Everyone in the AFC East except for one team has appeared to upgrade

[mgteich]

Agreed.

It was very easy for folks to be so arrogant in 2005, after having just won three of four Super Bowls. How many fans have ever been in that position in the history of the nfl?[

QUOTE=Deus Irae;1762875]On the other hand, some of the same types of people who used to make fun of the Colts fans who were fine with 12-14 wins and getting bounced from the playoffs every year are suddenly comfortable with 11-5 and no playoffs followed by 10-6 and a wildcard round ass kicking.[/QUOTE]

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

Dunno how it could be enjoyable to post regularly on a forum where literally everybody thinks that you're a complete idiot. Even if they're wrong (they're not, btw), it's still borderline masochistic to keep coming back. Pretty sad, really.

Care to shed some light on the matter, DW?

I cant read anymore of this thread after that comment. Too funny

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

Good post sir! They were exploited in that game. I just don't understand how a reasonable comment questioning if the other AFC East teams appeared to get better. Now you have one guy claim he is mind channeling with Belichick, yet I am an idiot. Holy cheese and pass the asprin.

It's been homer city on this site.....duck! The children are playing on computers.

Now watch this. Nine...eight...seven.......

DW Toys

Your posting in not "reasonable", it's idiotic. Even an imbecile should be able to comprehend that that losing a receiver who caught 123 balls in 13 games would have MAJOR ramifications on an offense going into the playoffs.

The same imbecile should realize that such a major loss would have major effect on the QB play.

As such, the imbecile should realize that the end of the 2009 was major bad luck. However, with a fully healthy QB and two second year receivers, the problem can be rectified in 2010.

Your origional post is stupid in many ways

It's March. The Pats have 4 picks in the top 64 in a draft deemed to be the deepest in almost 30 years. It's completely idiotic for any fan to sit here in MARCH and whine about off season moves.

Your understanding of improvement needs..well... improvement. Do you grasp the concept of rookies and second year players? Why is it so hard to comprehend that very young players through the exercise of experience will be better next year? Vollmer, Chung, Butler, Edelman, Guyton, Mayo, Pryor will all bet better.

On the week 1 show, Berman and his clowns discussed Brady's injury and how ACL's are a two year process. If the ESPN rejects can figure this out, why can't certain portions of this fan base? A Brady returning to full form in more significant than all other division moves combined.

My problem with you, the Douche Irae, Condom 84, Hey Bro, zero IQ is not the constant negativity or stupidity in your posts. Your constant infection of threads has caused many fantastic posters to leave this site.

Man, how I miss the "XXXXX was cut, any interest?" threads and the "turmoil" those threads caused!!!

 

[Ring 6]

We won the division and 10 games in 2009. We've done that almost every year for a decade. Most folks are still complaining, including dw and tanked. Why would you expect that to stop with another year of 10 or more wins and another division title?

There is a big area in between sucking and winning a championship.
There are many things in between that can be 'acceptable' within the big picture.
Perpetually winning 10 games is borderline mediocrity. Competing for champinships, winning them more than rarely and having a 10 win division title BAD year is more along the lines of accpetable.
I think this is the big difference between the homers and haters.
"Haters" tend to expect perfection or something close to it, and see anything but a championship as a bad year, while 'homers' tend to look thorugh the perspective that there are 31 other teams out there trying to win and being amond the top 5-10 every year, the top few many years and the best more often than anyone else is a hell of an accomplishment, and the disappointment of less than a title is tempered by that.
I guess all fans are disappointed when todays results are worse than yesterdays, it just comes down to whether you see the team you root for as only as good as their last game (and therefore spend as much time angry at your team as hopeful for them) or take your medicine in large, long term doses.

 

[tanked_as_usual]

ZING.....LOL at the tough, smart guy

do you really believe that the pats were going anywhere last year even with welker? last time I checked, he would not have been in position to stip ray rice on the ravens first play from scrimmage, either.......a WR was not going to make up for the playoff disaster last year....deal with it

you should go wash your mouth out with soap or something

Your posting in not "reasonable", it's idiotic. Even an imbecile should be able to comprehend that that losing a receiver who caught 123 balls in 13 games would have MAJOR ramifications on an offense going into the playoffs.

The same imbecile should realize that such a major loss would have major effect on the QB play.

As such, the imbecile should realize that the end of the 2009 was major bad luck. However, with a fully healthy QB and two second year receivers, the problem can be rectified in 2010.

