Edelman: "Jimmy G is a stud"

[borg]

Get the 1st for JG
Use the bounty provided by this extra pick (trade down/trade into next year/wash rinse repeat) to draft a QB every year indefinitely to find the next GOAT
Simple ......at no extra cost

 

[farn]

Get the 1st for JG
Use the bounty provided by this extra pick (trade down/trade into next year/wash rinse repeat) to draft a QB every year indefinitely to find the next GOAT
Simple ......at no extra cost

If only it was "simple" to find the GOAT... if it WAS, teams would be able to beat NE instead of losing yearly & such.

 

[1960Pats]

I think that once Garoppolo gets a chance to play regularly there'll be a lot of teams who'll wish they had him. Hopefully the Pats won't be one of those teams.

 

[ALP]

You ride Brady out, he deserves at least that much

There's other logical factors too, but you don't need them

You ride Brady out

 

[Sfpat]

The Pats should make a handshake agreement with JimmyG like, go son, we are gonna trade you, go there, play, get some experience, make some money, and get back here in 3 or 4 years to assume this franchise.

Almost like happens in soccer when teams borrow players from other teams for like 6 months or a year, but in this case would be done in NFL terms.

This is also my scenario. Pats trade JG to Cleveland for a kings ransom (2 1sts and 2 2nds). Jimmy plays great, but doesn't sign an extension. Cleveland then tags him for two years after which he becomes a free agent, the day before Brady announces his retirement......

 

[long distance]

Garapolo has one OTHER critical attribute that you can't help not notice that hasn't been mentioned much. He teammates LOVE to play for him. Just rellok at the post game locker room clip and see how his teammates react to him.

So much about being a good QB is more than than arm strength, how quick your release is, and your stats. You NEED your QB to be able to get his team to believe in him. You need him to make them want to make plays for him. And in the 2 games JG played it was clear for anyone who wanted to look, JG HAS that ability.

It's unfortunate for him, that in 99 times out of a 100, he would BE the next QB of the Patriots.after next season. But Tom Brady really is that one in a hundred guy, who will play at a high level for another 2 or 3 years and, in the end, the timing just wasn't right for the Pats to keep him. It's as simple as that.

Great point, Ken. The only thing we DO know for a fact is that he is still on the team. Let's just wait and see..

btw - a question: if what is said about Jimmy (by teammates, Lombardi etc.) is true .. and moreover - if what we saw with our own eyes is true .. what is more valuable long-term for Pats: keeping Bennett for 2y 15M or keeping Jimmy for 2y 25M just to see how things play out. (Jimmy could come cheaper having the same agent as TB&Jules)

Of course the #1 reality for Jimmy is - he wants to play NOW. He is ready. And Jules intervention here (sharing the same agent) could indeed be in that direction..

Fortunatelly, BB will have the last say..

 

[Simpelton]

Next question

Not really. The New England Patriots are not well known for holding onto a player out of sentiment. Brady is a legend, but if the franchise decides the correct move in order to keep winning, is to put the GOAT out to pasture and move on with a younger QB in order to get themselves geared up to keep contending for Superbowls over the next decade... well I wouldn't feel great about it but I couldn't overtly disagree with the decision, and I doubt you could either.

If you are convinced that Garroppolo is the future of the New England Patriots, then 2-3 years of Brady is not actually worth giving up on grooming Garroppolo to be your quarterback for the next 15. And you have to make the kind of tough call that Bill Belichick is very well known for being able and willing to make.

That said I definitely choose not to make the decision this offseason. Fresh off a Superbowl there's no need to think about it. But Tom Brady, while he is a huge part of the past and present of this franchise, is not the future, and as long as we depend solely on Brady as our QB, the days of the dynasty are numbered. Sometimes in order to secure succession, you have to do a hard thing.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Time to Franchise Jimmy and see how Tom looks after next year

Yeah, let's spend a major fraction of our cap on a backup QB who won't play unless an unlikely injury happens because it's not like we have key playoff difference making starters to resign or holes to fill with competent FAs.

 

[Deus Irae]

Not really.

Yes, really

The New England Patriots are not well known for holding onto a player out of sentiment.

Kind of the point...

 

[Clonamery]

Not really. The New England Patriots are not well known for holding onto a player out of sentiment. Brady is a legend, but if the franchise decides the correct move in order to keep winning, is to put the GOAT out to pasture and move on with a younger QB in order to get themselves geared up to keep contending for Superbowls over the next decade... well I wouldn't feel great about it but I couldn't overtly disagree with the decision, and I doubt you could either.

If you are convinced that Garroppolo is the future of the New England Patriots, then 2-3 years of Brady is not actually worth giving up on grooming Garroppolo to be your quarterback for the next 15. And you have to make the kind of tough call that Bill Belichick is very well known for being able and willing to make.

That said I definitely choose not to make the decision this offseason. Fresh off a Superbowl there's no need to think about it. But Tom Brady, while he is a huge part of the past and present of this franchise, is not the future, and as long as we depend solely on Brady as our QB, the days of the dynasty are numbered. Sometimes in order to secure succession, you have to do a hard thing.

Thanks for joining last Monday. Your post indicates that you are not a Pats Fan or you have an aneurism and should stop what you're doing and get to an emergency room. Seriously.

