSU (6’3-320) - D2/D3
DL Tommy Togiai #72 Ohio St (6’2-300) - D2/D3
DT *Jay Tufele #78 USC (6’3-315) - D2/D3
NT *Tyler Shelvin #72 LSU (6’3-346) - D2/D3
DL Cameron Sample #5 Tulane (6’2-274) - D3
DL *Jaylen Twyman #97 Pitt (6’2-290) - D3
NT *Bobby Brown #5 Texas A&M (6’4-325) - D3
DT Marlon Tuipulotu #51 USC (6’1-308) - D3
DL *Milton Williams #97 Louisiana T (6’4-280/290) - D3


UDFA

NT Quinton Bohana #95 Kentucky (6’4-357)
NT Tedarrell Slaton #56 Florida (6’5-358)
DT Khyris Tonga #95 BYU (6’4-321)
DT Naquan Jones #93 Michigan St (6’3-330)
DT Jerome Johnson #98 Indiana (6’2-304)
DL Malik Herring #10 Georgia (6’3-283)
DL Ta’Quon Graham #49 Texas (6’3-290-85“-35“-11“)
DL Jared Goldwire #90 Louisiana (6’5-305)
DT Jack Heflin #96 Iowa (6’3-306)
DL Phil Hoskins #92 Kentucky (6’5-302) -
NT Jordon Scott #34 Oregon (6’1-322) - /BGC


[PFF:2/14] = projected apy contract (2021 cap hit 20-40% lower) - projections are not mine..
(6.9,6.3,6.3) = cap hits of remaining contract yrs. black is guaranteed, grey not gtd
(11.5) = cap savings
FT = Franchise Tag

 

[luuked]

DL - POOL

Some have already opened DL discussion @patsinthesnow @micronin127 @ashley1992 @patsfanfromoversea
This one should indeed be interesting since there is not much left on the roster and was a patchwork for several years now under tighter cap.
We all feel its time to make it a position of strength again and there should be plenty good options to do it.
This is just interior DL, EDGE will follow. Comments on this will follow as well but feel free to jump in - plenty to choose from
@BaconGrundleCandy @reamer & others deeper in Draft can comment/sort out the Draft/UDFA section..


NE ROSTER

99Cowart (25,2022,$0,9), 52Spence (29,2021,$2), 94B.Allen (29,2021,$3), 76M.Barnett (24,2022,$0,8
92Thurman (26,futures), 97Murray (24,futures)


NE FREE AGENTS

93Guy (31, $4.3)
70A.Butler (27, $3.3)
98C.Davis (NT,29)


FREE AGENTS top market: 22M-apy 2021 proj. FT=13.3M


L.Williams, 27, NYG (6’5-302) [PFF:20] — FT 19.4
-->Tomlinson, 27, NYG (6’3-317) [PFF:10-13]
> Shelby Harris, 30, DEN (6’3-300) [PFF:11/1/3 in 2020]
-->Derek Wolfe, 31, BAL (6’5-285) (+run/rush) (NEint) [PFF:2/14]
Rankins, 28, NO (6’2-305) (?2019.achil/2020MCL) [PFF:2/14]
Suh, 34, TB [7] — TB
Kawann Short, 32, CAR (6’3-310) (2y.inj.shoulder) (8.6) — cut —
->Casey, 32, DEN (6’1-305) (11.8) (BB+) (torn.biceps.w3.1y) — cut —
->NT DaQuan Jones, 30, TEN (6’4-322) [PFF:2/14]
Guy, 31, NE [PFF:1/7]
->Urban, 30, CHI (6’7-300)
->Robertson-Harris, 28, CHI (6’7-294)
Abry Jones, 30, JAX (6’4-318)
->DJ Jones, 27, SF (6’0-321)
Alualu, 34, PIT (6’3-304) [PFF:1/6]
Mike Daniels, 32, CIN (6’0-310)
NT J.Jenkins, 32, CHI (6’3-327)
McLendon, 36, TB (6’3-310)
NT D Harrison, 33, GB (6’3-353) (low 2 seas)
NT Peters, 33, ARI (6’3-335)
->Austin Johnson, 27, NYG (6’4-314) (depth)
->Wormley, 28, PIT (6’5-300;Michigan/BAL; all-line:5T>NT; anchor/leverage/athl?) > Guy
Covington, 28, CIN (6’2-305) (+run/gap;depth;Cowart)
Godschaux, 27, MIA (6’3-315) (biceps.OCT) (+2-gap;lower under Flores)
Ogunjobi, 27, CLE (6’3-305) (-run/LOS) [OTC: 5]
->Solomon Thomas, 26, SF (6’2-280) (+run,reclamation)
->DeMarcus Walker, 27, DEN (6’4-280) (rota->Butler)
A.Butler, 27, NE (6’4-300)— NE
->NT Hankins, 29, LV (6’2-325) (depth)
->NT Ellis, 30, BAL (6’2-334) (depth)
Ridgeway, 27, PHI (6’3-305) (?run) (biceps.OCT)
Maliek Collins, 26, LV (6’2-308) (-run)
Crawford, 32, DAL (6’4-290)
Montravius Adams, 26, GB (6’4-304) (depth)
NT Ankou, 27, DAL (6’3-325) (TC/backup) —
Jaleel Johnson, 27, MIN (6’3-316)
Vanderdoes, 27, LV (6’4-305) — cut —
Woodrow Hamilton, 28, CAR — cut —
D.Irving, 28, LV (6’7-290) — DET, IND — re-signed LV - 1y/1M


