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Thanks again, Duke. Look forward to your next dispatch from the front!
 
I hope Dookster don't wind-up sashimi in them fureign climes! One finned typists of his caliber are rare.
 
Yes, Dook. Have a safe trip, keep the school away from sharks and killer whales. We look forward to hearing from you on your return!
 
Re: Return of the DookFish-Mayo, Slater, Wheatley and Wilhite-Raw Speed on D and ST

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Camp observations Sunday August 3rd:
I apologize for my tardy reply. I attended camp yesterday with the Beanfish and offer a number of miscellaneous observations.

The most illuminating drill of the day was again the one on one pass drill. Last week the drill included TEs.

In this instance, only the running backs participated in a match up with the ILBs.
To my eye, the outstanding performers among the RBs were Sammy Morris and Lamont Jordan.

Sammy easily gained separation and caught the ball cleanly without breaking stride.
Maroney played to mixed reviews in head to head match-ups with Mayo. In the first rep,
Mayo slipped to the turf on the outcut and Maroney waltzed away. The more notable match-up
(which to me spoke volumes about the combatants) occured near the end of the drill.
Maroney tried an outcut and go. Mayo trailed by a half-step out of the cut
and incredibly closed ground against a full speed Maroney on the up.
The two players continued full tilt down the sideline with Mayo fixed in Maroney's grill.
Brady held the ball, held the ball, and finally dropped the ball in exasperation.
There was no separation, not an inch. Mayo also stifled Faulk on a circle route.
His skillset in man coverage is lightyears ahead of the next best ILBs. He is a three down ILB.

Hobson and Heath appeared ponderous.
Tank did not participate, perhaps indicating a failed positional experiment.
Bruschi was surprisingly adequate, but Guyton was the Silver Medal winner in this drill.
He was physical on the bump, and quick on cuts.

The punt drills also caught my eye. The drills were not run at full speed except at the gunner/gunner blocker level.
In fact, I thought the drills were designed as a try-out among the gunner blockers.
Chad Jackson ran back the bulk of the punts and to my eye lacked the quick cutting and cutback skills
critical to success in this arena. Chad Jackson's long speed and stride
may work on kick-offs but cannot work on punts.

Wilhite stood out as quick and physical as a gunner blocker, but Slater's raw speed blew the DookFish away.
As a gunner, he was two steps ahead of his nearest competitor and simply ran around the gunner blockers untouched.
Earlier he had circumnavigated a frustrated Merriwether on a cutback punt return.
He will not only make the 53. He will be active on the 45 as a kick returner, gunner blocker, gunner, and KR safety.
Wheatley stood out both on D, as a gunner and as a gunner blocker. He is lightening fast, quick and surprisingly physical.
He turned beautifully on an underthrown Cassell heave off a flea flicker and made the pick.

I watched one aspect of the running game carefully and I must regrettfully report that
none of our young buck OLBs can set the edge on the sweep. Vrabel is of course the master in this regard.
Crable, Pierre and Redd (given a surprising number of snaps) were regularly caught inside or engulfed on sweep after sweep.
I also watched Redd in zone coverage. He is huge, but lacking in lateral mobility or ball sense.
If he has an NFL career, it will be in a Colvin/Crable rush role.

My final observation relates to David Thomas, I observed two remarkable catches-one a tap job on the sideline,
one a scoop of an underthrown crossing pattern. He may not be elite in the separation category,
but on BB's second criteria (Can he catch the ball?), Thomas is a standout.
He also looks noticeably thicker in his second year and may have the bulk now to hold his own on the wham or in line.

Respectfully submitted, The DookFish

P.S. The DookFish, MomBear and the BeanFish depart for Russia and Hong Kong tomorrow night to visit the MookFish and meet up with the ZookFish. The Scoutwease will board with her Aunt. We will return in time for the second exhibition game.
P.P.S. The BeanFish has heard the posters as to the typing issues and threatens the DookFish with an on-line typing course. The DookFish is not easily cowed and swims off to Asia unbowed and untutored.
 