 

[GoBlue]

Well, it's all on Jimmy G's shoulders. If he tells the Patriots he doesn't want to sit for 3-5 more years then they should move him instead of letting him play out his option. It won't be what the Pats want . It will be what Jimmy wants.

 

[Simpelton]

Yes, really



Kind of the point...

I'm not really wedded to JimmyG-as-the-future narrative, but if people think he's ready, and we're on the verge of losing him to another team who needs a starting QB, then you have to be able to at least look at the situation and analyze. Turning your back, putting your fingers in your ears and going "nah nah nah nah" (while I fully understand the impetus to do so) is not productive to the conversation.

My point is that the decision to move on from Brady, even though we know he's still got a drop or so of gas in the tank, may nonetheless be the decision that keeps this franchise on the winning path for another decade. IF you think Jimmy G is the future, is 2-3 slowly declining years from the GOAT really worth sacrificing the opportunity to break a highly talented young kid into the league with a very powerful roster full of proven winners all around him and give him his chance to really learn the business in the best possible environment? How does the value balance really stack up when you're not making the frankly ludicrous assumption that we can pull another QB out of our collective posteriors whenever we happen to need one?

How replaceable do you think #1 franchise quarterbacks are that you throw one away when you're so close to needing him yourself?

There IS some merit to the notion of turning the GOAT out to pasture within the next 18 months. Giving Brady some wilderness years at the end of his career would suck, but not as much as not being able to replace him with an above average or better QB as soon as he's gone. If you are convinced Jimmy G is that guy, then this franchise has a hard choice to make and no easy answers.

 

[Deus Irae]

I'm not really wedded to JimmyG-as-the-future narrative, but if people think he's ready, and we're on the verge of losing him to another team who needs a starting QB, then you have to be able to at least look at the situation and analyze. Turning your back, putting your fingers in your ears and going "nah nah nah nah" (while I fully understand the impetus to do so) is not productive to the conversation.

My point is that the decision to move on from Brady, even though we know he's still got a drop or so of gas in the tank, may nonetheless be the decision that keeps this franchise on the winning path for another decade. IF you think Jimmy G is the future, is 2-3 slowly declining years from the GOAT really worth sacrificing the opportunity to break a highly talented young kid into the league with a very powerful roster full of proven winners all around him and give him his chance to really learn the business in the best possible environment? How does the value balance really stack up by year 6, when you're not making the frankly ludicrous assumption that we can pull another QB out of our collective posteriors whenever we happen to need one?

You don't trade Brady. How difficult is it for people to grasp that simple line?

How replaceable do you think #1 franchise quarterbacks are that you throw one away when you're so close to needing him yourself?

Quick! Name all the #1 franchise quarterbacks who've been to 7 Super Bowls, won 5 of them, and were still the best quarterbacks in the league at 39 years old.

I'll wait while you compile that extensive list.

 

[jan08]

Not really.

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[PatsWickedPissah]

I'm beginning to think that The Squirrel really needs to come to terms with his sexuality.

 

[bormio]

Let me know the day the Patriots decide to trade Tom Brady. I want to be as far away as possible so as to avoid the fallout from the nuclear explosion.

 

[tasmlab]

I'm not comfortable trading him. Mostly because I don't think Brisset is an NFL QB ( In case TB was injured).

He can't be too much worse than some of Brady's sole back ups over the years.

Interesting that JE11 compared him to Favre and Rodgers when there is a much more flattering QB comparison closer to home.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

You ride Brady out, he deserves at least that much

There's other logical factors too, but you don't need them

You ride Brady out

Yup, my thinking exactly. I would ride brady into the dirt until he can't win any more super bowls. As a franchise we will regret moving on from him.

 

[Simpelton]

You don't trade Brady. How difficult is it for people to grasp that simple line?

Because it's not simple anymore. It was simple as late as a year or two ago, but 40 is a big number, and his next season is his age 40 campaign. The beginning of the end is at hand within the next handful of years. The next time Brady goes down for an extended period of time could be the last time he ever plays. A distinct chance exists that neither Brady nor Garroppolo is available to this team by week 5 next season. Some hard choices need to be made here.

No one has a greater lifetime achievement than Tom Brady but that by itself is a reason not to wed yourself to the man body and soul. Because it's his lifetime achievement and indicates a very long lifetime that extends into the past. A glorious, amazing past, but still a past.

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Not here to troll dude. But you can't just wed yourself body and soul to a player who's in the last years of his career. Fans may not want to contemplate the end of Brady's era, and it's hard to blame them, but I'm willing to bet that this franchise intends to play football for at least a few years after Tom Brady's retirement. They HAVE to think about this stuff, and that means that as fans, we should be prepared to do the same.

This franchise isn't interested in dying when Brady dies. It rode Brady to the top, but if I know the Pats as well as I think I do, they have no intention of riding him back to the bottom. We'll be watching Patriots football for decades after Brady's gone. It's time for the franchise and its fans to consider what the post-Brady era needs to look like -- and whether, and when, to force that era to begin. Because whether we like it or not, we're one big injury anytime in the next 2-3 seasons away from it beginning immediately. The end is coming, and the end is imminent, at least in terms of franchise planning and this franchise needs to have a plan in place for how it will deal with that.

 

[Double TE]

Time to Franchise Jimmy and see how Tom looks after next year

If NE has the salary cap flexibility then I would 100% do it.