Your origional post is stupid in many ways

It's March. The Pats have 4 picks in the top 64 in a draft deemed to be the deepest in almost 30 years. It's completely idiotic for any fan to sit here in MARCH and whine about off season moves.

Your understanding of improvement needs..well... improvement. Do you grasp the concept of rookies and second year players? Why is it so hard to comprehend that very young players through the exercise of experience will be better next year? Vollmer, Chung, Butler, Edelman, Guyton, Mayo, Pryor will all bet better.

On the week 1 show, Berman and his clowns discussed Brady's injury and how ACL's are a two year process. If the ESPN rejects can figure this out, why can't certain portions of this fan base? A Brady returning to full form in more significant than all other division moves combined.

My problem with you, the Douche Irae, Condom 84, Hey Bro, zero IQ is not the constant negativity or stupidity in your posts. Your constant infection of threads has caused many fantastic posters to leave this site.

Man, how I miss the "XXXXX was cut, any interest?" threads and the "turmoil" those threads caused!!!

 

[Sicilian]

My problem with you, the Douche Irae, Condom 84, Hey Bro, zero IQ is not the constant negativity or stupidity in your posts. Your constant infection of threads has caused many fantastic posters to leave this site.

I may agree with your overall sentiment, but childish name-calling makes it very hard to side with you. It's pretty much the same reason I dislike most of (not all) the negative posters on this board. It's not what they're saying, it's the attitude and arrogance with which they spew it.

 

[DW Toys]

It's been negative city here, buddy, and it's driving people away. It's natural to have some backlash now.

But I've got to say DW, you are my favorite negative poster. I mean, I rarely agree with you, but I like you. You seem like a decent guy. And coming from me, that should mean very little.

PJ, I appreciate it. You are a class act. I know you throw me a barb now and then and I am not always correct. At least I admit it.
You are one of the most respected posters on this site. I wish others were the same but I believe we have a lot of high school kids that invade this forum and it escalates into name calling for some reason. School yard stuff. They kind of ran Mayo off too. It's a mob mentality......you know, torches and pitchforks.
I do this for fun and entertainment and I do try to think these things through but yes, way out of the box sometimes. Why not? I even spend a lot of time even doing the research. I like to see reasonable and thoughtful responses.

From DW the goy.-A leben ahf dir!
Thank you,
DW Toys

 

[tanked_as_usual]

I may agree with your overall sentiment, but childish name-calling makes it very hard to side with you. It's pretty much the same reason I dislike most of (not all) the negative posters on this board. It's not what they're saying, it's the attitude and arrogance with which they spew it.

arrogance? like the arrogance the homer spew around here?

its the same arrogance

 

[livinginthe past]

PJ, I appreciate it. You are a class act. I know you throw me a barb now and then and I am not always correct. At least I admit it.
You are one of the most respected posters on this site. I wish others were the same but I believe we have a lot of high school kids that invade this forum and it escalates into name calling for some reason. School yard stuff. They kind of ran Mayo off too. It's a mob mentality......you know, torches and pitchforks.
I do this for fun and entertainment and I do try to think these things through but yes, way out of the box sometimes. Why not? I even spend a lot of time even doing the research. I like to see reasonable and thoughtful responses.

From DW the goy.-A leben ahf dir!
Thank you,
DW Toys

Sitting in front of Madden 2011 with your pants around your ankles isn't 'research'.

 

[DW Toys]

Your posting in not "reasonable", it's idiotic. Even an imbecile should be able to comprehend that that losing a receiver who caught 123 balls in 13 games would have MAJOR ramifications on an offense going into the playoffs.

The same imbecile should realize that such a major loss would have major effect on the QB play.

As such, the imbecile should realize that the end of the 2009 was major bad luck. However, with a fully healthy QB and two second year receivers, the problem can be rectified in 2010.

Your origional post is stupid in many ways

It's March. The Pats have 4 picks in the top 64 in a draft deemed to be the deepest in almost 30 years. It's completely idiotic for any fan to sit here in MARCH and whine about off season moves.

Your understanding of improvement needs..well... improvement. Do you grasp the concept of rookies and second year players? Why is it so hard to comprehend that very young players through the exercise of experience will be better next year? Vollmer, Chung, Butler, Edelman, Guyton, Mayo, Pryor will all bet better.

