Giant Shaun O'Hara admits to choking Seymour in "helmet catch" SB LXII...

[captain stone]

Here's a question I've posed to myself and others during the last 9+ years:

Had the criminally incompetent zebras actually called holding, and Tyree did NOT make the catch, would you have chosen: 4th/5, or 3rd/15?

 

[BlacknGold77]

Here's a question I've posed to myself and others during the last 9+ years:

Had the criminally incompetent zebras actually called holding, and Tyree did NOT make the catch, would you have chosen: 4th/5, or 3rd/15?

play ended with :59 to go. the LOS for the play was the NY 44, and they had 2 time outs left.

I take the penalty and back them up the 10 yards to their own 34. Big difference being on on the 44 than the 34. At that point I'm caring more about making them have to go further than I am downs

 

[Deus Irae]

Here's a question I've posed to myself and others during the last 9+ years:

Had the criminally incompetent zebras actually called holding, and Tyree did NOT make the catch, would you have chosen: 4th/5, or 3rd/15?

You take 4th and 5, no question. At that point, you're one play away from winning the game.

 

[Kontradiction]

Here's a question I've posed to myself and others during the last 9+ years:

Had the criminally incompetent zebras actually called holding, and Tyree did NOT make the catch, would you have chosen: 4th/5, or 3rd/15?

4th and 5 and count on a defense, the majority of which was part of a dynasty, to make one last play.

 

[drewskie]

With regards to the play where Plaxico beat Hobbs on a fake slant and go route, that match up in particular I was pleading for Hobbs not to bite on anything since he was giving up size to the receiver... and he bit.

Will have to rewatch the game in its entirety but I'm surprised Asante Samuel wasnt on Plaxico and Hobbs on Tyree more often.

 

[The Brandon Five]

This is great fun. When I am done reading this thread I am going to go stab myself in the throat for a follow-up. Yay!

 

[pheenix11]

Been saying this for years, a lot of people here have. The night it happened I freeze framed it and was yelling WTF at the TV. They had them by the facemark as well. Dirtiest hold I've ever seen not called in all my years of watching football.

 

[Kontradiction]

With regards to the play where Plaxico beat Hobbs on a fake slant and go route, that match up in particular I was pleading for Hobbs not to bite on anything since he was giving up size to the receiver... and he bit.

Will have to rewatch the game in its entirety but I'm surprised Asante Samuel wasnt on Plaxico and Hobbs on Tyree more often.

Seau checked into a casino blitz on that play IIRC and Hobbs had no safety help when he was probably expecting some. Could be why he jumped the Sluggo.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Seymour wasn't the only Pats D lineman being held on that play. Watch the vid and you'll see the ref reach for the flag in his back pocket and then decide NOT to throw his flag.


Carey, who retired after the 2013 season, recently told Tony Siragusa of Yahoo Sports that under normal circumstances, he would have blown the play dead when defenders grabbed Manning, who appeared ready to go down.

But Carey, who normally stood several yards behind the quarterback to his front side, scrambled around behind Manning on that play.

"For some reason, I don't know why, I ran all the way around (behind Manning)," Carey told Siragusa. "I just got lucky, and as I got there, they were pulling him back. Had I stayed (in front of Manning), I would have just seen him collapse into a pile. But I got a look in there, and I saw him free up, he launches it, and the rest is history."

You can see Carey scramble into position in this video:



“Had I stayed (in my original position), I think the outcome would have been different,” Carey said. “I probably would have blown the whistle.”

Just imagine if Carey had blown the whistle. Instead of a 32-yard completion, first down and instant-hero status for Tyree, the Giants would have faced fourth and long in their own territory. But it happened, and four plays later, Manning hit Plaxico Burress with a 13-yard TD pass to give the Giants a 17-14 lead with 35 seconds to play. They held on to win and end the 18-0 Patriots' dreams of a perfect season.

After retiring from officiating, Carey served as a rules analyst on NFL broadcasts.

Ex-ref: David Tyree's incredible catch that sank Patriots in Super Bowl almost whistled dead

I would like to just point out the fact that the Giants suck.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

With regards to the play where Plaxico beat Hobbs on a fake slant and go route, that match up in particular I was pleading for Hobbs not to bite on anything since he was giving up size to the receiver... and he bit.

