Ed Reed suspended 1 game for repeat violations of hits to head of defenseless players

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Hopefully Rivers isn't in a gift giving mood next Sunday, the Chargers should have a legit shot here.

 

[PatriotSeven]

One hurt, one suspended and one to go...



We won't forget Ravens. Or at least I won't.

Must suck for them to have lost the graces of the refs and the league. This team's defense is one of the dirtiest there is in the NFL. Without being able to get away with things like that, their defense will start looking less spectacular. Hope we see them in the playoffs and I hope, for once, our guys push back.

 

[mayoclinic]

That's why I hate the Ravens. Such dirty playing team.

I hate the Jailbirds. But Ed Reed is NOT a dirty player, and I've never seem him intentionally headhunt. He's a physical player, as he is supposed to be, as are many players on our team who we laud for such play. Jerod Mayo's hit was clean - he could be suspended for a game if he accrues mutliple such hits. Brandon Spikes is intensively physical, and considered "dirty" by some. There are a lot of scumbags on the Ravens, but Reed isn't one of them, and it's a mockery of the game that he's the guy being suspended.

 

[Big-T]

I hate the Jailbirds. But Ed Reed is NOT a dirty player, and I've never seem him intentionally headhunt.

The hit on Edelman in the EZ looked intentional.

 

[TriplecHamp]

I have seen Ed Reed target plenty of times. Great player but he makes no effort to hit guys below the neck. His suspension is deserved and this is coming from a defensive minded fan who sympathizes with defenders in todays NFL.

 

[ThatllMoveTheChains!!!]

Good, that's too many stupid hits by him. Hopefully this will convince him to stop leading with his helmet.

 

[MrNathanDrake]

I don't think Reed is a dirty player. He's just old school.

 

[ausbacker]

I don't think Reed is a dirty player. He's just old school.

Let's not pretend people wouldn't be pleased to see Patriots DB's playing hard, tough and physical football. It's something the secondary has missed since Meriweather was released.

 

[Hardboiled]

...how far behind can Brandon Spikes be if this is the direction things are going?

I was thinking the same thing. Spikes has got at least 2 fines for head shots I think. I suspect that Reed doesn't get suspended if Roger doesn't take so much heat for QB concussions the week before. But something like a suspension has to have been in the plans for repeated hits. The smaller fines can't be that effective.

 

[Yehoodi]

The hit on Edelman in the EZ looked intentional.

I am not a fan of head hits and spend plenty of time on the internet upholding the penalties as i do niot like head hits and glad to see the NFL is taking a stand on head hits, altho perhaps the Ed Reed hits was not the worst, but then again this is not his first rodeo of head hits this year . . .

I am going to say that I thought the hit on Edelman was clean, altho it looked worse . . . he hit him high and with his hands to just below the head, so for me I am fine with that hit . . .

 

[RoughingthePasser]

I wanted the Ravens to lose too

 

[Kontradiction]

I'm bookmarking this thread just to see how many opinions do a complete 180 should we sign Reed in the offseason.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

One hurt, one suspended and one to go...



We won't forget Ravens. Or at least I won't.

Must suck for them to have lost the graces of the refs and the league. This team's defense is one of the dirtiest there is in the NFL. Without being able to get away with things like that, their defense will start looking less spectacular. Hope we see them in the playoffs and I hope, for once, our guys push back.

How the ref standing a few feet away didn't call that is frankly pathetic (yes, I know they're replacements, but still). The penalty for that foul, of course, is 15 yards + disqualification.

 

[patfanken]

I can't wish too many bad things to happen to the Ravens, who I hate almost as much as the Jets. So I don't mind seeing Reed suspended. HOWEVER I hate this 3 strikes and your out precedent. Like the Mayo hit, so very often players get flagged on very arbitrary calls. Often an offensive player ducks his head right into a defensive player. If Reed had 3 hits like the Branch penalty, then fine. But I'd bet that the others were more in the gray area.

The Problem is that that now that precedent has been set, anytime a player gets a 3rd helmet hit penalty he is going to HAVE to be suspended....and all those gray area penalties will come into play. Its already affecting play negatively. Did anyone else recall Arrington pulling up up on Luck before making contact, when he could have just run through him in the chest, not long after Mayo was flagged.

I find it hard to figure out what a DB can do with the "defenseless receiver" penalty. The Pats got one of those the other night that I didn't understand. Yes the DB hit him when he was "defenseless", but his alternative was to let him catch the ball, and then wait for him to come down, set his feet and ask permission if it was alright to attempt tackle him.....gently.

 

[Deus Irae]

I'm bookmarking this thread just to see how many opinions do a complete 180 should we sign Reed in the offseason.

