Dotson to eagles. Wake up Wolfe

[Zuma]

58 career catch percentage is not good.

 

[Hyped]

Wait, do you think that conglomeration of maybes at 2 compares favorably to any other NFL teams? Who would take our guy over theirs?
I don’t see how we are competitive at 4,5,6. What teams have weaker 4,5,6?
It’s like you can name them so that makes them depth.

So we have the worst#1. We have probably the worst 2 ( who is actually 1 because who knows if Bourne will even play anytime soon) we gave a second year 3 who you have hope for and beyond that no one who has really done much.

Can you name which team you think we compare favorably to?

Let's do a side-by-side comparison vs. the Eagles (they are a top 10 WR room
for sure):

A.J. Brown > Kendrick Bourne
Devonta Smith > Tyquan Thornton
Jahan Dotson < Pop Douglas
Paris Campbell/John Ross/Johnny Wilson < Jaylnn Polk/KJ Osborn/Javon Baker

Now slide down all Pats WR's except for Pop....we would be weaker at WR2 still...but not many teams have the luxury of a Devonta Smith at WR2.

But if we added a FA WR like say.....Lamb/Higgins/Aiyuk/Cooper/Godwin.... plus drafted one in the first 3 rounds in 2025....we would be up to par and deeper than most NFL teams just like that...

IOW, we have WR depth...just not top level game breaking WRs yet....

 

[Triumph]

Ever hear of Project 2027?

You will.

 

[Ring 6]

Let's do a side-by-side comparison vs. the Eagles (they are a top 10 WR room
for sure):

A.J. Brown > Kendrick Bourne
Devonta Smith > Tyquan Thornton
Jahan Dotson < Pop Douglas
Paris Campbell/John Ross/Johnny Wilson < Jaylnn Polk/KJ Osborn/Javon Baker

Now slide down all Pats WR's except for Pop....we would be weaker at WR2 still...but not many teams have the luxury of a Devonta Smith at WR2.

But if we added a FA WR like say.....Lamb/Higgins/Aiyuk/Cooper/Godwin.... plus drafted one in the first 3 rounds in 2025....we would be up to par and deeper than most NFL teams just like that...

IOW, we have WR depth...just not top level game breaking WRs yet....

Seriously?
You think our WR room is close to the Eagles?

If baker and Polk can’t rise about 4 of 5 then they aren’t any better than anyone. They wouldn’t be depth. Bourne and Thornton as 4 and 5 wouldn’t excite anyone.

You really tried to compare Bourne and Thornton to Brown and Smith. Wow.

I agree with one thing. If we had different players, we would be better.

 

[patman52]

Sleepy Elliott dozes while other teams try to get better

Eagles are stacked at every position and they still try to get better

Howie loves big name players
Meanwhile Sleepy Elliot signs Kobie Jones and Matt Landers

You wanted him to trade a 3rd for Dotson? He got Osbone for free, dont understand this take at all.

 

[archstanton543]

You wanted him to trade a 3rd for Dotson? He got Osbone for free, dont understand this take at all.

He's looking for an excuse to be miserable.

 

[maust]

He's looking for an excuse to be miserable.

I don't think you understand sir. Poor Sam Bam and the rest of the Whine sisters don't need an excuse, they have a reason. It's been 5 years since they've been able to lord a Super Bowl Championship over the rest of creation. FIVE YEARS SIR! They are indeed miserable, in fact their pain is intolerable. To the point where it must be shared, we all need to be as miserable as they are until redress is given! Nothing short of a February parade is acceptable!

 

[Hyped]

Seriously?
You think our WR room is close to the Eagles?

If baker and Polk can’t rise about 4 of 5 then they aren’t any better than anyone. They wouldn’t be depth. Bourne and Thornton as 4 and 5 wouldn’t excite anyone.

You really tried to compare Bourne and Thornton to Brown and Smith. Wow.

I agree with one thing. If we had different players, we would be better.

Yeah? We are one FA WR1 and 1 day 2 WR draft pick away from being as good or better than the Eagles' WR room.

And I like our #3/#4/#5 guys far better. There is a reason why John Ross is in Eagles' camp and why they traded for Dotson. One A.J. tweaked ankle...coverages roll over to Smith's side....

 

[dliverey44]

Sleepy Elliott dozes while other teams try to get better

Eagles are stacked at every position and they still try to get better

Howie loves big name players
Meanwhile Sleepy Elliot signs Kobie Jones and Matt Landers

So much pent up frustration in you. You might want to look into edibles, not as harsh on the lungs.

 

[dliverey44]

No. I’m not concerned with this move I’m concerned with the thinking that our roster is so good we weee smart to stand pat and save $50,000,000

This is an old and tired narrative, but I will play. Who were they supposed to spend the money on? Is this the point you tell me they could have improved the LT position and you name Smith or Jonah Williams? Smith wasn't coming here because he wanted to play with AROD and hopefully win. Jonah Williams is such a good LT that the Bengals moved him to RT and the cards are keeping him there.

I am being serious everyone is like we should have spent more but on who?

 

[Ring 6]

This is an old and tired narrative, but I will play. Who were they supposed to spend the money on? Is this the point you tell me they could have improved the LT position and you name Smith or Jonah Williams? Smith wasn't coming here because he wanted to play with AROD and hopefully win. Jonah Williams is such a good LT that the Bengals moved him to RT and the cards are keeping him there.

I am being serious everyone is like we should have spent more but on who?

We could have improved up and down the entire roster.
Are you telling me we are so stacked and loaded with talent that there aren’t players who could make our 4 win team?

Literally NFL teams squeeze out every penny of the cap to get the best roster they can, but we had 50,000,000 and there was no one good enough for us. Remarkable what people convince themselves of.

