Gilmore traded to Carolina

[RobertWeathers]

Herbert may look better than Mac now, but Peyton looked better than Brady did early on too. Herbert will probably be a HOF QB...and I just hope Mac is in the conversation too.

Long way to go

 

[amfootball]

No question. Herbert is pretty damn good.

Hope Mac gets some help.

I think Herbert is dynamite. He seems to have that ability already to raise the play of his teammates. He is big and athletic. Kind of like Allen but he does not have the 10 cent head. LOL

 

[Clonamery]

Keenan Allen and Mike Williams >>>> any patriots WR

Charger fans>>>>>>any Patriots fans.

Chargers fans willing to give right nut for one SB. Patriots fans just nuts.

 

[Pats2000]

Being able to recognize the blitz, avoid it, and throw accurately on the run doesn't take processing?

Not in the same way that reading a defense and throwing to an area vacated by the blitz or where to make an anticipatory throw based on defensive alignment. That was more of an athletic play than a cerebral play

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Herbert had a terrible O-line and an idiot head coach last year and still lit it up.

Let me put it this way. There are good lines and there are bad lines (Herbert’s), then there’s 50 LBs of crap, and then there’s us.

 

[1960Pats]

Floyd Reese is dead. That’s my take.

Bill needs someone who he really respects and can say to him: “You’re freakin’ nuts. Move/draft this guy now. Here’s why.” Maybe Wolf and Groh can do that because of their pedigree, but idk.

Bill basically traded a little more than 1/2 of a season of Gilly for Wade and Collins. That’s decent value, given the circumstances. Bill should have traded him earlier but he wanted two good corners in 2020 so he kept him. I would have done the same thing. People who advocated for a Gilmore deal in 2020 think the return would have been great. Remember that a lot of teams were dumping salary to get under the cap, not taking more salary on. The value have been better than this but which team was offering the Pats a 1 or a 2 in early 2020? I could be wrong but I don’t think anyone was.

You can bet the same people who wanted the Pats to trade Gilly 1 1/2 years ago would have complained loudly and bitterly about the return because it never would have been enough.

I have a crazy idea about what they could have done with Gilmore. They could have paid him what he's worth.

 

[Ring 6]

Not necessarily. There is no extension NOW. However, both sides left open the possibility of a long-term deal before the season ends.

Which part of NEXT YEAR did you not understand?

 

[Hyped]

He is hurt, is old, he is expensive, and he has one year left on his contract. Why would teams get in on a bidding war for him?

If I were a team desperate for a corner, I'd have given up a 2022 4th at MINIMUM for Gilmore. Gilmore playing 10-11 games is well worth that and then some....especially at ~6M for the rest of the year. Surprised that the Pats didn't see a bidding war....over at the Athletic...they mentioned that the Pats had two offers from AFC teams...but chose the Panther deal.

 

[captain stone]

Chargers fans willing to give right nut for one SB. Patriots fans just nuts.

That was Then; This is Now.

 

[venecol]

Is all this fair?

We see what our OL looks like without Thuney now, wasn't it a good idea to keep him as long as you could at acceptable money?

Not sure why we're penciling in a 1st for Gilmore based on what happened to Seymour twelve years ago, Jimmy G only fetched a 2nd four years ago.

I think the idea with Stid then Cam was to go for a run first offense and strong defense, hard to do if you dump your best defender and your best o-lineman.

Dumping them suggests tanking, and I'm not sure BB was in to tanking.

I just think the same people whining about our current OL would be b*tching about how dumb it was to let Thuney walk and get nothing for him and trade away Gilmore.

All good points. To me the biggest head scratcher was Bill's lack of a plan to transition from Brady. Not sure what he could've done in 2019-2020 drafts to come up with a better plan than Stidham-Cam, but the result was so bad it's disappointing.

We've got to hope that Mac is the answer, which imo we just don't know yet, or we'll be in qb hell for 3 more years. Hopefully not.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

It was clear he was using his injury as an excuse to hold out.