TRADE OPTIONS/CUTS

—>[Tuitt, 28, PIT (9,0,9,9//5.7/9-J2)
->[Hargrave, 28, PHI (6’2-305-exPIT) (down.y@PHI) (12.8,13//5.4/12.8-J2) — ?trade
->[Brockers, 31, LAR (6’5-305) (+run&rush) (Donald.effect?) (6.5, 7.5) — possible cut —
—>[Goldman, 27, CHI (6’4-320) (opt-out) (4.8,8.8,9.2/4.9-J2) — post june/next yr
->[Richardson, 31, CLE (6’3-294) (11.5) — possible cut —
—>[Onyemata, 29, NO (6’4-300) (7, 7.5) - poss trade
->[A.Hicks, 32, CHI (6’5-332) (10.5*) — possible cut —
->[DL Dunlap, 32, SEA (6’6-280) (14) — possible cut —
->[J.Reed, 29, SEA (6’3-306) (9/9) — possible cut —
[Atkins, 33 CIN (6’1-300) (shoulder.DEC) (9.5) — possible cut —
[Linval Joseph, 33, LAC (6’4-330) (8) — possible cut —
->[NT B.Williams, 32, BAL (4.5/7.5) — likely cut/trade —
->[Gholston, 30, TB (6’6-280) (0-5T+gap/run) (5.5) > Guy — possible cut/trade —
->[H.Anderson, 30, NYJ (6’6-300) (+run) (8.2) — possible cut —
->[M.Brown, 28, NO (6’2-320) (5) (rot)— likely cut —
[Malik Jackson, 31, PHI (6’5-290) — likely cut —
[Q.Jefferson, 28, BUF (6’4-290) (+pres;inj.h) (8) — possible cut —
[Nick Williams, 31, DET (6’4-297) (4.7) — possible cut —
[Lowry, 27, GB (6’6-296) (3.3) — possible cut —
[Shelton, 28, DET (6’2-345) (4) — possible cut —
[V.Butler, 27, BUF (6’4-330) (6.8) — possible cut —


DRAFT

DL *Christian Barmore #58 ALA (6’5-310) - 1
DL Levi Onwuzurike #95 Washington (6’2-290) - 2
DT Daviyon Nixon #94 Iowa (6’3-305) - 2
DT Alim McNeill #29 NC St (6’2-340>320) - 2/3
DL Osa Odighizuwa #92 UCLA (6’2-280-84“-34“-11“) - 2/3
DT Marvin Wilson #21 FSU (6’3-320) - D2/D3
DL Tommy Togiai #72 Ohio St (6’2-300) - D2/D3
DT *Jay Tufele #78 USC (6’3-315) - D2/D3
NT *Tyler Shelvin #72 LSU (6’3-346) - D2/D3
DL Cameron Sample #5 Tulane (6’2-274) - D3
DL *Jaylen Twyman #97 Pitt (6’2-290) - D3
NT *Bobby Brown #5 Texas A&M (6’4-325) - D3
DT Marlon Tuipulotu #51 USC (6’1-308) - D3
DL *Milton Williams #97 Louisiana T (6’4-280/290) - D3


UDFA

NT Quinton Bohana #95 Kentucky (6’4-357)
NT Tedarrell Slaton #56 Florida (6’5-358)
DT Khyris Tonga #95 BYU (6’4-321)
DT Naquan Jones #93 Michigan St (6’3-330)
DT Jerome Johnson #98 Indiana (6’2-304)
DL Malik Herring #10 Georgia (6’3-283)
DL Ta’Quon Graham #49 Texas (6’3-290-85“-35“-11“)
DL Jared Goldwire #90 Louisiana (6’5-305)
DT Jack Heflin #96 Iowa (6’3-306)
DL Phil Hoskins #92 Kentucky (6’5-302) -
NT Jordon Scott #34 Oregon (6’1-322) - /BGC


[PFF:2/14] = projected apy contract (2021 cap hit 20-40% lower) - projections are not mine..
(6.9,6.3,6.3) = cap hits of remaining contract yrs. black is guaranteed, grey not gtd
(11.5) = cap savings
FT = Franchise Tag

I want Guy back more than Butler and I love Butler. But Guy just seems like one of those players that gets it and considerably more often than not does his job no matter what his role in that week is.

I still vividly remember him being visibly upset that the refs spotted the ball wrong, deep in the fourth quarter in that blowout against the Jets in that meaningless final game.

I guarantee that 50% of all players on that field were already on vacation mentally. He was pissed at the refs.

In more general, unspecific terms.. after being caught with our pants down against the run when Beau Allen never made it back last season, I wouldn't be shocked if BB allocates more resources into a run stopper this year so history doesn't repeat itself. Cowart and Davis had some admirable attempts but there needs to be more consistency.

Not being able to dictate the game clock often made the life twice as difficult on the offense. That's one of the ways to fix it.

 

[long distance]

I want Guy back more than Butler and I love Butler. But Guy just seems like one of those players that gets it and considerably more often than not does his job no matter what his role in that week is.

I still vividly remember him being visibly upset that the refs spotted the ball wrong, deep in the fourth quarter in that blowout against the Jets in that meaningless final game.

I guarantee that 50% of all players on that field were already on vacation mentally. He was pissed at the refs.

In more general, unspecific terms.. after being caught with our pants down against the run when Beau Allen never made it back last season, I wouldn't be shocked if BB allocates more resources into a run stopper this year so history doesn't repeat itself. Cowart and Davis had some admirable attempts but there needs to be more consistency.

Not being able to dictate the game clock often made the life twice as difficult on the offense. That's one of the ways to fix it.

I saw BB much more frustrated with run defence than offence so ill be very surprised if he doesn't address this aggressively.

It was not all on IDL, maybe even more on depleted LB losing all 4 starters, also setting the edge was iffy at best so a lot of work w front 6/7. The only bright spot was Dugger in star role cleaning up what he could.

Id like Guy back as well and his cost should be very reasonable, but would bring him back as 2-3rd rotational piece and move him around the line like Baltimore did or Pats did with Branch/Shelton and Brown around.

Looking at M.Brown in NO he became more productive in more rotational/limited role and that should be better for Guy as well who started declining a bit.

