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Gil Brandt: Rumor - Mallet to Houston for their 2nd round pick.

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On top of all of that, here is a much more important question:

Why would anyone give up a 2nd rounder that they can choose a QB with and pay them peanuts under a cheap, rookie deal, when they'd not only have to part with a 2nd round draft pick, but ALSO give Ryan Mallett a brand new deal?

No one is going to part with a 2nd round pick without making sure that their new franchise QB is signed beyond this last year of his deal. That leads us to the more important conversation of trying to assess Mallett's value on a brand new deal as a starter.

Do they pay him 5m a year, 10m a year, 12m a year?
There's an enormous grey area there, which leads back to the original thought that it's probably much better to simply draft a QB in the 2nd round and pay them close to nothing for the next 4 yrs. That not only makes it a huge gamble for Belichick, leaving him without a backup QB who knows a lick of our system, but it's also an enormous gamble for the potential trade partner--who now has to give up a high draft pick AND risk their financial future in terms of the salary cap. You'd think that people would learn from the Charlie Whitehurst and Kevin Kob fiascoes!!!


I don't think that the deal is likely at all but I do think there is a big difference between the Kolb and Whitehurst situation. O'Brien was involved in the drafting of Mallett and he coached Mallett everyday. Mallett is an enigma to most if not all of us, we know very little about his performance other than what we see in preseason but he is not an enigma for O'Brien at all so if he felt he was worthy of a 2nd round draft choice I would actually be inclined to believe Mallett actually is.

O'Brien was someone I really thought did a great job in his time here and the offensive players drafted and UDFAs signed during his tenure have all developed into very good players for the most part.

Gronkowski
Edelman
Solder
Vollmer
Ridley
Vereen
Bolden
Cannon
Wendell
Hernandez
Woodhead
Price
Mallett

Price and Hernandez were workout because Price had ADHD issue and Hernandez liked to kill people but other than that those players all contributed in some capacity.

I don't know the type of input O'Brien had he very well may of just correlated with the players coming here but he also may have been a part of it.
 
If this rumor actually turns out to be true, that would mean that Houston would probably be selecting Clowney to pair with Watt. That's a horrifying thought. I would feel pity for Luck and the rest of the quarterbacks in the division.
 
Ah, I can never resist a good old Mallett thread. Here we go...

Why would anyone give up a 2nd rounder that they can choose a QB with and pay them peanuts under a cheap, rookie deal, when they'd not only have to part with a 2nd round draft pick, but ALSO give Ryan Mallett a brand new deal?

No one is going to part with a 2nd round pick without making sure that their new franchise QB is signed beyond this last year of his deal. That leads us to the more important conversation of trying to assess Mallett's value on a brand new deal as a starter.
I have to think it'd be a moderate-money, short-term contract. The team wouldn't want to commit too much money to him before ever seeing him in game action (even though I think that's a vastly overrated aspect given O'Brien coaching him for a year), and Mallett wouldn't want to commit to a $40M/5yr deal if he thinks he'd be worth $12M after starting for a year. Or another option would be something like an option bonus that acts like a franchise tag. Give him a raise to $5M or something like that as a starter, but have a $16M roster bonus due early in the 2015 offseason. If he performs well, then they pay him the bonus and use that extra time to hammer out a long term deal (like what the Chiefs did when Cassel was under the tag). If he sucks, then they pass on the bonus, making him a free agent and accepting the pick they traded for him as a sunk cost (which teams don't do nearly often enough with young QBs that look awful). Something like $10M/2yrs might also work, with both sides knowing that Mallett would just hold out if he vastly outplays a $5M contract. Either way, I think Mallett has to get paid as a starting QB ($5M minimum) if he's expected to start, without the Texans paying too much money or Mallett committing for too many years.