On the week 1 show, Berman and his clowns discussed Brady's injury and how ACL's are a two year process. If the ESPN rejects can figure this out, why can't certain portions of this fan base? A Brady returning to full form in more significant than all other division moves combined.

My problem with you, the Douche Irae, Condom 84, Hey Bro, zero IQ is not the constant negativity or stupidity in your posts. Your constant infection of threads has caused many fantastic posters to leave this site.

Man, how I miss the "XXXXX was cut, any interest?" threads and the "turmoil" those threads caused!!!

You know what? Your right! You win. End of argument. So there.
DW Toys

 

[DW Toys]

Sitting in front of Madden 2011 with your pants around your ankles isn't 'research'.

You know what? You win too. You have caught me. I confess. I spend all day looking at Madden 2011 for the "ratings" and I send them out to you guys to nail me. Darn the John Madden! You have won the argument, but you should still be in class.
DW Toys

 

[Patjew]

PJ, I appreciate it. You are a class act. I know you throw me a barb now and then and I am not always correct. At least I admit it.
You are one of the most respected posters on this site. I wish others were the same but I believe we have a lot of high school kids that invade this forum and it escalates into name calling for some reason. School yard stuff. They kind of ran Mayo off too. It's a mob mentality......you know, torches and pitchforks.
I do this for fun and entertainment and I do try to think these things through but yes, way out of the box sometimes. Why not? I even spend a lot of time even doing the research. I like to see reasonable and thoughtful responses.

From DW the goy.-A leben ahf dir!
Thank you,
DW Toys

Kind words. I can get petty sometimes... I'm working on that.

The thing I like about you is you can and do admit when you think you were wrong. More of us should do that.

I believe this place should be fun. We should also try to be objective.

Shalom, cuz.

 

[livinginthe past]

arrogance? like the arrogance the homer spew around here?

its the same arrogance

Its not the same 'arrogance' at all.

I have guys like you grouped into slightly differing categories.

1. The guy who uses his football team of choice as an extension of his ego. This guy loves to follow a winner, it allows him to have a weapon to fight the arguments he's so used to losing.
Woe betide the team that lets this guy down for a year or two: he'll react angrily to having his favorite weapon taken away from him.

2. The childish contrarian. He likes to make snippy little comments, take a deliberately negative viewpoint - its gets him the attention he craves. Most football fans naturally gravitate towards homerism - not this guy!

He's a 'realist' and he'll tell you dumb homers exactly where its at!

3. The troll from another fanbase.

I'd much rather believe that all the guys with the stupidly negative attitude where simply trolls from other fanbases - but I don't think thats the case.

For what its worth, you are a type 2 - I fully expect some low level sarcasm as a retort - maybe a 'thanks professor' or some such.

 

[Sicilian]

arrogance? like the arrogance the homer spew around here?

its the same arrogance

Hence, why I equated said complaint with the poster I quoted, who is playing the role of the "homer" view in this thread. My post wasn't about point of view, it was about the means of conveying that point of view.

I'll use a made up example from both sides:

Homer view I respect: "There were early reports that Dansby had a list of teams he was interested in, and the Pats were not among them. It's possible they never really had a chance to get him, if they indeed wanted to, so they can't be blamed for not signing him."

Homer view I don't respect: "Um, if BB really wanted Dansby, you don't think he'd go out and get him? Last I checked BB knows more than some forum clown, <insert non-clever play on username here>." (This type of post, instead of making a point in support of the Pats move, instead implies that questioning of said move is off limits, which makes for very boring discussions).

Negative view I respect: I really think we missed out on the Boldin deal, because <insert argument here>. This could come back to haunt us.

Negative view I don't respect: "Gee, guess BB thinks DAVID PATTEN is the answer " (Again, what this type of post does is take a situation where we passed or perhaps had no opportunity at a player, and exagerrates it into a sign of incompetence or deliberate unwillfulness to improve the team on the part of BB.)

So yes, there are arrogant stances on both sides.

 

[condon84]

My problem with you, the Douche Irae, Condom 84, Hey Bro, zero IQ is not the constant negativity or stupidity in your posts. Your constant infection of threads has caused many fantastic posters to leave this site.

I may not agree with the premise of this thread, but to lump as all in as negative posters is ignorance on your part. The most objective posts I see are made by what you may perceive as a negative poster. There are also a lot of very good posts by some of the Pats' apologists, but for the most part, if someone post what you or others may perceive as a slight to the Pats, that person gets vilified.