Hobbs was doomed no matter what being left 1-on-1 on Plax. Why oh why oh why did they call a heavy blitz there when there wasn't enough field left for Eli to have to hold the ball for any length of time, meaning the blitz would be mostly useless?

Really hurt when Harrison said a while ago that he was desperately trying to call off the blitz but Seau refused to call it off. Damnit.

 

[drewskie]

Hobbs was doomed no matter what being left 1-on-1 on Plax. Why oh why oh why did they call a heavy blitz there when there wasn't enough field left for Eli to have to hold the ball for any length of time, meaning the blitz would be mostly useless?

Really hurt when Harrison said a while ago that he was desperately trying to call off the blitz but Seau refused to call it off. Damnit.

Perhaps a timeout would have been in order at the time. I know BB always saves his timeouts but man we had all 3 left at the time and at a time where you HAVE to get a stop we should have dared the Giants to beat us by running the ball. Eli while eratic at times, was still capable of finding mismatches and we made him into a hero, despite the incompetent officiating. They ended up exploiting an all out blitz in man coverage for a relatively short yardage situation, and Harrison saw it coming too smh.

 

[Koma]

The greatest, most scoring-ness offense to date only put up 14 points.

True, but 14 points doesn't look so bad when the current, most scoring-ness offense went to the Super Bowl and only put up 8 points.

 

[tasmlab]

True, but 14 points doesn't look so bad when the current, most scoring-ness offense went to the Super Bowl and only put up 8 points.

I'll take 17-14 over 43-8 any day. Man, both those scores are seriously messed up. Poor Broncos didn't want to play offense OR defense apparently.

 

[bresna]

Hobbs was doomed no matter what being left 1-on-1 on Plax.

I thought there was a story shortly after the Super Bowl that said that Hobbs had a slightly torn hamstring as well and probably shouldn't have been in the game at all? Didn't he have surgery on it that offseason?

 

[The Brandon Five]

I thought there was a story shortly after the Super Bowl that said that Hobbs had a slightly torn hamstring as well and probably shouldn't have been in the game at all? Didn't he have surgery on it that offseason?

Torn labrum and a groin injury.

Patriots' Hobbs had injured shoulder, groin - The Boston Globe

According to a source close to the Patriots cornerback, Hobbs was playing with a torn labrum in his shoulder and chronic groin pain.

The source said that Hobbs, who didn't miss a game during the season and has missed just one in his first three seasons, had surgery Feb. 12, nine days after the Super Bowl, to repair the shoulder. He originally injured himself in Week 9 against the Indianapolis Colts. The surgery was done by noted orthopedic surgeon James Andrews in Birmingham, Ala.

"He had a piece of bone floating in his shoulder," said the source, who didn't know which shoulder Hobbs hurt. "It was very, very serious. But he went to the best and had a very successful surgery. According to Dr. Andrews, he should be fine for the start of next season.

 

[Lavictoire]

Shaun O'Hara admitted to grabbing Seymour by the trachea during the scramble by Eli that led to the "helmet catch" during Superbowl LXII.. interesting admission, if the refs caught that penalty we would have been 19-0 and raising the 6th banner..

Put an asterisk * next to that win by the Giants..

Giants Shaun O’Hara confirms he choked Richard Seymour on Eli Manning’s Super Bowl scramble

You triggered me. I'm back in therapy!

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Seau checked into a casino blitz on that play IIRC and Hobbs had no safety help when he was probably expecting some. Could be why he jumped the Sluggo.

Yup, seau overruled rodney harrison and CHANGED the call on the field to an all out blitz. Rodney should have told him no.

 

[The Brandon Five]

Yup, seau overruled rodney harrison and CHANGED the call on the field to an all out blitz. Rodney should have told him no.

Rodney should have used the time out.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Rodney should have used the time out.

It's interesting how bill didn't want to call a timeout there similar to how he didn't right after kearse's circus catch in SB49.

 

[dafoe2016]

The entire Giants' line was holding on that play. So what? We were a vastly superior team. That Giants team didn't belong on the same field with us. If that game is played 100 more times and our coaching staff pulls it's head out it's rear before the fourth quarter we win 100 out of 100. We lost a game we should have won. It never should have come to that. Should have been over at halftime We allowed it to. Let it go.