Mallett for anything would be shocking to me. People actually think he has potential?
Yes, in fact one person in particular believes he has potential. According to Adam Schefter, who is hardly known for spreading around BS, Brian Daboll could tell sometime between when he joined the team about two years ago and when Schefter reported it 23 months ago that "Mallett could have won the starting job with the Chiefs -- and with other NFL franchises." That was toward the end of O'Brien's coaching with the Patriots. If Daboll saw it then, there has to be at least a reasonable chance that O'Brien saw Mallett as a potential NFL starter back then too, and that was two years ago.

Not saying Mallet is the answer but Brady only has 2 or 3 seasons left max. At some point BB has to starting preparing for that and grab a QB.
This completely contradicts everything Brady has ever said about how long he plans to play, as well as his contract. Brady says he wants to play until he's at least 40; his contract extends through his age 40 season. That's 4 more seasons. There has literally been no indication ever that Brady is only playing two or three more seasons.

How about Mallett and our first for Clowney and get a decent pass rush.
I'm sure one big reason O'Brien would hypothetically be willing to pass on a QB early in the draft in favor of Mallett is that the Texans also had a pretty awful pass rush. Brooks Reed was pretty bad last year with only 3 sacks, and Whitney Mercilus' 7 sacks are awfully misleading since 3.5 came against backup tackles (2.5 against Seattle when they were starting the worst OL in the NFL thanks to injuries, 1 against Jacksonville after they traded away their original starting LT and lost their new starting LT and #2 overall pick to an injury) and another half was when he came in untouched on a blitz into the infamous "Brady duck." That pass rush was essentially JJ Watt and nobody else. If Clowney is going to work out in the NFL, then the Texans badly need him.


Anyway, I could go on for days about a possible Mallett trade, but I have to go back to work, so you guys are spared for now.
 
Mallet and Mankins for Andre Johnson and a 3rd round pick.
 
Given that, just imagine how he'll save himself for his NFL contract year

I find it difficult to bash on someone who didn't want to be in college, but had no other realistic choice because of the NFL eligibility rules.
 
Why do you assume that Mallett would win 5 if Cassell won 11 and was nowhere as talented or developed as Mallett?

I'm not sure where you're getting this from. I saw more from Cassel when he was a backup, pre-2008, than I've ever seen from Mallett.
 
If this rumor actually turns out to be true, that would mean that Houston would probably be selecting Clowney to pair with Watt. That's a horrifying thought. I would feel pity for Luck and the rest of the quarterbacks in the division.

Clowney is going to be a beast in the NFL! He basically took this year off. You could tell from watching him, that he was playing "not to get hurt" every now and then he say, OK time to make a play and he would blow something up in the backfield. You are absolutely right about pairing him with Watt. Clowney will not be able to be double teamed and neither will Watt. Playing behind those two would be a secondary's wet dream! When push comes to shove, the Texans are going to realize that a.) Clowney is far and away the best player in the draft b.) drafting him instantly makes your defense and Watt better

Look I would take Mallet over Bridgewater, Manzel et al. He already knows O'Brien's offense, has appreticed under one of the all time greats, and has better measureables than anyone coming out of college. The only reason he wasn't a first round pick a couple of years ago were charecter and work ethic issues, which he has put to rest.

Plus he still has another year left on his rookie deal, so they can either re-negotiate now, or take their chances and see how he plays and then work on a new deal after the season.

The Pats did get the 34th pick for Cassel and he was franchised at the time. Granted he played an entire season, but I think Mallet will be a very good NFL QB. I'm not too sure about anyone coming out of college.
 
I find it difficult to bash on someone who didn't want to be in college, but had no other realistic choice because of the NFL eligibility rules.

I'm not saying this will hinder his success in the NFL, but I don't think it's a positive character trait to say, "I don't like the rules, so I'm going to go half-assed." Not many places in life where that's encouraged.
 
Why do you assume that Mallett would win 5 if Cassell won 11 and was nowhere as talented or developed as Mallett?

Assuming a healthy Gronk and Amendola, Dobson, Thompkins Boyce, Vereen and draft pick(s), he would have a talented offense around him, and an improving defense.

I would much rather have Mallett than a second round pick.