 

[livinginthe past]

Hence, why I equated said complaint with the poster I quoted, who is playing the role of the "homer" view in this thread. My post wasn't about point of view, it was about the means of conveying that point of view.

I'll use a made up example from both sides:

Homer view I respect: "There were early reports that Dansby had a list of teams he was interested in, and the Pats were not among them. It's possible they never really had a chance to get him, if they indeed wanted to, so they can't be blamed for not signing him."

Homer view I don't respect: "Um, if BB really wanted Dansby, you don't think he'd go out and get him? Last I checked BB knows more than some forum clown, <insert non-clever play on username here>." (This type of post, instead of making a point in support of the Pats move, instead implies that questioning of said move is off limits, which makes for very boring discussions).

Negative view I respect: I really think we missed out on the Boldin deal, because <insert argument here>. This could come back to haunt us.

Negative view I don't respect: "Gee, guess BB thinks DAVID PATTEN is the answer " (Again, what this type of post does is take a situation where we passed or perhaps had no opportunity at a player, and exagerrates it into a sign of incompetence or deliberate unwillfulness to improve the team on the part of BB.)

So yes, there are arrogant stances on both sides.

Of which exaggerated type do you think we suffer the most with?

I can guarantee you thats its the 'negative view you don't respect' that plays the role of provocateur around here - those are the guys starting endless inane threads.

People want to come here and talk about football in a reasonable way, not be faced with a bunch of rabid idiots who think our F.O. doesn;t know how to build a winning franchise or maybe doesn't even want to build winning franchise.

This forum is a good source for breaking Patriots news, but the general tone is of one i'd expect from a Lions message board.

 

[Patjew]

Of which exaggerated type do you think we suffer the most with?

I can guarantee you thats its the 'negative view you don't respect' that plays the role of provocateur around here - those are the guys starting endless inane threads.

People want to come here and talk about football in a reasonable way, not be faced with a bunch of rabid idiots who think our F.O. doesn;t know how to build a winning franchise or maybe doesn't even want to build winning franchise.

This forum is a good source for breaking Patriots news, but the general tone is of one i'd expect from a Lions message board.

You should post more.

 

[Sicilian]

Of which exaggerated type do you think we suffer the most with?

I can guarantee you thats its the 'negative view you don't respect' that plays the role of provocateur around here - those are the guys starting endless inane threads.

People want to come here and talk about football in a reasonable way, not be faced with a bunch of rabid idiots who think our F.O. doesn;t know how to build a winning franchise or maybe doesn't even want to build winning franchise.

This forum is a good source for breaking Patriots news, but the general tone is of one i'd expect from a Lions message board.

Hey, they frustrate me too, but does it make the thread better to counter those posts with equally volatile posts, just from the opposite direction? All that does is enflame the argument, and what you get eventually is the breakdown we're seeing here, where the thread becomes more about the posters than the post.

I don't use the ignore function, because most of the time I can read a post I think is ridiculous and simply ignore it on my own. It doesn't really ruin my posting experience to see an outlandish view. If I can counter it, I do. Sometimes I start to, realize halfway through I don't really want to get into the bicker war, and I move on.

 

[livinginthe past]

Hey, they frustrate me too, but does it make the thread better to counter those posts with equally volatile posts, just from the opposite direction? All that does is enflame the argument, and what you get eventually is the breakdown we're seeing here, where the thread becomes more about the posters than the post.

I don't use the ignore function, because most of the time I can read a post I think is ridiculous and simply ignore it on my own. It doesn't really ruin my posting experience to see an outlandish view. If I can counter it, I do. Sometimes I start to, realize halfway through I don't really want to get into the bicker war, and I move on.

I'm surely guilty of volatile posts.

I don't think I represent an extreme homer viewpoint.

We have issues that need addressing for sure, the offensive playcalling last year was abysmal for the most part.

The evidence of that is in the consistent lack of production in the second half of multiple games.

The thing that piques my ire, is that these people start off from such a ridiculous start point any attempt to debate with them is pointless.

And they aren't just joining in existing discussions adding their viewpoint, they are effectively spamming the board with dross.

The quality of the board is greatly reduced, good posters are moving away - I feel like we are losing a battle.

 

[reflexblue]

Food Fight.. I know, i know i threw some of the food.

Not the picture i wanted though, i wanted the picture of John Belushi yelling food fight from Animal House.