 

[dliverey44]

We could have improved up and down the entire roster.
Are you telling me we are so stacked and loaded with talent that there aren’t players who could make our 4 win team?

Literally NFL teams squeeze out every penny of the cap to get the best roster they can, but we had 50,000,000 and there was no one good enough for us. Remarkable what people convince themselves of.

Thank you for providing names of players we were probably going to over pay for. We were a 4 win team last year, mainly due to our QB,OL and WR. Positions addressed in draft were QB, OL and WR. So we are in a rebuild and they are trying to build a foundation of core players, which is done through the draft mainly and FA is to supplement. You will quickly run out of money if you try and buy your foundation and since we did not really have a foundation there was nothing to supplement.

I assume that early on when Wolf said they wanted the younger folks to play it is to determine what they have going forward. bringing in high priced players would have negatively affected the development of younger guys in those positions. I would have loved for them to sign Wilkins, Murphy-Bunting, Greenard, Noah Fant as well as others. I will agree that we have different styles of team building.

I like the fact that they signed several of our own FAs and gave out extensions. Because they were a 4 win team does not mean that they did not have good players. We did not have many players under contract for 2025 and 2026 so, that is also a factor, I imagine that impacted their FA journey.

 

[Ring 6]

Thank you for providing names of players we were probably going to over pay for. We were a 4 win team last year, mainly due to our QB,OL and WR. Positions addressed in draft were QB, OL and WR. So we are in a rebuild and they are trying to build a foundation of core players, which is done through the draft mainly and FA is to supplement. You will quickly run out of money if you try and buy your foundation and since we did not really have a foundation there was nothing to supplement.

I assume that early on when Wolf said they wanted the younger folks to play it is to determine what they have going forward. bringing in high priced players would have negatively affected the development of younger guys in those positions. I would have loved for them to sign Wilkins, Murphy-Bunting, Greenard, Noah Fant as well as others. I will agree that we have different styles of team building.

I like the fact that they signed several of our own FAs and gave out extensions. Because they were a 4 win team does not mean that they did not have good players. We did not have many players under contract for 2025 and 2026 so, that is also a factor, I imagine that impacted their FA journey.

I’ve have provided names many times. How do you quickly run out of money when you don’t seriously pursue improving your team?

So your argument is the best way to build a team is not acquire good player but throw your 4 win team out there so you get to see if they are any good?

You are good with putting 75%of a team out there because trying to improve is a bad idea?

 

[Patsgofor4]

Not saying that I would have wanted them to give up a 3 next year but some here are underestimating Dotson. He had a promising rookie year (7TDs in only 12 games, 14 ypc) then had an awful QB situation last year. Potentially a high upside pickup for Philly.

 

[dliverey44]

I’ve have provided names many times. How do you quickly run out of money when you don’t seriously pursue improving your team?

So your argument is the best way to build a team is not acquire good player but throw your 4 win team out there so you get to see if they are any good?

You are good with putting 75%of a team out there because trying to improve is a bad idea?

I haven't seen any of the names and I am not going to go look, I will just believe you made good choices. We do know they pursued a couple of bigger WR's beyond that I am not sure where you would want them to go. The defense was pretty good last year and aside from Wilkins and maybe Murphy Bunting or Carlton Davis to pair with Gonzo, but it seems they want to see what they have with some of the younger guys and Jon Jones is returning.

Anyway Have a good night

 

[Ring 6]

I haven't seen any of the names and I am not going to go look, I will just believe you made good choices. We do know they pursued a couple of bigger WR's beyond that I am not sure where you would want them to go. The defense was pretty good last year and aside from Wilkins and maybe Murphy Bunting or Carlton Davis to pair with Gonzo, but it seems they want to see what they have with some of the younger guys and Jon Jones is returning.

Anyway Have a good night

The entire roster needs upgrading. I’m not talking about a player or 2 I’m talking about maximizing the talent on the resort by using the resources we just chose not to.
We stunk last year and I don’t see any part of the team thar was clearly upgraded. They had 50 million. We shouldn’t have a terrible OL, weak DL, no pass rush, mediocre LBs without depth, corner issues, no 3rd S in a scheme that emphasizes 3 safety sets, no RB depth and nothing but ? at WR. We are essentially weak everywhere and people want to tell me there was no one in free agency who could help.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

No, no, no you do not want to trade away draft picks. Remember that a Patriots third rounder will be, like, the first or second pick in the third round. I hope not, but I think that will be the case.

Also remember that the Patriots are finding it almost impossible to sign quality free agents since no player wants to come to a basement dweller team that may turn into a dumper fire as the season progresses. The only way to get an elite player to come to the Patriots to draft him and so far, well it is not looking that good....we will see if a player like Poke is as good as AD Mitchell.

 

[PScottman]

Sure, keep just rotating more players through...let's just change over the roster every 4-5 weeks because some other team has players with "yards and stuff" on his resume. The concepts of team play only gained through familiarity and repetition are not real. The concept of development born from understanding a system over multiple years - doesn't exist. "Other" is never guarantee of "better" in any circumstance. It just shows base envy of action regardless if said action has any contextual meaning or impact.

 

[BTTA]

Seriously?
You think our WR room is close to the Eagles?

He didn't say that at all. He said quite the opposite. Read it slowly, and think about it a wee bit.
And "compare" isn't the same as "equate." A legitimate comparison can be made between a Honda Civic and a Lambo, for example.

 

[TommyD4207]

Sleepy Elliott dozes while other teams try to get better

Eagles are stacked at every position and they still try to get better

Howie loves big name players
Meanwhile Sleepy Elliot signs Kobie Jones and Matt Landers

Well we made a better offer, but at the last second his girlfriend didn't want to come here.

Am I doing it right?