Free Agent QB Baker Mayfield

[upstater1]

I always got the impression that these guys have egos the size of planets and are positive when they make an evaluation that they’re right. That’s how SF goes up to get Trey Lance or the Giants take Daniel Jones. If Wolf and Co. think McCarthy is best, i think they’ll have no problem taking the risk of passing on Daniels.

If I were placed in that position with a salary to show for it, I would care about my longevity. It's the same problem with people with high paying positions taking over institutions. A college President isn't going to rock the boat. An exec at a hedge fund or investment bank is going to do the things that make them look good for the short term even if it's to the institution's detriment in the long term (just because they're earning so much; the #1 goal is to produce immediate results and stay in the high-earning spot for as long as possible). I think I'd be like them too unless I had a large trust fund or money coming to me from Daddy. That would give me the safety to think long term.

 

[upstater1]

By the way, there's a lot of smoke that Justin Fields will be sent to Atlanta shortly, which will mean that the Bears are absolutely locked in with Caleb Williams. We'll see what Washington is going to do after that. There's a lot of pressure there too since some people think Howell is a good QB.

 

[mike_usagisan]

If I were placed in that position with a salary to show for it, I would care about my longevity. It's the same problem with people with high paying positions taking over institutions. A college President isn't going to rock the boat. An exec at a hedge fund or investment bank is going to do the things that make them look good for the short term even if it's to the institution's detriment in the long term (just because they're earning so much; the #1 goal is to produce immediate results and stay in the high-earning spot for as long as possible). I think I'd be like them too unless I had a large trust fund or money coming to me from Daddy. That would give me the safety to think long term.

Someone posted something recently about how GMs really only get one shot at it. Unlike HCs, it's very rare for a GM to get a second chance. So, I'm sure Wolf and other de facto GMs realize they are probably only getting one chance to draft their QB. That has to be so much stress.

 

[Real fan 02]

Wilson would be interesting. If pats could get him at 75% of his peak thats a coup
I just said Jacoby cuz of his NE past and by all accounts his teammates respect him and he can play, I think he's underrated. I was surprised the commanders were so quick to give Howell the reigns.

Yes, I like Brissett as well he has all kinds of experiences in different systems as well. I absolutely wouldn't mind him. If we got Daniels I think it's a must we get him. Brissett has a similar build and playing style as Daniels. Wilson is still a good QB, and I never felt Denver was a fit for him.

 

[Real fan 02]

Someone posted something recently about how GMs really only get one shot at it. Unlike HCs, it's very rare for a GM to get a second chance. So, I'm sure Wolf and other de facto GMs realize they are probably only getting one chance to draft their QB. That has to be so much stress.

That is interesting, there are cases where GMs remained on teams for years and those teams alot of time missed continually on the QBs.. Buffalo for example. But I definitely agree it's a lot of stress on a GM.

 

[mike_usagisan]

That is interesting, there are cases where GMs remained on teams for years and those teams alot of time missed continually on the QBs.. Buffalo for example. But I definitely agree it's a lot of stress on a GM.

Beane became GM for the Bills in 2017 and drafted Allen in 2018. If he had messed that up, I don't think Beane is still their GM now.

 

[Real fan 02]

Beane became GM for the Bills in 2017 and drafted Allen in 2018. If he had messed that up, I don't think Beane is still their GM now.

The GM prior, from JP Losman to Trent Edwards to EJ Manuel.. that GM his name escaped me.. he survived multiple QBs bust outs..

 

[mike_usagisan]

The GM prior, from JP Losman to Trent Edwards to EJ Manuel.. that GM his name escaped me.. he survived multiple QBs bust outs..

They've actually had a few in that time period.

 

[NFL Mystique]

I personally believe the Patriots will take whoever is left of Maye/Daniels at #3. The organization saw what happened when they had an elite QB for twenty years. And they saw what happened since that time.

Building the trenches and getting skill players first sounds good in theory. Not in reality though. The Vikings have Jefferson and the Chiefs don't have anyone close to that skill level. Buffalo has won the division consistently without a Tyreek Hill type receiver. Miami has him, and is not a SB contender whatsoever. 49ers had all pro players all over the field in their SB's. In the end, it didn't make a difference. Everyone knows what the big difference is between mentioned teams.

You pass on a guy this year, and it's highly unlikely a franchise QB drops in their laps anytime soon. You take the guy when you can. When you don't have to move up or trade roster players.

Pick the QB. Then go for the rest of the roster. But in a conference like this, you can't win a SB without an elite QB. Nobody says the new guy can't sit for a year either.

 

[NFL Mystique]

If you’re going to hunt for the Mahomes killer, he’ll be out of the league before you find him.

