DookFish camp observations

Discussion in 'Patriots 2008 Training Camp Reports and Photos' started by DookFish, Jul 29, 2008.

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  1. PonyExpress

    PonyExpress In the Starting Line-Up

    Thanks again, Duke. Look forward to your next dispatch from the front!
  2. Box_O_Rocks

    Box_O_Rocks Supporter Supporter

    I hope Dookster don't wind-up sashimi in them fureign climes! One finned typists of his caliber are rare.
  3. Mike the Brit

    Mike the Brit Minuteman Target Supporter

    Yes, Dook. Have a safe trip, keep the school away from sharks and killer whales. We look forward to hearing from you on your return!
  4. psychoPat

    psychoPat Role Player Supporter

    Re: Return of the DookFish-Mayo, Slater, Wheatley and Wilhite-Raw Speed on D and ST

    Respectfully submitted alternative format:

  5. BelichickFan

    BelichickFan TB12 = G.O.A.T. Supporter

    Re: Return of the DookFish-Mayo, Slater, Wheatley and Wilhite-Raw Speed on D and ST


    I had to call my optometrist to get my LASIK re-done after reading the original last night ;)

    One thing I appreciate about Dook is he'll criticize as well as compliment which makes his compliments more real. Let's just say he's got me REAL excited about this draft class. If Mayo and Slater, alone, live up to what he's saying it would be a solid draft. Add the corners and . . . :D
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  6. Metaphors

    Metaphors In the Starting Line-Up

    Once again, great observations with lots of interesting detail.
    Once again, snap judgements detract from all that good information.

    We get don't like CJack and aren't particularly fond of Maroney. First CJack will fail in the NFL because he can't get separation and now his abilities will not work on punts. I can understand you saying that didn't see separation during camp and he wasn't hitting the holes on punt returns...but to render final judgements (despite evidence to the contrary in actual 2006 games) brings the reliability of your observations on CJack in question. Are you a hater? Or does CJack's performance in camp just happen to hit one of your hot buttons? Less so for Maroney but there is something there as well.

    Putting Crable and Redd into a restricted/dedictated pass rush role before they have even played a single game (even pre-season) is a bit much. Crable played in an entirely different scheme at Michigan so of course it will take him some time to learn his run responsibilities and execute them effectively. Redd is a small school project and couldn't possibly make the jump from Liberty to 3-down Pats OLB with a handful of practices. BTW, you also lumped Colvin into that category but before his latest injury he was really coming into his own in coverage and run support.

    Again, love the observations and have no doubt they accurately reflect action on the field. The judgements do make me question where observation stops and opinion starts.
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  7. PatsWickedPissah

    PatsWickedPissah Supporter Supporter

    Re: Return of the DookFish-Mayo, Slater, Wheatley and Wilhite-Raw Speed on D and ST

    OMG! :eek:
    The Dookfish is a commie SPY!!! :cool:
  8. signbabybrady

    signbabybrady Pro Bowl Player

    Re: Return of the DookFish-Mayo, Slater, Wheatley and Wilhite-Raw Speed on D and ST

    I noted on this play in my notes from this day as well. It was a real impressive showing from Mayo. The drill is one on one so the RB has a ton of room to work with and for Mayo to stick with him like that is probably the most exciting thing from camp so far.

    I also can agree with his assesment of Slater. This kid is going to be one of the STers in the league and a perenial STs pro bowler and real soon.

    I am pretty sure it was the same practice, and I remember D. Thomas best catch being a nice one up the seem so that made three nice ones from that day for him. I don't think anyone can question his hands.

    great post Dook enjoy the Vaca.
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  9. BradyManny

    BradyManny Pro Bowl Player

    I posted this in my own thread, but it's relevant here:

    Maybe I just caught Jackson on a better day, but he certainly did a better job in the DB v WR drills than on DookFish's days.
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  10. PatsFan37

    PatsFan37 Supporter Supporter

    Encouraging to hear a second opinion. I'll look forward to Thursday to see for myself, if the TV cameras choose to show it.

