Eric Rowe

[Ring 6]

On top of that, there is the one-year discounting factor that NFL team execs tend to use. That is to say, NFL GMs tend to view a 2018 4th round pick as equivalent to a 2017 5th round pick. So Belichick paid the 5th round pick price.

(This was seen explicitly in the Richard Seymour trade, where Al Davis gave Belichick the choice of a 2nd round pick in 2010 or a 1st rounder in 2011, and Belichick took the latter which was used to draft Nate Solder.)

I don't really buy that. I agree it applies when a team NEEDS to trade up, but ultimately its the same thing. In other words, I will trade you my 3rd this year for your 2nd next year, and make it a permanent trade for the next 20 years and I will end up with 20 2nds for your 20 3rds. The one year earlier that you got a player doesn't really make that much of a difference.
The discounting is supply and demand, not value.

 

[BobDigital]

Though BB isn't usually the type to "go all in" This kinda has the feel of an all in year to win a super bowl.

 

[Ring 6]

Whne kline stepped in last year he played well but other than that hes a jag. His play was inconsistant at best. Sometimes he'd play well but most of the time he wasn't very good.

When did he play well?

 

[willard]

Glad it is an '18 pick because next years seems high.

Loosing Kline's salary is a good thing. We have descent depth in the interior and I am guessing Cooper can suit up and play this weekend.

Have not seem him play the position, but my guess is Mason could be developed into a probowl center.

 

[Deus Irae]

Eagles fan takes:

If they got Kline and a 4th that is a good trade....most beat writers were sure that Rowe was going to get cut. Besides looking terrible in every preseason game he looked terrible in practice. Oddly enough, he looked even stiffer this year than he did last year. To get a decent O lin guy and a 4th rounder seems pretty good. All the talk about him playing safety seems more wishful thinking because they tried him there in practice and it seems like he did not make much of an impression there. Either way he clearly was not in Schwartz's plans so it is a good move.

It's probably a good move, considering his future here, but it's just disappointing that we haven't drafted a respectable DB since Sheldon Brown.

Overall it's an uninspiring trade. He was so bad this preseason, but it's hard to justify giving up on a young DB like that. Especially when he seemed to be out of position.

Either way I think it's stupid to move him this soon.

And on the other side of the ledger:

Seems like a good move. I wasn't real happy with Rowe's performance, and they needed another OL body.

That said, Rowe will now turn into an all-world quality DB.

Rowe will be in Hawaii next year.

Maybe howie has a bonus clause in his contract for amount of trades in one year.

 

[patriot1136]

Sorry if this was mentioned, but I don't want to read back through all 9 pages. Who starts at guard for us now? i guess this means Chris Barker stays around too? Will we cut a corner to make room for Rowe?

 

[JMC00]

All the CB height whores on here should be happy with this move

 

[primetime]

Whne kline stepped in last year he played well but other than that hes a jag. His play was inconsistant at best. Sometimes he'd play well but most of the time he wasn't very good.

He gave up 11 pressures in the AFCCG. When people say this guy can be a backup but shouldn't be a starter, you still want them to be non-liabilities if they're forced into starting. Kline was a known liability.

 

[JMC00]

Sorry if this was mentioned, but I don't want to read back through all 9 pages. Who starts at guard for us now? i guess this means Chris Barker stays around too? Will we cut a corner to make room for Rowe?

Cooper or Mason

Barker is on the PS

No. No one needs to be cut because it is a player for player trade

 

[NG Pats Fan]

Depends because there are zero cases of civer age ability being the same. Taller corners tend to struggle with certain things that are different than what typical sized corners do. That's why you don't see a lot of talk corners. The skill set required to cover makes it harder for a talker guy to do all things equal.
There just aren't many plays in a football game, or season for that matter that an inch 2 higher reach is the difference in a play being made or not.
Same with WRs, height is just a very overrated feature.

Strongly disagree. Height is NOT overrated. height is very important at WR

 

[Ring 6]

Strongly disagree. Height is NOT overrated. height is very important at WR

Then we will have to disagree.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

Then we will have to disagree.

Give me the 5 best WRs in NFL history and let's look at there height. Guarantee most of if not all of them are above 6' tall

 

[Ring 6]

Sorry if this was mentioned, but I don't want to read back through all 9 pages. Who starts at guard for us now? i guess this means Chris Barker stays around too? Will we cut a corner to make room for Rowe?

1) Thuney and Cooper or Mason
2) Barker is on the practice squad
3) Kline made room for Rowe.

 

[patriot1136]

Does J. Jones go since we have an abundance of corners now?

 

[RobertWeathers]

Depends because there are zero cases of civer age ability being the same. Taller corners tend to struggle with certain things that are different than what typical sized corners do. That's why you don't see a lot of talk corners. The skill set required to cover makes it harder for a talker guy to do all things equal.
There just aren't many plays in a football game, or season for that matter that an inch 2 higher reach is the difference in a play being made or not.
Same with WRs, height is just a very overrated feature.

Define taller corner. Is 6-0 a taller CB? is 6-1?

Sounds like you are not considering the length and reach taller corners have an how much ground they make up with their length. Take Richard Sherman for example. Hes 6-3 . Patrick Peterson is 6-1. Also depends on the defensive style being played.

Again, it depends on the athletic ability of the CB. If the ability to cover is the same, I will take the taller player and or the player with longer arms

 

[AzPatsFan]

Just to be clear: he's not referring to Barkevious Mingo, but Ted Karras, whose uncle Alex played Mongo in Blazing Saddles. (He also played George Papadopoulos in Webster.)

You forgot to mention that Alex Karras was an AllPro DT for the Lions when they were good, and I believe a DPOY like JJ Watt. He also had a tiff with the NFL Commish like Brady.

 

[RobertWeathers]

On top of being on a losy team how good was his coaching? I'm sure he'll learn a lot more here.

Not sure what kind of coaching he got. Personally I think Chip is a good coach but his defensive scheme was very questionable.

 

[Ring 6]

Give me the 5 best WRs in NFL history and let's look at there height. Guarantee most of not all of them are above 6' tall

There are good receivers that are tall and good receivers that are not. 6'0" is hardly a reasonable cutoff for 'tall WR'.

 

[Brady6]

2018 conditional 4th round pick.

They will likely receive a compensatory pick in 4th or 5th round for Ryan.

 

[Ring 6]

Define taller corner. Is 6-0 a taller CB? is 6-1?

Sounds like you are not considering the length and reach taller corners have an how much ground they make up with their length. Take Richard Sherman for example. Hes 6-3 . Patrick Peterson is 6-1. Also depends on the defensive style being played.

Again, it depends on the athletic ability of the CB. If the ability to cover is the same, I will take the taller player and or the player with longer arms

Yes, and the skillset of a corner is more likely found in a guy who is 5'10" than a guy who is 6'2".