NE was known for heavy rotations after prime Wilfork and thats when the units were at their best so i hope for return of that with no one above 50% (one of the reasons Hicks didn't want to come back ironically)

I see Butler as the odd man out as well. I was pushing for getting him as UDFA and was confident he could make the team, have impact, but he just did not develop further. He remained very limited as 3-T on passing downs. They tried to bulk him up, expand his availability on early downs, 5-T but nothing materialized it seems. If he can't get a decent gig elsewhere they might bring him back on vet min or a bit more for TC. Some people expect he gets a decent contract (over 5M apy) but i can't see it. Counting many good DLs that will be cut in the next days this is a sneaky deep pool and good contracts will run out quickly this year and on other positions.

Cutting Beau and seriously upgrading top DL dog should be the move although they can afford to bring him to TC. C.Davis could also be back on vet min for TC.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

I want Guy back more than Butler and I love Butler. But Guy just seems like one of those players that gets it and considerably more often than not does his job no matter what his role in that week is.

Which interior 3 down/ or interior Passing down DT would you sign? If Butler leaves we have no pass rush from this position. I'd love to resign Guy as well, would like to see Butler back as well, cause I think you can get both of them back cheaper together than idk a Leonard Williams type of stud. Shelby Harris maybe but he is expected to get 10 Million. I think we are fine with Butler and Guy as long as we get a reliable NT and DE from the 5-Tech who can stuff the run and offer third down interior pressure.

I still vividly remember him being visibly upset that the refs spotted the ball wrong, deep in the fourth quarter in that blowout against the Jets in that meaningless final game.

I guarantee that 50% of all players on that field were already on vacation mentally. He was pissed at the refs.

In more general, unspecific terms.. after being caught with our pants down against the run when Beau Allen never made it back last season, I wouldn't be shocked if BB allocates more resources into a run stopper this year so history doesn't repeat itself. Cowart and Davis had some admirable attempts but there needs to be more consistency.

Not being able to dictate the game clock often made the life twice as difficult on the offense. That's one of the ways to fix it.

Agree 100 %

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

I saw BB much more frustrated with run defence than offence so ill be very surprised if he doesn't address this aggressively.

It was not all on IDL, maybe even more on depleted LB losing all 4 starters, also setting the edge was iffy at best so a lot of work w front 6/7. The only bright spot was Dugger in star role cleaning up what he could.

Yeah Guy was mostly alone stuffing the run since our DE were giving up the edge several times due to overcomitting/discipline etc. I have hope HT will improve our run defense a lot. I don't remember which trade it was but there were a few films where HT took over O-Linemen in 1 vs. 1 against outside zone runs i think and the guy who uploaded it wrote sth like, why not play LB like HT at the Nose these times in modern nfl. So really impressive stuff from HT there, huge upgrade of our last year LB.

Id like Guy back as well and his cost should be very reasonable, but would bring him back as 2-3rd rotational piece and move him around the line like Baltimore did or Pats did with Branch/Shelton and Brown around.

Looking at M.Brown in NO he became more productive in more rotational/limited role and that should be better for Guy as well who started declining a bit.

NE was known for heavy rotations after prime Wilfork and thats when the units were at their best so i hope for return of that with no one above 50% (one of the reasons Hicks didn't want to come back ironically)

I see Butler as the odd man out as well. I was pushing for getting him as UDFA and was confident he could make the team, have impact, but he just did not develop further. He remained very limited as 3-T on passing downs. They tried to bulk him up, expand his availability on early downs, 5-T but nothing materialized it seems. If he can't get a decent gig elsewhere they might bring him back on vet min or a bit more for TC. Some people expect he gets a decent contract (over 5M apy) but i can't see it. Counting many good DLs that will be cut in the next days this is a sneaky deep pool and good contracts will run out quickly this year and on other positions.

Cutting Beau and seriously upgrading top DL dog should be the move although they can afford to bring him to TC. C.Davis could also be back on vet min for TC.

I hope we upgrade him as well or at least bring in another reliable NT which is not Carl Davis with his numerous concussions. I'd like to have two NT there for rotation as you said, but neither Allen after this year or Davis would make me feel uncomfortable for the whole season to play. I have to admit Davis looked fine in the short amount of playing time but too risky for me to depend on. Could be TC as you mentioned of course for sure.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

DL - POOL

Some have already opened DL discussion @patsinthesnow @micronin127 @ashley1992 @patsfanfromoversea
This one should indeed be interesting since there is not much left on the roster and was a patchwork for several years now under tighter cap.
We all feel its time to make it a position of strength again and there should be plenty good options to do it.
This is just interior DL, EDGE will follow. Comments on this will follow as well but feel free to jump in - plenty to choose from
@BaconGrundleCandy @reamer & others deeper in Draft can comment/sort out the Draft/UDFA section..


NE ROSTER

99Cowart (25,2022,$0,9), 52Spence (29,2021,$2), 94B.Allen (29,2021,$3), 76M.Barnett (24,2022,$0,8
92Thurman (26,futures), 97Murray (24,futures)


NE FREE AGENTS

93Guy (31, $4.3)
70A.Butler (27, $3.3)
98C.Davis (NT,29)