If I remember right Cassell was working with 95% of a 16-0 team that still had a top 10 defense and the best front 7 in the NFL at the time
 
I'm not saying this will hinder his success in the NFL, but I don't think it's a positive character trait to say, "I don't like the rules, so I'm going to go half-assed." Not many places in life where that's encouraged.

He was sitting on $20+ million, and everyone said he was more than capable of living up to that, even last year. Instead, because of some rule that's designed to keep the colleges flush with cash, and to save NFL GMs from themselves, he was forced to risk all those millions by playing for free.

We're not talking about "He's a good player and a top prospect" here. We're not talking about a guy who had the choice to go pro and chose to stay, either. We're talking about a guy who'd have gone #1 last year being forced to stay in college. I don't love him for playing not to get hurt, but I'm not going to bash him about it, either.
 
I'm not sure where you're getting this from. I saw more from Cassel when he was a backup, pre-2008, than I've ever seen from Mallett.

Opinions are like....ah you know
 
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If I remember right Cassell was working with 95% of a 16-0 team that still had a top 10 defense and the best front 7 in the NFL at the time

You remember right. And?
 
Personally, I think Deus is quite the.. opinion.

He certainly is (or has) a very.. prolific opinion.
 
I'm not sure where you're getting this from. I saw more from Cassel when he was a backup, pre-2008, than I've ever seen from Mallett.

Are you kidding me?

Cassel had a terrible 2008 preseason & quite a few people questioned
If he would be released.

Unless you were watching him in high school, you are in the
Minority.

Cassell did a good job filling in for Brady, but nobody
Expected that type of performance from what he showed
In the preseason.
 
Are you kidding me?

Cassel had a terrible 2008 preseason & quite a few people questioned
If he would be released.

Unless you were watching him in high school, you are in the
Minority.

Cassell did a good job filling in for Brady, but nobody
Expected that type of performance from what he showed
In the preseason.

Considering the fact that I was one who saw that Cassel was not the issue so many others saw, and that I was one of the few defending him, I think it's clear that you're correct to say I was in the minority.

That doesn't mean that I was wrong, obviously.
 
I find it difficult to bash on someone who didn't want to be in college, but had no other realistic choice because of the NFL eligibility rules.

I find it very easy to bash someone who wasn't giving 100% regardless of the circumstances.

Again the question arises: Will he play "not to get hurt" the year before he hopes to get big bucks in free agency? Will he tank it in the last year of his rookie deal because the rules say the contract can be one year longer than rookies taken later (i.e-the rules that keep him from making the money he thinks he deserves)? Will he half-ass it if he's not happy about how his team is doing, or his contract situation or whatever...
 
1 - What makes you think Clowney is any more of a "sure thing" than any of the top QBs in this draft class? Clowney has plenty of questions marks too.
Inferred reputation stands for a lot, even if it's not true. I agree Clowney has as many questions but it's unlikely to get an athlete of his calibre to pair with Watt further into the draft.

- As others have said. The idea that BB would trade our only backup QB without a replacement already in the system and showing promise seems, to me, highly unlikely. The guy sweats the smallest details and a viable backup QB is much bigger than a "small detail".
Everything is unlikely until it happens.

- The idea of any team giving up #33 overall for Mallet is difficult to fathom. And I'm phrasing that as nicely as I can. Mallett's only played a handful of times during game conditions. Cassel played 1st string for almost an entire 11-5) year, and only got us a 2nd because we threw Mike Vrabel into the deal.
We are in agreement. Fortunately market value is dictated by the price someone is willing to pay for a player. Personally, I would be surprised if the Patriots got anything more than a 3rd for Mallett, but you never know.

If BO'B did it I'm not sure he'd make it past the first year coaching unless he instantly (as in a few games) turned that team around. Rookie QBs, even very highly picked ones, get at least a season leeway. A vet QB who cost almost a 1st & a much heftier contract than a rookie, and supposedly knows the system, better be lighting it up immediately.
I don't believe any of the rookie Quarterbacks scream franchise cornerstone player.
 
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