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I had to call my optometrist to get my LASIK re-done after reading the original last night ;)

One thing I appreciate about Dook is he'll criticize as well as compliment which makes his compliments more real. Let's just say he's got me REAL excited about this draft class. If Mayo and Slater, alone, live up to what he's saying it would be a solid draft. Add the corners and . . . :D
 
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Once again, great observations with lots of interesting detail.
Once again, snap judgements detract from all that good information.

We get it...you don't like CJack and aren't particularly fond of Maroney. First CJack will fail in the NFL because he can't get separation and now his abilities will not work on punts. I can understand you saying that didn't see separation during camp and he wasn't hitting the holes on punt returns...but to render final judgements (despite evidence to the contrary in actual 2006 games) brings the reliability of your observations on CJack in question. Are you a hater? Or does CJack's performance in camp just happen to hit one of your hot buttons? Less so for Maroney but there is something there as well.

Putting Crable and Redd into a restricted/dedictated pass rush role before they have even played a single game (even pre-season) is a bit much. Crable played in an entirely different scheme at Michigan so of course it will take him some time to learn his run responsibilities and execute them effectively. Redd is a small school project and couldn't possibly make the jump from Liberty to 3-down Pats OLB with a handful of practices. BTW, you also lumped Colvin into that category but before his latest injury he was really coming into his own in coverage and run support.

Again, love the observations and have no doubt they accurately reflect action on the field. The judgements do make me question where observation stops and opinion starts.
 
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P.S. The DookFish, MomBear and the BeanFish depart for Russia and Hong Kong tomorrow night

OMG! :eek:
The Dookfish is a commie SPY!!! :cool:
 
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The more notable match-up (which to me spoke volumes about the combatants) occured near the end of the drill. Maroney tried an outcut and go. Mayo trailed by a half-step out of the cut and incredibly closed ground against a full speed Maroney on the up. The two players continued full tilt down the sideline with Mayo fixed in Maroney's grill. Brady held the ball, held the ball, and finally dropped the ball in exasperation. There was no separation, not an inch.


I noted on this play in my notes from this day as well. It was a real impressive showing from Mayo. The drill is one on one so the RB has a ton of room to work with and for Mayo to stick with him like that is probably the most exciting thing from camp so far.

I also can agree with his assesment of Slater. This kid is going to be one of the STers in the league and a perenial STs pro bowler and real soon.

I am pretty sure it was the same practice, and I remember D. Thomas best catch being a nice one up the seem so that made three nice ones from that day for him. I don't think anyone can question his hands.



great post Dook enjoy the Vaca.
 
I posted this in my own thread, but it's relevant here:

- For all the talk about Chad having a mixed camp, or trouble separating, my homer eyes didn't see it. He separated from the DBs in the drills, once on a deep route where the ball was badly overthrown and once going up against Meriweather on a quick out (made the catch). He looked pretty comfortable in the scrimmages and passing drills, although one time it appeared he hesitated on which side he was to line up on. He seems adept at any routes sending him to the inside, he got open and was the target quite a few times. I also noted him having a private convo w McD before practice started - let's hope he's spent a lot of time w him over the offseason.
Maybe I just caught Jackson on a better day, but he certainly did a better job in the DB v WR drills than on DookFish's days.
 
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Maybe I just caught Jackson on a better day, but he certainly did a better job in the DB v WR drills than on DookFish's days.
Encouraging to hear a second opinion. I'll look forward to Thursday to see for myself, if the TV cameras choose to show it.

I think it's early to judge Crable on his ability to set the edge. Let's see him next year after he puts on 15 lbs and is more Vrabel's size. Add a little power to that quickness and the perception might change.
 
I think it's early to judge Crable on his ability to set the edge. Let's see him next year after he puts on 15 lbs and is more Vrabel's size. Add a little power to that quickness and the perception might change.

Agreed - I don't think that should be expected of Crable this season. His value can come as a situational player - but if AD or Vrabel went out with an injury, I think we'd see Hobson move outside or Woods play more long before we'd see them stick a rookie at OLB on every down. So, Crable has plenty of time to improve.
 