FREE AGENTS top market: 22M-apy 2021 proj. FT=13.3M


L.Williams, 27, NYG (6’5-302) [PFF:20] — FT 19.4
-->Tomlinson, 27, NYG (6’3-317) [PFF:10-13]
> Shelby Harris, 30, DEN (6’3-300) [PFF:11/1/3 in 2020]
-->Derek Wolfe, 31, BAL (6’5-285) (+run/rush) (NEint) [PFF:2/14]
Rankins, 28, NO (6’2-305) (?2019.achil/2020MCL) [PFF:2/14]
Suh, 34, TB [7] — TB
Kawann Short, 32, CAR (6’3-310) (2y.inj.shoulder) (8.6) — cut —
->Casey, 32, DEN (6’1-305) (11.8) (BB+) (torn.biceps.w3.1y) — cut —
->NT DaQuan Jones, 30, TEN (6’4-322) [PFF:2/14]
Guy, 31, NE [PFF:1/7]
->Urban, 30, CHI (6’7-300)
->Robertson-Harris, 28, CHI (6’7-294)
Abry Jones, 30, JAX (6’4-318)
->DJ Jones, 27, SF (6’0-321)
Alualu, 34, PIT (6’3-304) [PFF:1/6]
Mike Daniels, 32, CIN (6’0-310)
NT J.Jenkins, 32, CHI (6’3-327)
McLendon, 36, TB (6’3-310)
NT D Harrison, 33, GB (6’3-353) (low 2 seas)
NT Peters, 33, ARI (6’3-335)
->Austin Johnson, 27, NYG (6’4-314) (depth)
->Wormley, 28, PIT (6’5-300;Michigan/BAL; all-line:5T>NT; anchor/leverage/athl?) > Guy
Covington, 28, CIN (6’2-305) (+run/gap;depth;Cowart)
Godschaux, 27, MIA (6’3-315) (biceps.OCT) (+2-gap;lower under Flores)
Ogunjobi, 27, CLE (6’3-305) (-run/LOS) [OTC: 5]
->Solomon Thomas, 26, SF (6’2-280) (+run,reclamation)
->DeMarcus Walker, 27, DEN (6’4-280) (rota->Butler)
A.Butler, 27, NE (6’4-300)— NE
->NT Hankins, 29, LV (6’2-325) (depth)
->NT Ellis, 30, BAL (6’2-334) (depth)
Ridgeway, 27, PHI (6’3-305) (?run) (biceps.OCT)
Maliek Collins, 26, LV (6’2-308) (-run)
Crawford, 32, DAL (6’4-290)
Montravius Adams, 26, GB (6’4-304) (depth)
NT Ankou, 27, DAL (6’3-325) (TC/backup) —
Jaleel Johnson, 27, MIN (6’3-316)
Vanderdoes, 27, LV (6’4-305) — cut —
Woodrow Hamilton, 28, CAR — cut —
D.Irving, 28, LV (6’7-290) — DET, IND — re-signed LV - 1y/1M


TRADE OPTIONS/CUTS

—>[Tuitt, 28, PIT (9,0,9,9//5.7/9-J2)
->[Hargrave, 28, PHI (6’2-305-exPIT) (down.y@PHI) (12.8,13//5.4/12.8-J2) — ?trade
->[Brockers, 31, LAR (6’5-305) (+run&rush) (Donald.effect?) (6.5, 7.5) — possible cut —
—>[Goldman, 27, CHI (6’4-320) (opt-out) (4.8,8.8,9.2/4.9-J2) — post june/next yr
->[Richardson, 31, CLE (6’3-294) (11.5) — possible cut —
—>[Onyemata, 29, NO (6’4-300) (7, 7.5) - poss trade
->[A.Hicks, 32, CHI (6’5-332) (10.5*) — possible cut —
->[DL Dunlap, 32, SEA (6’6-280) (14) — possible cut —
->[J.Reed, 29, SEA (6’3-306) (9/9) — possible cut —
[Atkins, 33 CIN (6’1-300) (shoulder.DEC) (9.5) — possible cut —
[Linval Joseph, 33, LAC (6’4-330) (8) — possible cut —
->[NT B.Williams, 32, BAL (4.5/7.5) — likely cut/trade —
->[Gholston, 30, TB (6’6-280) (0-5T+gap/run) (5.5) > Guy — possible cut/trade —
->[H.Anderson, 30, NYJ (6’6-300) (+run) (8.2) — possible cut —
->[M.Brown, 28, NO (6’2-320) (5) (rot)— likely cut —
[Malik Jackson, 31, PHI (6’5-290) — likely cut —
[Q.Jefferson, 28, BUF (6’4-290) (+pres;inj.h) (8) — possible cut —
[Nick Williams, 31, DET (6’4-297) (4.7) — possible cut —
[Lowry, 27, GB (6’6-296) (3.3) — possible cut —
[Shelton, 28, DET (6’2-345) (4) — possible cut —
[V.Butler, 27, BUF (6’4-330) (6.8) — possible cut —


DRAFT

DL *Christian Barmore #58 ALA (6’5-310) - 1
DL Levi Onwuzurike #95 Washington (6’2-290) - 2
DT Daviyon Nixon #94 Iowa (6’3-305) - 2
DT Alim McNeill #29 NC St (6’2-340>320) - 2/3
DL Osa Odighizuwa #92 UCLA (6’2-280-84“-34“-11“) - 2/3
DT Marvin Wilson #21 FSU (6’3-320) - D2/D3
DL Tommy Togiai #72 Ohio St (6’2-300) - D2/D3
DT *Jay Tufele #78 USC (6’3-315) - D2/D3
NT *Tyler Shelvin #72 LSU (6’3-346) - D2/D3
DL Cameron Sample #5 Tulane (6’2-274) - D3
DL *Jaylen Twyman #97 Pitt (6’2-290) - D3
NT *Bobby Brown #5 Texas A&M (6’4-325) - D3
DT Marlon Tuipulotu #51 USC (6’1-308) - D3
DL *Milton Williams #97 Louisiana T (6’4-280/290) - D3


UDFA

NT Quinton Bohana #95 Kentucky (6’4-357)
NT Tedarrell Slaton #56 Florida (6’5-358)
DT Khyris Tonga #95 BYU (6’4-321)
DT Naquan Jones #93 Michigan St (6’3-330)
DT Jerome Johnson #98 Indiana (6’2-304)
DL Malik Herring #10 Georgia (6’3-283)
DL Ta’Quon Graham #49 Texas (6’3-290-85“-35“-11“)
DL Jared Goldwire #90 Louisiana (6’5-305)
DT Jack Heflin #96 Iowa (6’3-306)
DL Phil Hoskins #92 Kentucky (6’5-302) -
NT Jordon Scott #34 Oregon (6’1-322) - /BGC


[PFF:2/14] = projected apy contract (2021 cap hit 20-40% lower) - projections are not mine..
(6.9,6.3,6.3) = cap hits of remaining contract yrs. black is guaranteed, grey not gtd
(11.5) = cap savings
FT = Franchise Tag

I'm looking at this list and feeling confident we can really help our DL in one season from the looks of the list. Both FA & draft look deep.

