Drew Bledsoe: "Give Cam Newton a Full Year"

[1960Pats]

This is a good post. But it's never 1 player, for example the reason that Larry Bird and Bill Russell ended up on the Celtics were because Red Auerbach was the team builder behind it all. Jerry West is the same way, built the Shaq/Kobe Lakers then the Warriors.

Similarly, the Bills and Colts were constructed by Bill Polian. Bill Parcells built contending teams about 4 different times. Bill Walsh built the 49ers and found Rice and Montana. The Saints combined an offensive genius in Sean Payton with a veteran DC in Gregg Williams. The Seahawks, Carroll and his GM definitely had a plan which is how they built the legion of doom so quickly.

The freak exception to all this I would say is Brady in Tampa. I don't think the GM or HC are good, sure the offense was loaded but didn't do much the year prior. So Brady is the exception that breaks the rule, no surprise there. On the other hand Licht hit 2 home runs at RT and FS so maybe Licht is an unheralded great GM...

Red and Bill are very similar. I feel blessed to have had them as HCs and GMs of the teams I rooted for.

Yes, they made great moves, but I'd probably put Red ahead of Bill when it comes to the moves they made. They are both GOATers.

The key though is that no matter how great a HC or GM is, it's those players that they build with that win or lose.

Brady is the best example alive today of the axiom that coaches don't win games, players do.

 

[Pats2000]

You said he brings bigger game experience. Hmmm
In his biggest game we know he experienced an unwillingness to try to recover a fumble.
In his 10 year career he pkayed in 7 playoff games and lost 4 of them. He has led a team to playoff win(s) in 2 of 10 seasons and that was 6 and 7 years ago.
His biggest game last year resulted in him fumbling it away in the red zone down 3 on the final drive against the team we were competing for the division with.
I just don’t understand the idea that he gets all this credit for participation when he just isn’t good.

The fact is that he got the teams to those games. I'm not saying it means that much, but it's more success than the rookie has to date.

Is Mac going to be a better QB than Cam, yes, will he have a better career? I 100% believe that.

 

[1960Pats]

I completely agree with you but Cam has all the first team reps in practice. And I found that disheartening. What has he done to earn those. Nothing.

that’s tells me that Bill is still targeting Cam as the starter despite the fact that Mac looks better than Cam 75% of the time in practice. Mac should be getting those reps. you can clearly see there isn’t a fair competition in camp and everything is tilt toward Cam.

Call me a pessimist but unfortunately I think we are in for the same charade as last year. Bill making excuses every week for Cam and refusing to bench him.

You're making me cry.

 

[1960Pats]

If Cam starts 17 games that means we do not have any chance of making the playoffs. If we are out of it by week 13/14 and Bill doesn't get Mac some starts it is time to put Bill out to pasture.

Is Steve ready yet? He's been hanging around coaches for a few years now so he should be ready to go.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Might have been the injured Oline and trash receivers.

The offense was terrible after cutting AB. Team was 8-0 then after cutting AB the team nose dived the rest of the year. The offense from Halloween until the playoff loss only averaged 17 points per game, one of the worst in the league even with the goat QB. This is why I give Cam a half-pass last year because it was the same crap talent trotted out by the OC that even the goat couldn't do much with the year prior.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Enough already. Fans of this team are pulling for the Patriots to win, no matter the QB. If we're stuck with Cam even I'll be pulling for him.

The fans' choice for QB is a different matter and it seems like much more than half of them are rooting for Mac Jones.

I hope so. Let's see when the regular season starts. Half the fanbase screaming for Mac even after Belichick made his decision, well I would call that a toxic situation by the media and fanbase...

 

[1960Pats]

You said he brings bigger game experience. Hmmm
In his biggest game we know he experienced an unwillingness to try to recover a fumble.
In his 10 year career he pkayed in 7 playoff games and lost 4 of them. He has led a team to playoff win(s) in 2 of 10 seasons and that was 6 and 7 years ago.
His biggest game last year resulted in him fumbling it away in the red zone down 3 on the final drive against the team we were competing for the division with.
I just don’t understand the idea that he gets all this credit for participation when he just isn’t good.

Cam looked terrible last year and it was one of his better seasons.
I sometimes wonder if the Cam plan is Bill's Brady recovery plan.

 

[1960Pats]

I hope so. Let's see when the regular season starts. Half the fanbase screaming for Mac even after Belichick made his decision, well I would call that a toxic situation by the media and fanbase...

You really think the media has that kind of control over the fans? I don't. I think they're like me and know that the future is with Mac, not Cam. That's why they cheered.

 

[The Brandon Five]

It HAS been a year, so...

 

[203Pat]

Is Steve ready yet? He's been hanging around coaches for a few years now so he should be ready to go.

As long as Cam doesn't having any incriminating evidence against him as well.

