DVOA: 2010 Patriots greatest offense, 2007 Patriots greatest team

[Zarozzor]

Greatest Offenses, 1979-2023
1. 2010 New England Patriots - 38.2%
2. 2007 New England Patriots - 37.6%
3. 2018 Kansas City Chiefs - 33.1%
4. 2002 Kansas City Chiefs - 32.9%
5. 1984 Miami Dolphins - 32.2%
6. 2004 Indianapolis Colts - 32.1%
7. 1998 Denver Broncos - 32.1%
8. 2023 San Francisco 49ers - 31.8%
9. 1992 San Francisco 49ers - 31.7%
10. 1993 San Francisco 49ers - 30.8%

Greatest Teams, 1979-2023
1. 2007 New England Patriots - 52.3%
2. 1991 Washington Redskins - 49.5%
3. 1985 Chicago Bears - 45.8%
4. 2010 New England Patriots - 45.7%
5. 2023 Baltimore Ravens - 45.5%
6. 1996 Green Bay Packers - 39.7%
7. 2023 San Francisco 49ers - 39.4%
8. 1995 San Francisco 49ers - 39.0%
9. 2022 Buffalo Bills - 38.6%
10. 2019 Baltimore Ravens - 38.5%

4 things I noticed about the offensive numbers:
1. The top 2 have always been the 2007 and 2010 Patriots with every DVOA version post-2010. This is the first time the 2010 Patriots jumped the 2007 Patriots for #1.

2. The 2010 and 2007 Patriots are in a tier of their own. All of the other offenses are sort of lumped together.

3. The 2004 Colts would be the #3 offense if they hadn't rested their starters in week 17. The 2004 Patriots completely shut them down, holding them to 3 points. Incredible.

4. The 2013 Broncos are the most overrated offense of all-time. Scoring the most points ever doesn't mean much when you had a ton of drives and played an easy defensive schedule. The 2013 Broncos are tied for 7th all-time in points per drive, not even top 10 in adjusted to league average points per drive, and not even top 15 in offensive DVOA.

 

[Pape]

interesting the 2004 Patriots didn't make the greatest teams list... guess it is a statistical anomaly... but I would put that team against just about anyone and expect them to win...

also, i would remove any team pre-1993 from the list though... 1993 is when true free agency hit the NFL, and it was a game changer, with players now controlling the ability to move between franchises... could push it to 1994, when the cap was put into play, but i think finally moving on from Plan B is a good jumping off point...

 

[Zarozzor]

interesting the 2004 Patriots didn't make the greatest teams list... guess it is a statistical anomaly... but I would put that team against just about anyone and expect them to win...

also, i would remove any team pre-1993 from the list though... 1993 is when true free agency hit the NFL, and it was a game changer, with players now controlling the ability to move between franchises... could push it to 1994, when the cap was put into play, but i think finally moving on from Plan B is a good jumping off point...

The 2004 Patriots are at 35.9%. I’m sure if you include the playoffs, that team is probably near the top. I’m not sure where the Eagles rank that season (I think it’s 5th or 6th), but the Patriots killed the Steelers and Colts. Steelers were #2 and the Colts were #3 or #4.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I don't think the 2010 team was very good, but they should've went to the Super Bowl.

How did none of the 90's Cowboys not make the list? Lol.

Now way on the 2002 Chiefs offense.

 

[Kdo5]

I always thought 2010 was very underrated. They went 14-2 in the regular season and their offense was such a machine.

A lot of people seem to think differently but I expected them to be in the Super Bowl at least. The Jets playoff game was a pretty nasty surprise.

 

[Zarozzor]

I don't think the 2010 team was very good, but they should've went to the Super Bowl.

How did none of the 90's Cowboys not make the list? Lol.

Now way on the 2002 Chiefs offense.

DVOA places a big emphasis on how strong your opponents defense is (or offense if you’re judging defenses) and also efficiency. It’s why you don’t see offenses like the 1998 Vikings, 1999 Rams, 2000 Rams, 2001 Rams, or 2013 Broncos. All 5 of those offenses are getting penalized for extremely easy defensive schedules, and the first 4 are getting slight penalties for dome games.

I don’t have the numbers in front of me since DVOA went behind a paywall, but the 2002 Chiefs played a tough defensive schedule and were efficient against those defenses. That’s likely why the 2010 Patriots are #1. I believe they played a top 5 hardest schedule of defenses ever recorded (1979-2023) and destroyed them for the most part. Off the top of my head and before it went behind a paywall, the 2010 Patriots played 9 or 10 top 10 defenses, and didn’t play a defense ranked lower than 25th.

 

[sb1]

The 2007 Pats were the greatest team ever regardless of what happened in the last game.

The 2010 team's defense was ok but they were also in decline bottoming out in 2011. The offense carried that team.

 

[Zarozzor]

The 2007 Pats were the greatest team ever regardless of what happened in the last game.

The 2010 team's defense was ok but they were also in decline bottoming out in 2011. The offense carried that team.

DVOA has this for the 2010 and 2011 Patriots:

2010
Offense - #1
Defense - #24

2011
Offense - #1
Defense - #29

I noticed the 2011 Patriots are now the #1 offense for that season with the newest update. They were #3 for years, slightly behind the Packers and Saints.

 

[sb1]

DVOA has this for the 2010 and 2011 Patriots:

2010
Offense - #1
Defense - #24

2011
Offense - #1
Defense - #29

I noticed the 2011 Patriots are now the #1 offense for that season with the newest update. They were #3 for years, slightly behind the Packers and Saints.

That's not surprising. The offense was due for an off game and sadly it happened at the worst possible time against the worst possible opponent. Defense was just not good enough to pick them up.

 

[TheRainMaker]

DVOA places a big emphasis on how strong your opponents defense is (or offense if you’re judging defenses) and also efficiency. It’s why you don’t see offenses like the 1998 Vikings, 1999 Rams, 2000 Rams, 2001 Rams, or 2013 Broncos. All 5 of those offenses are getting penalized for extremely easy defensive schedules, and the first 4 are getting slight penalties for dome games.

I don’t have the numbers in front of me since DVOA went behind a paywall, but the 2002 Chiefs played a tough defensive schedule and were efficient against those defenses. That’s likely why the 2010 Patriots are #1. I believe they played a top 5 hardest schedule of defenses ever recorded (1979-2023) and destroyed them for the most part. Off the top of my head and before it went behind a paywall, the 2010 Patriots played 9 or 10 top 10 defenses, and didn’t play a defense ranked lower than 25th.

DVOA is nonsense and just a fancy thing for people to pay for. It’s a waste of money. The 1998 Vikings and Rams had some of the best offenses in history.

I understand the Chiefs defense was bad, but you don’t go 8-8 if your offense was that good.

2010 Pats had a major weakness that was exploited when the playoffs came around - the boundaries and the running game. Rex Ryan has stated that team was the easiest he game planned for in a playoff game knowing they couldn’t beat Revis or Cromartie on the outside. They took away the middle and forced Tom to go to the outside which didn’t happen. BJGE was a pedestrian RB and the defense was awful. With that being said, the Pats had no business losing to that Jets team led by Mark Sanchez.

 

[Sect140]

I must be old school, if a certain teams season is being considered as the one of the greatest, well in my book that team has to have won the Super Bowl.

I will take the 2004 team over any other Patriots team.