*other possible trade options*
I brought them up before but what about Daron Payne or Jon Allen? Washington has decisions to make on both. Neither are on a long term deal and both are up soon. I would offer up our 2nd for Allen and possibly Payne since he's on a cheap deal the next two years. I believe Kerrigan (olb/rush) is on the table and who knows about Settle? Anyway either one would go a long way.

In fact how about we pair one (Allen/Payne) with Williams or Harris? Resign Butler or Guy and we don't have to reach in rounds one or two in the draft.

Round three options in draft if we wanted to go there. Possible prospects there ... Adding just one of these guys. Shelvin, Togiai, McNeill, one of the USC boys and Bobby Brown..

If Brockers, Hicks, Goldman, Shelton, Short were available/interested in coming here I would consider each at a decent but nothing outrageous price. We could set our IDL by adding one of these guys.

How about 46/171 for Allen. One of Harris, Hicks, Daniels or Short. Then one of Goldman, Butler or Guy.

We'd have to pay two of Allen/Payne, Williams/ Harris but we'd have a very good DL. Add Butler and let's say McNeill or Bobby Brown from the draft and we have some real potential there. Run/Pass, all of those guys are solid for their respected positions.

Add Milano and we are in a great position. Very flexible. We don't have to go defense until round 3 or 4. We can take the BPA or w/e offensive player we want at 15. Trade back or into next year.

 

[luuked]

Which interior 3 down/ or interior Passing down DT would you sign? If Butler leaves we have no pass rush from this position. I'd love to resign Guy as well, would like to see Butler back as well, cause I think you can get both of them back cheaper together than idk a Leonard Williams type of stud. Shelby Harris maybe but he is expected to get 10 Million. I think we are fine with Butler and Guy as long as we get a reliable NT and DE from the 5-Tech who can stuff the run and offer third down interior pressure.

I'd be satisfied with Butler. I think he is still underrated and has his moments even when he is forced to not just rush. Just not consistently. As weird as it sounds I didn't think our rush was among any top issues last year. To me it was much more about how rarely got into likely passing downs on 3rd which had a big trickle down effect on the value of a stacked secondary and anything that could be scheme up to create pressure.

I was just trying to make a point how much I like Guy.

The bottom line is that we need to figure out a way to stop the bleeding against the run on early downs and I would not be surprised if this was one of the first things on Bill's agenda when the coaches met up for their first meetings in 21.

I said it before but it reminds me a lot of that goal line package issue Mike Lombardi described in his book and how it was pointed out that fixing it was priority #1 in 2014 in the very first meeting of the season, led to the 3 corners package and paid off in what was essentially the last meaningful play of the SB against Seattle.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

I'd be satisfied with Butler. I think he is still underrated and has his moments even when he is forced to not just rush. Just not consistently. As weird as it sounds I didn't think our rush was among any top issues last year. To me it was much more about how rarely got into likely passing downs on 3rd which had a big trickle down effect on the value of a stacked secondary and anything that could be scheme up to create pressure.

Exactly, third and short isn't a Winovich, Uche Situation. I can see our pass rush getting better with HT coming back, Uche hopefully taking a second year rise, Wino hopefully more consistent, so i worrie about the run defense more as well. There aren't many dominated forces upfront and most of the guys we had last year are back ups at best. Only Guy is dominating 1 vs 1 but he isn't enough. Cowart, Spence and those edge guys on early downs won't be enough.

I was just trying to make a point how much I like Guy.

The bottom line is that we need to figure out a way to stop the bleeding against the run on early downs and I would not be surprised if this was one of the first things on Bill's agenda when the coaches met up for their first meetings in 21.

I said it before but it reminds me a lot of that goal line package issue Mike Lombardi described in his book and how it was pointed out that fixing it was priority #1 in 2014 in the very first meeting of the season, led to the 3 corners package and paid off in what was essentially the last meaningful play of the SB against Seattle.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

I'm looking at this list and feeling confident we can really help our DL in one season from the looks of the list. Both FA & draft look deep.

*other possible trade options*
I brought them up before but what about Daron Payne or Jon Allen? Washington has decisions to make on both. Neither are on a long term deal and both are up soon. I would offer up our 2nd for Allen and possibly Payne since he's on a cheap deal the next two years. I believe Kerrigan (olb/rush) is on the table and who knows about Settle? Anyway either one would go a long way.

In fact how about we pair one (Allen/Payne) with Williams or Harris? Resign Butler or Guy and we don't have to reach in rounds one or two in the draft.

Round three options in draft if we wanted to go there. Possible prospects there ... Adding just one of these guys. Shelvin, Togiai, McNeill, one of the USC boys and Bobby Brown..

If Brockers, Hicks, Goldman, Shelton, Short were available/interested in coming here I would consider each at a decent but nothing outrageous price. We could set our IDL by adding one of these guys.

How about 46/171 for Allen. One of Harris, Hicks, Daniels or Short. Then one of Goldman, Butler or Guy.

We'd have to pay two of Allen/Payne, Williams/ Harris but we'd have a very good DL. Add Butler and let's say McNeill or Bobby Brown from the draft and we have some real potential there. Run/Pass, all of those guys are solid for their respected positions.

Add Milano and we are in a great position. Very flexible. We don't have to go defense until round 3 or 4. We can take the BPA or w/e offensive player we want at 15. Trade back or into next year.

