Drew Bledsoe: "Give Cam Newton a Full Year"

[Joker]

Yes great counter example. Plug and play QBs 3 times.

using your "assertion" then, S.F.'s run was "plug and play"...Walsh plugged in Montana and then Seifert plugged in Young. Insinuating that Joe Theissman was "plug and play" is so ludicrous it doesn't even warrant a reply.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I knew you'd deflect and make excuses...jeezus krist, RIGGINS and the Hogs were the centerpiece of that Redskin team and they rode him to Super Bowl wins. Obviously you haven't really watched much NFL football

I wish the NFL weren’t so QB-centric. Variety is great; teams built behind running games were fun to watch, especially going against a team with a different style. Defense winning games - even many playoff games - made the sport so much better.

Teams are now just trying to copy the same blueprint because it works; great QB, above average OL, two stud wideouts, and with the remaining change a bend/don’t break defense that should hold the opponent below 24 points but is nothing special.

NBA and the 3-point brigade has the same issues...lacking unique characteristics.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Theismann,Williams then Rypien....Williams stats in that Super Bowl DESTROY anything ever done by the Seahawks QB...but, being never wrong, he just has to go full "outlier!!!!!" and make a jackazz out of himself...again

I think Rypien is the quintessential example of what a “system quarterback“ actually is. Guys like B. Johnson and Dilfer weren’t system guys; they just weren’t very good and didn’t need to be good. Rypien was truly a system guy who played way above himself…that 1991 season was incredible. But he’s a guy who probably fails or is average most places. I think that is rare but does exist, this being a good example.

Theismann, I think was headed to the Hall before that injury and still think he’ll get in one day.

 

[Huckleberry1]

That's fair. Look at the comments though. A bunch of minds made up and even if the Pats start winning with Cam starting, looks like there's going to be segment crying about it no matter what. I'll tell you what, if the team isn't winning then it makes it a really easy non-controversial decision for a change.

Minds are made up because Newton looked e

 

[captain stone]

Having a bad OL isn’t relevant to the question of whether playing as a rookie is troublesome.

It is, if the OL protecting your rookie QB is bad...

 

[Lagaffe_07]

I can’t see a reason not to. Better chance to win. Faster learning curve.
I don’t understand the argument of let him sit so he doesn’t feel pressure. If he’s a ****y who can’t handle pressure he’s the wrong guy and we better figure it out fast.
The point is to win Sbs. If your QB of the future is afraid to play week 1 you better knock that out of him.

I completely agree with you but Cam has all the first team reps in practice. And I found that disheartening. What has he done to earn those. Nothing.

that’s tells me that Bill is still targeting Cam as the starter despite the fact that Mac looks better than Cam 75% of the time in practice. Mac should be getting those reps. you can clearly see there isn’t a fair competition in camp and everything is tilt toward Cam.

Call me a pessimist but unfortunately I think we are in for the same charade as last year. Bill making excuses every week for Cam and refusing to bench him.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

I completely agree with you but Cam has all the first team reps in practice. And I found that disheartening. What has he done to earn those. Nothing.

that’s tells me that Bill is still targeting Cam as the starter despite the fact that Mac looks better than Cam 75% of the time in practice. Mac should be getting those reps. you can clearly see there isn’t a fair competition in camp and everything is tilt toward Cam.

Call me a pessimist but unfortunately I think we are in for the same charade as last year. Bill making excuses every week for Cam and refusing to bench him.

Do you believe Bill will choose the QB who is best for the team and for winning ? If anything, the most definitive conclusion from last year was Jarett Stidham is not good .

 

[Triumph]

If thats true, we made a horrible mistake at QB drafting. Cam has looked awful and did again today. I mean I am not sure how long we can use the covid excuse.

Tell me about all the recent Alabama QBs who have succeeded in the NFL.

There are none. The only way they got inside a Super Bowl stadium is with a ticket.

Recently, Sabans team had 3 QBs in the Heisman conversation at the same time because you could plug any of them in and win with a team thats loaded top to bottom. People think that National Championships automatically equate to Super Bowls.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

using your "assertion" then, S.F.'s run was "plug and play"...Walsh plugged in Montana and then Seifert plugged in Young. Insinuating that Joe Theissman was "plug and play" is so ludicrous it doesn't even warrant a reply.

You're bringing up a hypothetical where it's not possible to prove either way. But yes, when Bill Walsh created the west coast offense and was looking for an accurate guy who can throw a ton of 5 and 10 yard passes, to answer your question yes I do think he would have found someone to make his innovative offense work, and still would have won a ring if his QB wasn't specifically Joe Montana. It clearly worked out fabulously with Joe Cool.

And Theisman is plug and play in the sense that Joe Gibbs won 2 other times with 2 other QBs, 3 different rings with 3 different QBs. So clearly Gibbs was a team architect who was able to construct Superbowl winners with multiple different QBs (I'm not saying those QBs were bad, you're arguing with somebody else there).