$400+k and missing the game is a ridiculous penalty, regardless of the players involved. The players have nobody to blame but themselves, though. They should have dealt with this in the CBA. They were too focused on getting screwed with the money while making sure they had fewer padded practices, though, so good job by them. :bricks:

 

[Kontradiction]

$400+k and missing the game is a ridiculous penalty, regardless of the players involved. The players have nobody to blame but themselves, though. They should have dealt with this in the CBA. They were too focused on getting screwed with the money while making sure they had fewer padded practices, though, so good job by them. :bricks:

I hear you. I was more or less talking about the word "dirty" getting thrown around here. Watch how many opinions completely change should he switch from wearing a Ratbird on his helmt to a Flying Elvis.

 

[Gumby]

I can't wish too many bad things to happen to the Ravens, who I hate almost as much as the Jets. So I don't mind seeing Reed suspended. HOWEVER I hate this 3 strikes and your out precedent. Like the Mayo hit, so very often players get flagged on very arbitrary calls. Often an offensive player ducks his head right into a defensive player. If Reed had 3 hits like the Branch penalty, then fine. But I'd bet that the others were more in the gray area.

The Problem is that that now that precedent has been set, anytime a player gets a 3rd helmet hit penalty he is going to HAVE to be suspended....and all those gray area penalties will come into play. Its already affecting play negatively. Did anyone else recall Arrington pulling up up on Luck before making contact, when he could have just run through him in the chest, not long after Mayo was flagged.

I find it hard to figure out what a DB can do with the "defenseless receiver" penalty. The Pats got one of those the other night that I didn't understand. Yes the DB hit him when he was "defenseless", but his alternative was to let him catch the ball, and then wait for him to come down, set his feet and ask permission if it was alright to attempt tackle him.....gently.

Agree wholeheartedly. The whole enforcement is idiotic.

Mangini actually gave a relatively good calm-rational point about it (compared to Hasselbeck who was freaking rabid about how stupid it was).

He mentioned that it is patently unfair for DBs/secondary players becasue of the fluid-dynamics of secondary play. they will be singled out, in particular Safeties, because the opportuntf for these types of hits occurring WITH NO INTENT, is so often.

they talked about how the LEAGUE's OWN TAPE explaining the rule to the players (before the season) showed a GOOD HIT and a BAD HIT. The only difference they said was "IN THE BAD HIT, THE WR CROUCHED DOWN [anticipating the hit]"

So how the heck can a defender FIX THAT????

This is like Polian-Redux. We will see a second explosion of Offense in the next 2-3 years as a result. HEY KIDS, 100pt games ARENT JUST FOR BB ANYMORE. :bricks:

 

[Deus Irae]

I hear you. I was more or less talking about the word "dirty" getting thrown around here. Watch how many opinions completely change should he switch from wearing a Ratbird on his helmt to a Flying Elvis.

Looking at my post, I see that it's a bit open and didn't offer the support to your post that I was intending. I was in 100% agreement with you and was just adding on to it.

Mea Culpa for not making my agreement with you on your point much clearer. I absolutely agree with you that many people will flip their arguments the way you were pointing out. We've seen it time and again (i.e. Moss).

 

[patfanken]

I hear you. I was more or less talking about the word "dirty" getting thrown around here. Watch how many opinions completely change should he switch from wearing a Ratbird on his helmt to a Flying Elvis.

That's the other thing that's ironic here. I've never seen Ed Reed as a dirty player over his career. I wouldn't have a bit of problem having him become a Patriot. While players like Cortland Finnegan and Pollard run free, its kind of funny that Ed Reed becomes the poster child for NFL safety vengeance. it makes no sense

BTW- I'm all for getting INTENTIONAL head shots out of the game, and a ejection for the first one, followed by an ejection AND suspension for the 2nd wouldn't be too much. HOWEVER the league has to recognize that sometimes ***** happens and a head shot can't be avoided. Flag it, if you must, but don't penalize the player for playing hard.

I know it will be hard to determine intent, but most of the time its easy. Things like the Merriweather hit, and the Branch hit, are clear. Others...not so much and should be adjudicated as such.

 

[ThatllMoveTheChains!!!]

I hear you. I was more or less talking about the word "dirty" getting thrown around here. Watch how many opinions completely change should he switch from wearing a Ratbird on his helmt to a Flying Elvis.

Most of the posts using the word dirty were referring to the Ravens in general. There might be 1-2 posts singling out Reed. On top of that I don't think anyone said they don't want him on the Pats; I'm pretty sure everyone will welcome him with open arms.

Just to be clear I'd love to see Reed in a Pats uniform and I don't think he's a dirty player. However the two out of the three incidents that I've seen are exactly the types of hits the NFL is trying to get rid of, so I'm not surprised that they're taking this action.