Will Josh Allen ever sniff a Super Bowl?

I don't think Buffalo has a Mahomes>Allen issue. I think they have a Reid>McDermott issue. The last five games have been one score possessions iirc. Allen certainly can't be blamed for the 13 seconds thing nor his defense getting shredded consistently.

If a top tier HC is in Buffalo in 2021 or 2023, they probably have a SB berth at minimum.

I think a team like Baltimore has a Mahomes>Jackson issue. Similar to the 49ers and their QB's.

 

[NFL Mystique]

Agree, and draft MHJ at 3

How did AZ do with Larry Fitzgerald & no Warner? How is Minnesota doing with Jefferson? Miami & Hill? How about Andre Johnson in Houston?

 

[NFL Mystique]

Yes…and the price is nearly free.

Don't you need a competent enough QB so the rookie QB can learn at least something?

 

[NFL Mystique]

He is still young enough to be the guy if you want him to be. Lots of years left. He’s only 28. Some of these guys we are talking about drafting like Penix are 23 or 24 already.

I personally don't think he's good enough to lift a franchise.

I think the top three QB's will all be better.

 

[NFL Mystique]

The GM prior, from JP Losman to Trent Edwards to EJ Manuel.. that GM his name escaped me.. he survived multiple QBs bust outs..

I think Beane would be out of a job had they not gotten Allen. Probably fired after 2019.

 

[NFL Mystique]

I watched Mayfield a lot last year. He's a good QB, getting better, and a good leader. A good QB is going to cost you between 30-40/year. You want good players, you have to PAY good players.

Rookie QBs are a crap shoot, even highly-drafted rookies.

I very much like the idea of not HAVING to take a QB at 3. Shiny toys. Mayfield is a seasoned vet - AVP knows him well, so I'll trust his judgment on this one, certainly. if the Pats nab Mayfield in FA, I'm not losing sleep over it.

And I reject outright this notion that "he's not going to get you to a Superbowl." Purdy got there. Goff almost got there.

Draft a rookie that you need to count on and you might be looking at shiny new QB toys in three years.
The scouts are all over the place with this year's crop of QBs - I read someone trashing Maye today. The only one I hear is consensus NFL starter is Williams, and he's got other problems (and almost certainly won't be there).

This class has fool's gold written all over it, I fear.

But...couldn't you say the exact same thing about....Mayfield?

How many teams will have the receiver talent etc he had? And a very good D?

I don't think he is as bad as his last campaign in Cleveland. But I don't think he is going to consistently put up the numbers he did this season either.

And that type of QB just isn't enough in the AFC.

 

[Real fan 02]

They've actually had a few in that time period.

Ok, thanks for thar clarification.. I don't know why I kept thinking it was the same guy for a number of years.

 

[mike_usagisan]

Ok, thanks for thar clarification.. I don't know why I kept thinking it was the same guy for a number of years.

If there was, he was terrible!

 

[Real fan 02]

If there was, he was terrible!

Lol, it's amazing that our legendary GM thst we had for 2 decades only had to draft 1 QB.. I think he got it right? Lol

 

[Huckleberry1]

thanks for playing along! I'm saying be flexible. If you see the QB you like, absolutely grab them. Right away. If you're not sure, then take the roster-building SF approach.

If they don’t like the QB at 3 then they have to go a different route, you can’t draft a player you don’t believe in. There’s a good possibility that is what they did with Mac Jones and it turned out to be a terrible decision. IMO the QB is there at 3, but I have only a fraction of the knowledge they have about these prospects. So if they really don’t believe in these QB’s then they have to figure out what their best options are, and for me that means making a trade out that brings back an additional 1st round pick next year, because if they can’t get their franchise QB in this draft they will almost certainly have to use as least two first round picks to move up for them in 25.” But I would still try to stay as close to the top of the draft as possible, so maybe a trade to the Giants at 6. However, if they have to drop to Atlanta at 8, or further down I wouldn’t make the trade unless it swapped first, and gave them first round picks in 25’ and 26’. That’s what S.F. gave up to move up to 3 a few years ago, and I would demand that much for that move out of 3.


I will say this, moving on from Belichick to a new regime with these needs, their picks, and this much $$$ to spend has certainly made for a much more interesting offseason than we are used to.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Wilson would be interesting. If pats could get him at 75% of his peak thats a coup
I just said Jacoby cuz of his NE past and by all accounts his teammates respect him and he can play, I think he's underrated. I was surprised the commanders were so quick to give Howell the reigns.

Wilson is completely delusional, he really believes he’s the same QB he was 5 years ago. I don’t want anything to do with him.