I agree with the things you said but what i would like to see next season is a top tier DE, every down DE 5 tech-/ OLB who can stop the run and rush from the interior/outside. I think like the examples for IDL you mentioned would be good enough. A IDL existing of Guy, Butler, NT, Harris and Allen/Cowart/Davis for depth should be good. I like the trade options but only if we can't get a Harris type of penetrator as FA. I'd rather trade for a DE or use the money we would spent on Allen and Harris with Guy and Butler. I can't think of any DE/OLB from last year I would like to see as a consistent starter here, nor a three down DE. And since they are FA i think we might sign Simon/Calhoun on a cheap deal for depth, I can see Wise is leaving for another defense scheme, we badly need a stud there. I wouldn't mind Wolfe or Gholston( if cut), they wouldn't be the three down DE but at least offer better run stop to get Wino Uche in better situations. Hopefully Jennings can develop into an early down run stuffer role at OLB.
There are some DE/OLB guys from the draft I wouldn't mind either. I'd rather sign a DT and draft a DE here than the other way around in this draft class. (Assuming the value meets our draft spot). Kwity Paye, Phillips are top tier DE to me i'd draft them first round but Phillips due to injury only with a trade down. Later on I like Golston as you mentioned in the BGC thread.

 

[doesntmatter1]

I'm good with blowing up the entire front 7. None of them, including Guy, are that great against the run. Winovich, Uche, and Butler offer some pass rush but they don't scare anyone. I wouldn't re-sign any of our free agent dts/lb. Maybe give Terez Hall another shot.

I'm so glad Chung and Hightower are coming back.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I agree with the things you said but what i would like to see next season is a top tier DE, every down DE 5 tech-/ OLB who can stop the run and rush from the interior/outside. I think like the examples for IDL you mentioned would be good enough. A IDL existing of Guy, Butler, NT, Harris and Allen/Cowart/Davis for depth should be good. I like the trade options but only if we can't get a Harris type of penetrator as FA. I'd rather trade for a DE or use the money we would spent on Allen and Harris with Guy and Butler. I can't think of any DE/OLB from last year I would like to see as a consistent starter here, nor a three down DE. And since they are FA i think we might sign Simon/Calhoun on a cheap deal for depth, I can see Wise is leaving for another defense scheme, we badly need a stud there. I wouldn't mind Wolfe or Gholston( if cut), they wouldn't be the three down DE but at least offer better run stop to get Wino Uche in better situations. Hopefully Jennings can develop into an early down run stuffer role at OLB.
There are some DE/OLB guys from the draft I wouldn't mind either. I'd rather sign a DT and draft a DE here than the other way around in this draft class. (Assuming the value meets our draft spot). Kwity Paye, Phillips are top tier DE to me i'd draft them first round but Phillips due to injury only with a trade down. Later on I like Golston as you mentioned in the BGC thread.

I agree with PFFO. Bacon solved the IDL issue with his post but at too high a price (trading a 2nd to Washington). Not sure why guys are down on Beau Allen. Could be a nice 2nd or 3rd piece, and I would redo his contract downward. Add a top IDL in FA, add another in the 4th round, plus Guy. I think that would do the job while keeping our 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks.

Our 1st rounder has to Paye or a top 3down DE. BB grabs DEs in the 1st round, so let's get one. Plus a middling DE FA. And a top LB FA to go with Hightower.

So 2 Top FAs at DT and LB, 1 Middle FA at DE, our 1st on a DE and 4th on a DT, and sign Guy, restructure Allen, plus some filler guys, and I think we are all set.

 

[Ivan]

I checked Spotrac again to make sure I have this right, they only have Leonard Williams at 11.2 million per as his open market value, which seems low to me, but if he’s anywhere near that range they should jump all over it.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I agree with the things you said but what i would like to see next season is a top tier DE,

One of the reasons I mentioned Watt. I would make it a point to play him outside most of the time. Another guy in the draft that I think is on our board is Carlos Basham. He's a perfect fit here. Cam Sample. Payton Turner. All those guys are Pat-Type DE's.

every down DE 5 tech-/ OLB who can stop the run and rush from the interior/outside.

Bill has been playing a lot of our big boys at 4i lately taking on doubles while having HT take on a guard or center. Williams, Allen or Payne and Guy could fill those roles. The first three are about as decent rushers as we're getting realistically imo.

I think like the examples for IDL you mentioned would be good enough. A IDL existing of Guy, Butler, NT, Harris and Allen/Cowart/Davis for depth should be good. I like the trade options but only if we can't get a Harris type of penetrator as FA. I'd rather trade for a DE or use the money we would spent on Allen and Harris with Guy and Butler. I can't think of any DE/OLB from last year I would like to see as a consistent starter here, nor a three down DE.

I'm not sure we're using guys like Flowers, Wise etc enough strictly as DE's anymore. Bill is using and moving LB's around to create pressure. Maybe Judon. I definitely wouldn't mind him.

And since they are FA i think we might sign Simon/Calhoun on a cheap deal for depth, I can see Wise is leaving for another defense scheme, we badly need a stud there. I wouldn't mind Wolfe or Gholston( if cut), they wouldn't be the three down DE but at least offer better run stop to get Wino Uche in better situations. Hopefully Jennings can develop into an early down run stuffer role at OLB.
There are some DE/OLB guys from the draft I wouldn't mind either. I'd rather sign a DT and draft a DE here than the other way around in this draft class. (Assuming the value meets our draft spot). Kwity Paye, Phillips are top tier DE to me i'd draft them first round but Phillips due to injury only with a trade down. Later on I like Golston as you mentioned in the BGC thread.

I like Paye a lot but you're betting a lot on his upside. His tape is good but not quite top 15 worthy so again you're betting on his potential / upside. I wouldn't hate the pick at all. Love the prospect, slight reach on value but we have no one like him on the roster so I could see it.

I agree with PFFO. Bacon solved the IDL issue with his post but at too high a price (trading a 2nd to Washington).

I'm having a hard time thinking of someone we'd get in the 2nd round as good as Payne, definitely not Allen. I'd much rather spend a second on one of them than a 1st on Barmore for example. Getting one of Allen, Williams, Payne & Harris is exactly what this DL needs imo. Harris is very good run defender and pass rusher. 3T, 1T and would be great on our stunts.
One of Allen, Williams, Payne would be at 4i/5T/1T.
Butler or Guy wouldn't be expensive. Neither are commanding huge money. We could easily pass and replace both imo. I have np paying the other guys though. This team is missing really good players. And you have to pay for good, proven players. We'd have Payne on a cheap deal for two more years I believe so maybe we could get him or Allen at decent prices and not break the bank. You're paying decent money for Williams but at least know is a very good run defender, consistent, tough but you're absolutely getting better in an area we've struggled with.