 

[captain stone]

Do you believe Bill will choose the QB who is best for the team and for winning ? If anything, the most definitive conclusion from last year was Jarett Stidham is not good .

A conclusion at which we All could've arrived had Bill simply given Stid the start on Week 17 and we All could've seen for ourselves... But Papa Bear & Shula beckon, so...

 

[Huckleberry1]

Tell me about all the recent Alabama QBs who have succeeded in the NFL.

There are none. The only way they got inside a Super Bowl stadium is with a ticket.

Recently, Sabans team had 3 QBs in the Heisman conversation at the same time because you could plug any of them in and win with a team thats loaded top to bottom. People think that National Championships automatically equate to Super Bowls.

Tell us about the great Michigan QB’s that preceded Brady?

 

[PatsFanInVa]

F*** that, Cam, get out there and sling it

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Don't tread on Cam

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

You're bringing up a hypothetical where it's not possible to prove either way. But yes, when Bill Walsh created the west coast offense and was looking for an accurate guy who can throw a ton of 5 and 10 yard passes, to answer your question yes I do think he would have found someone to make his innovative offense work, and still would have won a ring if his QB wasn't specifically Joe Montana. It clearly worked out fabulously with Joe Cool.

And Theisman is plug and play in the sense that Joe Gibbs won 2 other times with 2 other QBs, 3 different rings with 3 different QBs. So clearly Gibbs was a team architect who was able to construct Superbowl winners with multiple different QBs (I'm not saying those QBs were bad, you're arguing with somebody else there).

The west coast offense was never that innovative. The Bengals also ran it (Walsh came from Cincy) and Ken Anderson ran it well, too, leading to that SB clash in 1981. The idea of using short passes to RBs and a quick passing attack was common NFL strategy for years.

Heck, between the QB and five linemen, there are only five offensive skill players for different combinations…and it’s always been a copycat league.

The main reason the west coast offense became legendary?

• It happened to be the popularized immediately after the NFL made major rule changes in 1979, which limited a defensive back’s physicality. Hence, passing ststs went way up for every team, leading to all those revolutionary passers like Marino, Kelly, Moon, etc. who broke all the records.
• Joe Montana, and then Jerry Rice, two of ten best players of all-time, by consensus, were the key players representing the WCO on a national level, even though many teams tried and failed to replicate it, depending on their players. Most QBs can easily throw accurate 5-10 yard passes.
• The 49ers defense was tremendously underrated by the media and was arguably as good as their offense from 1981-89.
• Walsh (and Seifert in 89) won four rings, not one. Maybe someone else dould have won one. Who knows.

One of the ironies is Paul Brown was the GM/owmer of the Bengals. Years earlier, he was “the architect” of the supposed greatest offensive system ever created. And yet, without Otto Graham, none of it worked, leading him to eventually become frustrated, clash with Art Modell, and found the Bengals. Years earlier when Brown joined the NFL in 1950, all the rage was that the T-formation was due to the genius of George Halas, but after Sid Luckman dominated the league, Halas could never get it to work again. It’s always the same story.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

The west coast offense was never that innovative. The Bengals also ran it (Walsh came from Cincy) and Ken Anderson ran it well, too, leading to that SB clash in 1981. The idea of using short passes to RBs and a quick passing attack was common NFL strategy for years.

Heck, between the QB and five linemen, there are only five offensive skill players for different combinations…and it’s always been a copycat league.

The main reason the west coast offense became legendary?

• It happened to be the popularized immediately after the NFL made major rule changes in 1979, which limited a defensive back’s physicality. Hence, passing ststs went way up for every team, leading to all those revolutionary passers like Marino, Kelly, Moon, etc. who broke all the records.
• Joe Montana, and then Jerry Rice, two of ten best players of all-time, by consensus, were the key players representing the WCO on a national level, even though many teams tried and failed to replicate it, depending on their players. Most QBs can easily throw accurate 5-10 yard passes.
• The 49ers defense was tremendously underrated by the media and was arguably as good as their offense from 1981-89.
• Walsh (and Seifert in 89) won four rings, not one. Maybe someone else dould have won one. Who knows.

One of the ironies is Paul Brown was the GM/owmer of the Bengals. Years earlier, he was “the architect” of the supposed greatest offensive system ever created. And yet, without Otto Graham, none of it worked, leading him to eventually become frustrated, clash with Art Modell, and found the Bengals. Years earlier when Brown joined the NFL in 1950, all the rage was that the T-formation was due to the genius of George Halas, but after Sid Luckman dominated the league, Halas could never get it to work again. It’s always the same story.

You did all that for 5 yards ... "Al Davis"

Innovation and the Low-T WCO? Idk DKF Idk ...

 

[DropKickFlutie]

The west coast offense was never that innovative. The Bengals also ran it (Walsh came from Cincy) and Ken Anderson ran it well, too, leading to that SB clash in 1981. The idea of using short passes to RBs and a quick passing attack was common NFL strategy for years.

