Gillette attendance after Brady & Belichick retire.

[SammyBlueCat]

To the original poster, the Patriots just *Might* draft a good quarterback. Whoever he is, he may never be as good a Tom Brady but he may be good. Why do you insist that the team will drop to 3-13? What if the new guy leads the team to a respectable 10-6? Will you still be a fan?

 

[Joker]

the reason why, Sammuh, is then he can come back and say "SEE!!! I, KNOWER OF THINGS TOLD YOU!!". It's a form of internet insanity

 

[Huckleberry1]

I respect your passion, but you are giving far too much credit to the Kraft’s.

Letting Brady dictate the trade of Garoppolo shows the loyalty & stupidity of the Krafts.

Red Auerbach biggest mistake outside of hiring Rick Pitino was letting the big 3 get old & retire with no return on his investment.

Nice make believe. Great job.

Let us know whenever you get the facts to back that up.

 

[cupofjoe1962]

There is absolutely no way belichick would have traded tom Brady. Lynch asked and B.B. said “I’m not trading the greatest qb ever”.
There is just no way in the world yuu trade the greatest qb ever who is still the greatest current qb. No way.






And letting him go did them no good. This idea of trading bird mchale and Parrish is idiotic and doesn’t hold any water at all.

Lynch asked mid season about Brady & according to the reports, Kraft told him to trade Garoppolo.

McHale still had value on a poor team after Bird & Parrish retired. Why not trade him?

 

[cupofjoe1962]

Nice make believe. Great job.

Let us know whenever you get the facts to back that up.

Why don’t you tell us the facts ?
Tell me where I am wrong.

According to reports

According to reports Kraft told Belichick to trade Garoppolo & Kraft & Brady hugged after the trade.

Reports also say Brady went to Kraft demanding Belichick trade Garoppolo.

Report: Brady went to Kraft demanding Belichick trade Garoppolo

Garoppolo trade highlights growing Brady, Belichick, Kraft rift

According to reports the Celtics were offered good value for both Bird & McHale late in their careers.

Celtics Circuit: Revisiting Larry Bird and Kevin McHale Trade Proposals

 

[cupofjoe1962]

To the original poster, the Patriots just *Might* draft a good quarterback. Whoever he is, he may never be as good a Tom Brady but he may be good. Why do you insist that the team will drop to 3-13? What if the new guy leads the team to a respectable 10-6? Will you still be a fan?

I have had season tickets for 30+ years and sat through two 1-15 seasons and kept my tickets.

I just don’t drink the kool aid & I have seen the turnout at the gate in the past when Boston sports teams have fallen on tough times.

Without Belichick and Brady, I expect some rebuilding seasons.

 

[Ring 6]

Lynch asked mid season about Brady & according to the reports, Kraft told him to trade Garoppolo.

There are zero legitimate reports that say that and a quote directly from lynch saying belichick told him there was no way he would trade Brady.

McHale still had value on a poor team after Bird & Parrish retired. Why not trade him?

He had no real value.

 

[Bill Lee]

It is not if the cat dies, it is when the cat dies.
How old is 41 in cat years?
Yeah we all know how successful all those guys who have coached under Belichick have done on their own.
The Steelers, the 49ers & the Cowboys.
How did they sustain their winning ways after the stars & coach retired?
They didn’t, but if you want to think we are the exception to the rule, that is your prerogative.

And if you want to make yourself miserable while the cat is still happily purring, that's your prerogative.

 

[Soliel]

Do you think there will still be a waiting list for season tickets or problems filling the stadium after Belichick & Brady retire & the team has a couple of 3-13 seasons?

I remember the days of the local TV blackouts of Patriots home games in the 1980’s, because the games did not sell out.
At the time you could get a ticket for under $20.

Guys I use to work with use to joke with me about keeping my tickets through the 1-15 seasons.

I also remember a urban legend about a guy who got called into work at a restaurant on a Sunday morning & he called all his friends and nobody wanted his Patriots tickets. When he got to the restaurant he put his 2 tickets under his windshield wipers. He was hoping someone would spy them & use the tickets. When he got out of work Sunday night he noticed that not only were his 2 tickets under the windshield wipers, there were 4 more under the other wiper.

I also remember when the Celtics were rolling in the 80’s & they had a 50 year waiting list for season tickets. Then Bird, Parish, & McHale retired & the Celtics went from a 50 year waiting list to no waiting list. They were selling tickets for $10 during the Pitino years just to try to fill the Garden.

I got season tickets for the Patriots for the first time in 1979 & gave them up after the 1981 season because my friend did not want to split them any more after the Ron Erhardt 2-14 season.

I purchased season tickets on my own in 1987 & I have had them ever since then.
I have kept them through the Rod Rust & **** McPhearson 1-15 seasons, but the tickets were less than $25 each at the time.

As much as everyone loves the Patriots, I believe their season ticket waiting list will dry up and they will have a problem filling the stadium if the Patriots have a couple 3-13 or 4-12 seasons.

I am getting older & I am fighting serious health issues at this time, but I have no plans to give up my tickets. The past 5 years I have split my tickets with a friend & we both have children who love going to the games. We also both do not have a money problem.

When I originally purchased sideline season tickets in 1979, the tickets were $10 each. When I purchased end zone season tickets in 1987, the tickets were $18 each.
My mezzanine tickets this season are $129 each.

I believe the first season ticket holders running for the exits after a couple 3-13 seasons will be the club seats ticket holders. They are the “Pink Hats” of Gillette. Maybe that is why they make them commit to multiple seasons.