Do you think the team basically was going along with it though? Just in the sense that maybe Bill would have a wink nod agreement with Gilmore that he would only have to play part of the season on a reduced money deal? It would be a a way to bipass the newly established CBA rules about mandatory training camp holdout fines. Not saying they outright allowed him to dog an injury, but it seems they weren't forcing the issue either if he has been healthy for who knows how long.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Do you think the team basically was going along with it though? Just in the sense that maybe Bill would have a wink nod agreement with Gilmore that he would only have to play part of the season on a reduced money deal? It would be a a way to bipass the newly established CBA rules about mandatory training camp holdout fines. Not saying they outright allowed him to dog an injury, but it seems they weren't forcing the issue either if he has been healthy for who knows how long.

No, I think Gilmore found a loophole to “hold out” without actually holding out and I don’t think Bill liked that.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

All good points. To me the biggest head scratcher was Bill's lack of a plan to transition from Brady. Not sure what he could've done in 2019-2020 drafts to come up with a better plan than Stidham-Cam, but the result was so bad it's disappointing.

It would be so much easier to get past all this and not dwell on it if we could all just acknowledge they miscalculated their level of strength without Brady in 2020. They did. It's obvious. So, Bill bet on himself and his system, thought they could compete another year and at least get into the playoffs, kind of an exclamation point about the team not being one player. He bet on himself, opted to go with the win-now players and didn't go for a rebuild.

You can't really resent a guy for believing in himself to that degree. That's the thing is I resent the white-washing, revisionist takes about the 2020 offseason and 2020 season much more than I resent the team's failures and all the excuse making. I've had the best ride anyone could ever ask for over the last 20 years, so I can't complain about losing seasons. What I will harp on is just, fake, agenda-driven accounts of what actually went down.

 

[Pats2000]

Herbert had a terrible O-line and an idiot head coach last year and still lit it up.

I'm watching that Saints game video you posted. He was getting awesome protection that game. Other than that one blitz that put him on the run, he had a clean pocket with 3 or more seconds to throw the ball. Hell he even threw one up into triple coverage and had his guy come down with it.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Which part of NEXT YEAR did you not understand?

sorry Andy

 

[203Pat]

I'm watching that Saints game video you posted. He was getting awesome protection that game. Other than that one blitz that put him on the run, he had a clean pocket with 3 or more seconds to throw the ball. Hell he even threw one up into triple coverage and had his guy come down with it.

Okay he sucks and he is just being carried along.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Let me put it this way. There are good lines and there are bad lines (Herbert’s), then there’s 50 LBs of crap, and then there’s us.

Plays off less well knowing that the Pats just spent $350M in FA contracts including $164M in guaranteed money....

But I do love the effort, did make me chuckle

 

[Pats2000]

Okay he sucks and he is just being carried along.

Stop being such a drama queen. No one said he sucks and is being carried. You said his line was terrible, fine, that terrible line gave him all day to throw against the Saints. Imagine if Mac had 5 seconds to survey the field.

 

[DaBruinz]

Worst is that this 6th rounder is for 2023 draft!!!

BillB blew it. Should have traded him before the draft (2nd, 3rd, or 4th pick) this past April, and immediate negotiate with JC Jackson for a long term deal.

NOW, Patriots may lose both (one gone, one to go).

Sigh.

You're fooling yourself if you think ANYONE was giving the Pats a draft pick in April for Gilmore. This is the problem with so many fans. You take ANY rumor you hear and you believe it's GOSPEL. You probably believed it when the rumors of the Browns offering a 1st for Garappolo made the rounds and lambasted Belichick for that. Yet, reality was that the Browns never offered more than a 3rd.

How about a reality check:
1) Gilmore's injury is now putting him at 9 weeks into the season. MAYBE.
2) Both sides seemed to negotiate in good faith. They just couldn't reach a deal.
3) The Pats got something for Gilmore. Which is more than the NOTHING they'd have gotten if he can't make it back completely and has to retire.
4) And we know 2 to be true because Gilmore was present at practices and giving Jones advice on what he saw Jones doing. That tells me that Gilmore WANTED to stay.

Why would the Pat lose Jackson? Because you don't know what you are talking about? The Pats can tag Jackson if they need to. And Jackson is significantly younger than Gilmore.

 

[DaBruinz]

I have a crazy idea about what they could have done with Gilmore. They could have paid him what he's worth.

They were paying him what he's worth. Or does the 13M AAV mean NOTHING to you?