Heck, between the QB and five linemen, there are only five offensive skill players for different combinations…and it’s always been a copycat league.

The main reason the west coast offense became legendary?

• It happened to be the popularized immediately after the NFL made major rule changes in 1979, which limited a defensive back’s physicality. Hence, passing ststs went way up for every team, leading to all those revolutionary passers like Marino, Kelly, Moon, etc. who broke all the records.
• Joe Montana, and then Jerry Rice, two of ten best players of all-time, by consensus, were the key players representing the WCO on a national level, even though many teams tried and failed to replicate it, depending on their players. Most QBs can easily throw accurate 5-10 yard passes.
• The 49ers defense was tremendously underrated by the media and was arguably as good as their offense from 1981-89.
• Walsh (and Seifert in 89) won four rings, not one. Maybe someone else dould have won one. Who knows.

One of the ironies is Paul Brown was the GM/owmer of the Bengals. Years earlier, he was “the architect” of the supposed greatest offensive system ever created. And yet, without Otto Graham, none of it worked, leading him to eventually become frustrated, clash with Art Modell, and found the Bengals. Years earlier when Brown joined the NFL in 1950, all the rage was that the T-formation was due to the genius of George Halas, but after Sid Luckman dominated the league, Halas could never get it to work again. It’s always the same story.

I think you know your stuff, but you acknowledged Bill Walsh found Jerry Rice, Steve Young, Joe Montana, Ronnie Lott, etc. So how is it just about 1 guy (Montana) when it looks like a team builder in Walsh who knows what he's doing ?
Similarly Malcolm Butler, Edelman, JC Jackson, Jacobi Meyers and a ton others including dare-say Brady, this wasn't blind luck but a guy who knows how to find certain players. I don't think those guys have a NFL career without Belichick, what other coach or GM would find or develop Butler / Edelman / Jackson / Meyers

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Walsh wanted Simms until the scouting director who had Montana QB1 told Walsh, Wyche about Joe.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I think you know your stuff, but you acknowledged Bill Walsh found Jerry Rice, Steve Young, Joe Montana, Ronnie Lott, etc. So how is it just about 1 guy (Montana) when it looks like a team builder in Walsh who knows what he's doing ?
Similarly Malcolm Butler, Edelman, JC Jackson, Jacobi Meyers and a ton others including dare-say Brady, this wasn't blind luck but a guy who knows how to find certain players. I don't think those guys have a NFL career without Belichick, what other coach or GM would find or develop Butler / Edelman / Jackson / Meyers

It isn’t about one guy. It’s about the players though. Coaches/GMs find those players, but they’re usually once in a lifetime hits. They can’t just develop them.

I was commenting more about the WCO offense than overall credit for the dynasty.

 

[Triumph]

Tell us about the great Michigan QB’s that preceded Brady?

Igor you miss the entire point as always.

Even after I explained why Bama QBs are overrated.

 

[PScottman]

It looks like there's a discussion brewing on Alabama vs Ohio State QBs in the NFL. For your argument's pleasure, please find below some listings of said QBs:

Ohio State QBs in the NFL (notable - leaves out many others)​

YEAR	NAME	ROUND	RECORD	CAREER STATISTICS
1982	Art Schlichter	1	0-6	1,006 yards, 3 TDs, 11 INTs
1985	Mike Tomczak*	FA	42-31	16,079 yards, 88 TDs, 106 INTs
1988	Tom Tupa	3	4-9	3,430 yards, 12 TDs, 25 INTs
1992	Kent Graham	8	17-21	7,801 yards, 39 TDs, 33 INTs
1996	Bobby Hoying	3	3-9-1	2,544 yards, 11 TDs, 15 INTs
1999	Joe Germaine	4	0-0	136 yards, 1 TD, 2 INTs
2004	Craig Krenzel	5	3-2	718 yards, 3 TDs, 6 INTs
2007	Troy Smith	5	4-4	1,734 yards, 8 TDs, 5 INTs
2011	Terrelle Pryor**	3	3-7	1,994 yards, 9 TDs, 12 INTs
2016	Cardale Jones	4	0-0	96 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT
2019	Dwayne Haskins	1	3-10	2,804 yards, 12 TDs, 14 INTs

*Denotes undrafted free agent
**Denotes supplemental draft pick

Alabama QBs in the NFL (didn't find as detailed a site for this list)
Harry Gilmer 1948
Bart Starr 1956
Joe Namath 1965
Steve Sloan 1966
Ken Stabler 1968
Scott Hunter 1971
Richard Todd 1976
Jeff Rutledge 1979
Mike Shula 1987
Jay Barker 1995
Brodie Croyle 2006
Greg McElroy 2011
AJ McCarron 2014
Tua Tagovailoa 2020
Jalen Hurts 2020
Mac Jones 2021