And again big points are those guys fit from a scheme, problem area standpoint and would give us enormous flexibility in the draft.
I'd have np paying Milano. His skill set is rare and in high demand. Allen, Payne would be better value than we'd get at IDL in the 2nd round and Williams or Harris would really complete the IDL. Give me Milano , two of Allen, Payne, Williams and Harris and not only are big problems fixed. But think about those guys with HT, Wino, Uche, Dugger flying around from the line/second level. At a price but that front seven with our secondary looks much, much better imo.

Not sure why guys are down on Beau Allen. Could be a nice 2nd or 3rd piece, and I would redo his contract downward.

I've watched Allen on tape but can't for the life of me remember him making any plays while watching live ball. Maybe a third or fourth option but I know the guys I mentioned are fixing the problem. They've been very consistent and proven. Plus we got money.

Add a top IDL in FA, add another in the 4th round, plus Guy. I think that would do the job while keeping our 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks.

Our 1st rounder has to Paye or a top 3down DE. BB grabs DEs in the 1st round, so let's get one. Plus a middling DE FA. And a top LB FA to go with Hightower.

I mentioned a bunch of DE above that fit our mold. Golston is another one. There's 5-7 guys that fit that mold in the draft that will be available mid-late I believe.

So 2 Top FAs at DT and LB, 1 Middle FA at DE, our 1st on a DE and 4th on a DT, and sign Guy, restructure Allen, plus some filler guys, and I think we are all set.

I have no idea what I'm doing or talking about btw

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I checked Spotrac again to make sure I have this right, they only have Leonard Williams at 11.2 million per as his open market value, which seems low to me, but if he’s anywhere near that range they should jump all over it.

Absolutely. I think he's probably lower than the #'s I put out but he's coming off a 10+ sack season even though I doubt you get those numbers most of the time. Hes a very good run defender. I think he's more in the 15-17 per range. We'll see

 

[BTTA]

I love this stuff, but will now be disappointed if we don't somehow come up with 30 picks this year. I WANT THEM ALL.

udfa priorities
QB
Brady Davis - lots of arm talent- strength, placement & accuracy pop every game. Mobility & toughness - both mentally & physically. Battled back from multiple knee injuries, somewhat highly touted coming out of HS. Ended up at Illinois St after a short stint with Memphis. Definitely not a straight line to where he's at today. I could see him going round 4-5 or udfa







Colin Hill - 24 yo right about when the league starts up. Knees are probably shot. He's got an arm, tough as **** and shown some leadership throughout his time in college - some teammates & coaches really loved him, willing to stand in the pocket, taking plenty of hits, injuries... I've seen him take brutal hits and pop right up. Long shot, possible back up bc of everything he's been dealing with. If healthy, few things go a different way and he's a day two prospect. He can keep the trains running on time, moving the offense and can spin it if need be.



Shane Buechele - Man I love me some Buechele. Small, physical traits don't stand out and definitely don't overwhelm you. Such a gamer though not afraid of the moment. Love the way he operates for the most part - everything is quick. He knows what's going on and where he's going. Does have a decent arm though. Again not special but its got just enough live action. Nice deep passes. Can move the chains, operate your offense but he can move. He's mobile. He can buy time, scramble but also take off for yards. He's elusive for a QB.




TE - some guys stand out as udfa and some years you never know who'll end up there. Most years are like that lol. Anyway here's a few that could end up udfa TE.

Miller Forristall , Nick Eubanks - anyone that's ever watched them play has come away impressed with effort, toughness, willingness to jump in and do the dirty work in the run game. Both know their role and are quick to initiate contact.

https://twitter.com/timeoop/status/1338727050128060417?s=19

Noah Gray - I've been on a "let's turn smaller TE into versatile FB that can hurt you in the pass game" lately and I think Gray fits that mold if he can hold up as a blocker. He's a really decent, somewhat versatile rec threat. You can use him in the flat, seam/down field a bit off PA/misdirection. He took some reps as a FB at the SR Bowl I believe. Could have an uphill battle as full time anything TE. Could be a nice little project.

https://twitter.com/DevyDeepDive/status/1309144245270441984?s=19

LB Tuf Borland liability in the pass game. Offers next to nothing but he'll gladly accept CTE in order to play in the league. Good football IQ, awareness and tough as hell. Undersized at like 6 230 but he'll try to take on anyone. Situation project prospect

Amen Ogbongbemiga smart, said that a few times about a few guys but he's quick to ID what's going on. Don't see a lot of guessing. ST ability. Potential 3 down player. Plays a little bigger than his size 6'1 235. From Texas, moved to Canada before ending back down south. Really like him as a gamble late\udfa.

Riley Cole will be added to my list soon. He's a PTP. Quick, physical and finish. Can chase and run, stack and shed. Really like his potential as a second level defender. Has worked hard getting his body where it is. Came in light. He's a worker.

WR - there will be a ton of talent that end up udfa. A ton. Guys like Dax Milne, Tamm Terry, Jhamon Ausbon, Whop Philyor could all go round 3 or 7 or end up udfa. It's a such a deep class. With other positions of need no doubt some "names" could end up there.

I really like Whop Philyor. He's a tough cover, tough all-around player with return/slot skills. Really nice hand/eye coordination. YAC. Catches through contact. Can stretch the field a bit. Route savvy, knows how to manipulate the space around him. Use leverage. Love his attitude.

https://twitter.com/BenFennell_NFL/status/1329936346849357824?s=19

Terry has been known to get into with coaches. Attitude and off the field bs. He's 6'4 215 and can absolutely fly. I'm not in love with him but the talent and potential is there.

Dax Milne was Wilson go-to guy, favorite target. Former walk-on. Like Philyor he has + concentration and hand/eye coordination. + tracking ability for a little guy. Did a lot of work outside but should be slot next level, mostly I'd assumed. Very familiar and comfortable working back to the ball. Creating off Wilson's off-script stuff.