 

[Ring 6]

Honestly dude, it's not that big of a deal but please keep on railing on a minor discussion to begin with.

Then why keep responding?

 

[Ring 6]

The fact is that he got the teams to those games. I'm not saying it means that much, but it's more success than the rookie has to date.

Is Mac going to be a better QB than Cam, yes, will he have a better career? I 100% believe that.

But by no means has Newton been a success for his career. Take out 1 season and in the 9 others he has a losing record, 2 winning seasons out of 9 and 1 playoff win in 9 seasons.
That is demonstrable failure.
An unknown is better than a known failure.

By the way, the 3 times he had a winning record his defenses were ranked 2/2 6/6 and 7/11 in yards and points allowed.

I think tell telling part is how rarely he got his teams to those games not that he wasn’t entirely totally incapable of it.

Would you are better with an unproven QB that you think has what it takes or a guy with 3 winning seasons and 7 losing seasons?

 

[Ring 6]

Cam looked terrible last year and it was one of his better seasons.
I sometimes wonder if the Cam plan is Bill's Brady recovery plan.

No. He was literally the only option last year. He was brought back this year as a continuity link to the rookie, and hopefully that period is already over.
Belichick didn’t pay him back up money and announce he was still liking for a starter because he is part of the plan.

 

[Ring 6]

I hope so. Let's see when the regular season starts. Half the fanbase screaming for Mac even after Belichick made his decision, well I would call that a toxic situation by the media and fanbase...

It will be 99% of the fan base if the decision ends up being newton starting. Because, he sucks. Fans want to win.
I would hope it becomes toxic if Newton starts because he shouldn’t.

 

[Ring 6]

Enough already. Fans of this team are pulling for the Patriots to win, no matter the QB. If we're stuck with Cam even I'll be pulling for him.

The fans' choice for QB is a different matter and it seems like much more than half of them are rooting for Mac Jones.

It’s 99%. No one will root against newton if he is on the field but everyone will know it’s the wrong decision

 

[amfootball]

But by no means has Newton been a success for his career. Take out 1 season and in the 9 others he has a losing record, 2 winning seasons out of 9 and 1 playoff win in 9 seasons.
That is demonstrable failure.
An unknown is better than a known failure.

By the way, the 3 times he had a winning record his defenses were ranked 2/2 6/6 and 7/11 in yards and points allowed.

I think tell telling part is how rarely he got his teams to those games not that he wasn’t entirely totally incapable of it.

Would you are better with an unproven QB that you think has what it takes or a guy with 3 winning seasons and 7 losing seasons?

Newton is a loser. I feel about him the same way I felt about Stafford too. I am so glad the Pats didn't trade for him.

 

[Pats2000]

But by no means has Newton been a success for his career. Take out 1 season and in the 9 others he has a losing record, 2 winning seasons out of 9 and 1 playoff win in 9 seasons.
That is demonstrable failure.
An unknown is better than a known failure.

By the way, the 3 times he had a winning record his defenses were ranked 2/2 6/6 and 7/11 in yards and points allowed.

I think tell telling part is how rarely he got his teams to those games not that he wasn’t entirely totally incapable of it.

Would you are better with an unproven QB that you think has what it takes or a guy with 3 winning seasons and 7 losing seasons?

He's not a huge success, but think about all the guys that never even sniffed a superbowl. He's still top 30% of QB's of all time.

I'm not arguing he should start. I want Mac, I'm saying there's experience there that BB obviously values.

 

[Ring 6]

He's not a huge success, but think about all the guys that never even sniffed a superbowl. He's still top 30% of QB's of all time.

I'm not arguing he should start. I want Mac, I'm saying there's experience there that BB obviously values.

I don’t think one season puts him in the top 1/3 of QBs. Take that one season away and no one could argue he isn’t below average with a straight face.

My point is experience at being good is valuable. Experience at being bad is a detriment.

 

[Biffins]

"Drew Bledsoe... said that he'd like to see Newton play a full year in New England's offense after a challenging 2020 campaign for both the player and the team.

"I think they've got to let Cam go a little bit. And I would really like to see Cam get a full year," Bledsoe said. "Last year, the cupboard was kind of empty up there, and I think everybody recognizes that now. There wasn't a lot in terms of weapons for him. They went out and got some weapons, and I think it'd be great to see Cam get back out there and show why he was an NFL MVP."

Bledsoe offers interesting take on Patriots' QB competition

Drew Bledsoe offers his take on whether Cam Newton or Mac Jones should be the Patriots’ starting quarterback during the 2021 NFL season.

www.nbcsports.com

What was last year then?

 

[Biffins]

He's not a huge success, but think about all the guys that never even sniffed a superbowl. He's still top 30% of QB's of all time.

I'm not arguing he should start. I want Mac, I'm saying there's experience there that BB obviously values.

Do you think Cam is better than Philip Rivers who never went to the Superbowl?