I also know a few guys who have families & do not make a lot of money who are not in the club seats. Who could blame them for giving up their tickets after a couple 3-13 seasons at today’s cost?

You sure those weren’t lions tickets? In Detroit, scalpers pay you to take tickets

 

[cupofjoe1962]

There are zero legitimate reports that say that and a quote directly from lynch saying belichick told him there was no way he would trade Brady.


He had no real value.

Lynch asked about Brady during the season.
There are reports that say Kraft told Belichick to trade Garoppolo.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/report-patriots-owner-kraft-forced-belichick-trade-garoppolo?amp

McHale had value...... who are you to say he didn’t?

Celtics Circuit: Revisiting Larry Bird and Kevin McHale Trade Proposals

 

[cupofjoe1962]

And if you want to make yourself miserable while the cat is still happily purring, that's your prerogative.

My two cats are named Graig Nettles & Micky Rivers & they kicked the spaceman’s butt.



They are purring just at the mention of your name.

 

[Ring 6]

Lynch asked about Brady during the season.
There are reports that say Kraft told Belichick to trade Garoppolo.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/report-patriots-owner-kraft-forced-belichick-trade-garoppolo?amp

That source deserves zero credibility and to think B.B. would trade brady is ludicrous. Kraft himself has refuted this.

McHale had value...... who are you to say he didn’t?

Celtics Circuit: Revisiting Larry Bird and Kevin McHale Trade Proposals

That article written in hindsight says trade them in 1988 a season the Celtics were the 1 seed in the east. Bird retired after 1992 and mchale was 34 coming off injuries and had 1 year left.
Making those trades would have made the Celtics worse not helped them.

 

[denverpatsfan]

No way ticket prices drop. When has that ever happened?

 

[SammyBlueCat]

I have had season tickets for 30+ years and sat through two 1-15 seasons and kept my tickets.

I just don’t drink the kool aid & I have seen the turnout at the gate in the past when Boston sports teams have fallen on tough times.

Without Belichick and Brady, I expect some rebuilding seasons.

During this thread, you have written about DISASTROUS seasons not REBUILDING seasons.

 

[PatsDeb]

It all depends on how handsome the next QB is.

Lol. This region is so used to winning right now, a few 3-13 seasons could be devastating for attendance. Not only are we used to elite coaching and QB play, but two dreadful seasons in a row, or even declining success, may be a sign Kraft hired the wrong guys to follow the two legends and things are trending in a bad direction.

I know this is a joke, but it's partially right. How attractive the next QB/coach combo is will determine whether attendance remains high or not. I don't know how I feel. I have been a season ticket holder since 1993, so I was on board before TFB and BB. On the one hand I love the Pats and I would miss "being there" even if there was a drop off in play. On the other hand, I am a lot older now and have a lot more responsibilities in life, so the cost, both time-wise and financially-wise is a lot higher now than it was 25 years ago (wow, I just did the math - can't believe I have had the tickets that long). My husband has wanted to give them up for a few years now, but I haven't as my kids still like to go with me. Also, I have become a lot less enamored of the NFL with all the "gates" and believe it or not, BB's decision not to play Butler in the SB, which I firmly believe cost us the game. LOL, it only took 25 years for the honeymoon to be over! I guess we'll have to say, "we'll see."

 

[Bill Lee]

My two cats are named Graig Nettles & Micky Rivers & they kicked the spaceman’s butt.

The sure sign that someone is out of arguments is they attack the person not the argument.

 

[Steve102]

see Dallas, Pittsburgh, and San Fran for the answer. all had dynasties but still had great crowds after the team talent tailed off. I dont see a problem.

Off Season Thread **ALERT**

I was just going to say... look up the 1999 San Francisco 49ers attendance. They went 4-10 when Young got hurt.

1999 NFL Attendance Data | Pro-Football-Reference.com

 

[maust]

The Bobby Orr Bruins of the early 70’s popularity was incredible and never matched by the Celtics. I guess that is what happens when you have the best player “Ever”.

The Neely Bruins of the 80’s & 90’s and even the Stanley Cup Champion Bruins of 2011, couldn’t touch the Bird Celtics of the 1980’s in popularity.

I didn't even mention popularity, I was talking about loyalty. Popularity ? loyalty, popularity can fade in an instant. The proof is in the pudding and the validity of my standpoint is evidenced by what actually happened. The C's fell off and had to practically give away tickets while Jacobs was able to continue bleeding the Black n Gold faithful for decades. The question you posed here is what will attendance look like after BB/Brady are gone and this team sucks for a while. I believe the premise is flawed since this ownership knows what they are about and will not allow it to suck for long.

I have had season tickets for 30+ years and sat through two 1-15 seasons and kept my tickets.

That's interesting, I am coming up on forty years and I haven't sat through two 1-15 seasons. In fact the Pats have only had one single win season in their entire history. The sad truth of the feeling of hopelessness at end of the Sullivan and Kiam era was bad enough, no need to exaggerate it.

McHale had value...... who are you to say he didn’t?

No one so much as intimated McHale did not have value. It's pretty apparent at this point that you are now just looking to manufacture an argument that is not there. It's also a pretty fair guess you may have gotten further into that bottle than you might have originally intended.

 

[Tunescribe]

Tell me where I am wrong.

Starting this awful doom-and-gloom thread.

 

[Bill Lee]

Starting this awful doom-and-gloom thread.

It's kind of sad that some people need to make themselves miserable. It's really sad that some people need to drag others into their world of misery.

Sports radio talk mediots refer to their audience as "the fellowship of the miserable". That falls into the "sad but true" category, IMHO.

Hopefully some people wake up and realize we have choices in life and we don't need to make ourselves miserable.