    I think it's early to judge Crable on his ability to set the edge. Let's see him next year after he puts on 15 lbs and is more Vrabel's size. Add a little power to that quickness and the perception might change.
  11. BradyManny

    BradyManny Pro Bowl Player

    Agreed - I don't think that should be expected of Crable this season. His value can come as a situational player - but if AD or Vrabel went out with an injury, I think we'd see Hobson move outside or Woods play more long before we'd see them stick a rookie at OLB on every down. So, Crable has plenty of time to improve.
  12. Box_O_Rocks

    Box_O_Rocks Supporter Supporter

    Re: Return of the DookFish-Mayo, Slater, Wheatley and Wilhite-Raw Speed on D and ST

    So he is an undercover scout for Miami! :banned:
  13. TB146

    TB146 On the Game Day Roster

    Re: Return of the DookFish-Mayo, Slater, Wheatley and Wilhite-Raw Speed on D and ST

    Agreed - I can't remember being this excited about a draft class in recent years. Hopeful, yes, always hopeful, but never as excited about so many players - Mayo, Slater, Wheatley, Wilhite, even Crable.
  14. Leave No Doubt

    Leave No Doubt Supporter Supporter

    I suppose they all have good days and not-so-good days at camp, but hopefully the good ones outweighed the bad. Preseason games should tell us more, assuming he gets enough playtime. You never know with BB.
  15. Leave No Doubt

    Leave No Doubt Supporter Supporter

    Re: Return of the DookFish-Mayo, Slater, Wheatley and Wilhite-Raw Speed on D and ST

    Agreed. Mayo and Wheatley were my favorites but they're ALL sounding good!

    This could go down as one of their best drafts ever? I guess we'll see, but put it this way...the Pats are a difficult team to compete in and it can be a complex system to learn, so the fact the rookie draftees are fitting in and doing so well, promises some exciting times :)
  16. Leave No Doubt

    Leave No Doubt Supporter Supporter

    *This is a GREAT thread; first one I check when I log in! Dook's observations are not only excellent in and of themselves but they're also creating some good, good discussion. Awesome read, Dook! I hope you stick around for the entire season.
  17. BradyToMoss

    BradyToMoss Guest

    I was at the same practice as the Great Dook on 8/3 and witnessed the same thing with ChadJack. Didn't separate, dropped a slant and RARELY saw looks from Tom, if at all. I'm hoping it was just a bad day for Chad. I want him to succeed like the rest of us. Looking like Tarzan is one thing, we need more consistency from him. I was surprised to be honest.

    Yes, I know he separated at Orchard Park and the Meadowlands with all kinds of real estate between him and his defender for easy 6's, I saw it too. I remember the isolation pass in the flat in Minny where he busted through 3 defenders and straddled his way into the endzone like a cheetah and kept his balance, it was an incredibly agile and athletic move. I actually broke my lamp on Chad's move, much to the wife's dismay. I just expected to see and hear about these things on the practice field this summer, and we really haven't, atleast consistently.

    Who knows, maybe he's taking a page out of Kenny Sims's book, "Game Day Chad".
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  18. Metaphors

    Metaphors In the Starting Line-Up

    I think you hit on the key point. All the talent in the world don't mean squat if Brady isn't comfortable throwing to him. I think CJack can get open and his hands have never been in question. But if CJack can't get to the right spot on the field in tune with Brady's mental clock, Brady will almost certainly look elsewhere.

    CJack won't prove anything on Thursday since Brady won't be playing much. The interesting part will be seeing if he is running with the 1's or catching passing from O'Connell in the 4th quarter. That will tell us what the coaching staff is thinking. The real test will be in the following 2 weeks when Brady will get most of his work in.
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  19. chris_in_sunnyvale

    chris_in_sunnyvale In the Starting Line-Up

    Good stuff to read for this fan who can't attend camp. Really looking forward to seeing Crable, Slater, Mayo and Wheatley.

  20. PatriotNMP43

    PatriotNMP43 On the Game Day Roster

    Thanks for the camp notes dook.
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