OL - James Hudson - anyone who's watched him sees the nasty demeanour and play style. Got him in trouble in his last game I believe. Tough tackle with strong hands/grip. Good movements, looks the part there. Plays a little high at times. Interesting prospect.

Sadarius Hutcherson - love his attitude and demeanour on the field. Played both G spots and LT. At times he flashes everything in all areas at times. + Motor & drive.

Tommy Kraemer - power pig RG with potential in certain systems. Bully type that survived in pass pro. I doubt he goes udfa but would be a priority bc of his versatility in the run game.


CB
DiCaprio Bootle - wasn't recruited heavily at all. Under the radar. Tough physically and mentally, + awareness vs pass/run and had his hands on a lot passes the past two years.

Marco Wilson - athletic CB with inside/outside versatility if he gets his **** together. Smooth mover but again he's a Florida boy. Needs a wake up call. Late-udfa could do it. I'll probably have a draftable grade on him but I could see a fall.

Shemar Jean Charles - been on my board for months but overvalued him a bit. Again another guy that could go anywhere from mid-udfa but that's the draft. One of the leaders from that defense. So many big plays that don't show up in terms of just being in the right place to prevent a big play. You can see the football IQ and awareness. Really in tune every play. Has some length. Not afraid to make a play. Lots of confidence and attitude.


RB
Gerrid Doaks - bull type of runner with soft feet. Runs hard!

CJ Marable - good power, some elusivness and rec ability. Good vision in close quarters, on tough short yard runs.

Caleb Huntley - throwback type. Could be a nice short yardage back. Patient let's the big guys work then he's making it work himself. Decent contact balance and ability to roll off halfass tackles.

DL - Shaka Toney is explosive at times. Can turn a corner and takes an extremely efficient path to the QB but he's like 6'2 230? Where are you playing next year, few months after the draft? If you have a spot, a plan and some weight to throw around then take him middle/late but I could see him falling in a good rush class. Pass rush specialist with potential off-the ball upside? Again lots of fun and some traits but size is a real factor here.

Jack Heflin - underachiever from Iowa with some position versatility at 6'4 310 if it clicks. Practice squad project.

Phil Hoskins - is a long shot. Just getting back to himself after a knee injury in 2019. Some academic issues. Big boy with some size and length. Actual considered going back for a 7th!!! year but college kicked him out. Another project with upside to move around if works out in any way. Legit udfa type. Flashed on a talented defense. His teammate Bohanna is another to keep an eye on. 6'4 350+.


Tarron Johnson - bigger end with good hands. Can shoot through gaps, hold up at poa. Maybe some upside rushing inside next level. Could go anywhere from mid-late but anything is possible. He's someone to know though. Decent prospect for sure.

Jordan Scott is someone else who could go mid-udfa. Strict run stuffer, 0/1 tech. Like Davis or Slaton he's one dimensional and not effecting the pass game.

S
Darrick Forrest - SS/Rover/LB versatility. That defense and secondary was fun and physical. Forrest is a decent little project - second level/MOF defender, he's everywhere at times. Seems like a worker on & off the field.

Tyree Gillespie - love his potential versatility next level. He'll be mostly a box defender but he's an athlete also. Physical, plays big and has np taking on bigger backs. I'd be surprised but not shocked if he goes udfa. He's be a priority though.

Aashari Crosswalk - knack for big plays since HS. Plays eyes but doesn't sell out. FS potential, on the smaller side. Not sure he's a single high guy but I like his style and would be a decent look if he goes udfa.


I know these guys are being linked to us but I've been on these guys for a minute now. Ask @long distance

Leonard Williams - 4/80 45 guareented. Consistent run defender with a little versatility. He's not a 10 sack guy but again very consistent and offers some versatility.

Shelby Harris - you should remember him from this past year. Offers pass rush and can play the run. + motor. He's be an upgrade over both Butler & Guy imo. 3/35 13 guareented

Matt Milano - should be here. Loved him coming out, had a 4th on him. Sure his run defense and tackling are inconsistent but he can actually cover RB/TE and there's only like 5 LB that can do that. Great in coverage. Local kid with great upbringing. Loves football. I would go 4/48 23 guaranteed

Haason Reddick - KVN role. Leave him on the line. Let him chase and cut off angles to the sidelines. Knife. Attack the QB. 2/13 type deal.

Curtis Samuel - Samuel has been underutilized since day one. It's not hard though. He's a nice slot option that can get down field and handle 2-3 carries a game. 3/27 17 guaranteed

I'd take back Guy or Butler on the cheap. If Watt or Hendrickson are available I'd pay for them in a second. Either one, Williams, Harris and Guy/Butler would be a huge upgrade. Add a one dimensional run stuffer through the draft and our DL & LB group is set if HT is back.
Sub could be fun. Didn't come out as expected. Basically Watt on the edge (where i want him for the most part) lined 6-7 tech. Harris & Williams inside at 3T and 4i. 2 of Wino, Reddick, Uche or HT as rushers. Milano, Dugger Wino or HT second level.
Watt Williams Harris
Reddick Wino
Milano HT
JC JJ Dugger Gilly

 

[long distance]

I checked Spotrac again to make sure I have this right, they only have Leonard Williams at 11.2 million per as his open market value, which seems low to me, but if he’s anywhere near that range they should jump all over it.

PFF has him at 20M apy probably going from his 19.4M potential FT. They (PFF) have Brad Spielberger from OTC doing this so its decent guess this will be the starting point. Don't know if @Miguel made a guesstimation on him yet.

I doubt he'd sign for half of Donald as top DL this year. I also doubt he'll get 20M apy even if top contract will be less affected bc the DL position could be. But teams will compete for him and i doubt BB will be outbidding at this position with plenty other good and much cheaper options.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I love this stuff, but will now be disappointed if we don't somehow come up with 30 picks this year. I WANT THEM ALL.

As long as we get our QB BTTA ...

I'll post a few more later