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OMG! :eek:
The Dookfish is a commie SPY!!! :cool:
So he is an undercover scout for Miami! :banned:
 
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Let's just say he's got me REAL excited about this draft class. If Mayo and Slater, alone, live up to what he's saying it would be a solid draft. Add the corners and . . . :D

Agreed - I can't remember being this excited about a draft class in recent years. Hopeful, yes, always hopeful, but never as excited about so many players - Mayo, Slater, Wheatley, Wilhite, even Crable.
 
I posted this in my own thread, but it's relevant here:


Maybe I just caught Jackson on a better day, but he certainly did a better job in the DB v WR drills than on DookFish's days.

I suppose they all have good days and not-so-good days at camp, but hopefully the good ones outweighed the bad. Preseason games should tell us more, assuming he gets enough playtime. You never know with BB.
 
Re: Return of the DookFish-Mayo, Slater, Wheatley and Wilhite-Raw Speed on D and ST

Agreed - I can't remember being this excited about a draft class in recent years. Hopeful, yes, always hopeful, but never as excited about so many players - Mayo, Slater, Wheatley, Wilhite, even Crable.

Agreed. Mayo and Wheatley were my favorites but they're ALL sounding good!

This could go down as one of their best drafts ever? I guess we'll see, but put it this way...the Pats are a difficult team to compete in and it can be a complex system to learn, so the fact the rookie draftees are fitting in and doing so well, promises some exciting times :)
 
*This is a GREAT thread; first one I check when I log in! Dook's observations are not only excellent in and of themselves but they're also creating some good, good discussion. Awesome read, Dook! I hope you stick around for the entire season.
 
I posted this in my own thread, but it's relevant here:


Maybe I just caught Jackson on a better day, but he certainly did a better job in the DB v WR drills than on DookFish's days.

I was at the same practice as the Great Dook on 8/3 and witnessed the same thing with ChadJack. Didn't separate, dropped a slant and RARELY saw looks from Tom, if at all. I'm hoping it was just a bad day for Chad. I want him to succeed like the rest of us. Looking like Tarzan is one thing, we need more consistency from him. I was surprised to be honest.

Yes, I know he separated at Orchard Park and the Meadowlands with all kinds of real estate between him and his defender for easy 6's, I saw it too. I remember the isolation pass in the flat in Minny where he busted through 3 defenders and straddled his way into the endzone like a cheetah and kept his balance, it was an incredibly agile and athletic move. I actually broke my lamp on Chad's move, much to the wife's dismay. I just expected to see and hear about these things on the practice field this summer, and we really haven't, atleast consistently.

Who knows, maybe he's taking a page out of Kenny Sims's book, "Game Day Chad".
 
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I was at the same practice as the Great Dook on 8/3 and witnessed the same thing with ChadJack. Didn't separate, dropped a slant and RARELY saw looks from Tom, if at all. I'm hoping it was just a bad day for Chad. I want him to succeed like the rest of us. Looking like Tarzan is one thing, we need more consistency from him. I was surprised to be honest.

Yes, I know he separated at Orchard Park and the Meadowlands with all kinds of real estate between him and his defender for easy 6's, I saw it too. I remember the isolation pass in the flat in Minny where he busted through 3 defenders and straddled his way into the endzone like a cheetah and kept his balance, it was an incredibly agile and athletic move.

I think you hit on the key point. All the talent in the world don't mean squat if Brady isn't comfortable throwing to him. I think CJack can get open and his hands have never been in question. But if CJack can't get to the right spot on the field in tune with Brady's mental clock, Brady will almost certainly look elsewhere.

CJack won't prove anything on Thursday since Brady won't be playing much. The interesting part will be seeing if he is running with the 1's or catching passing from O'Connell in the 4th quarter. That will tell us what the coaching staff is thinking. The real test will be in the following 2 weeks when Brady will get most of his work in.
 
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Good stuff to read for this fan who can't attend camp. Really looking forward to seeing Crable, Slater, Mayo and Wheatley.

Regards,
Chris
 
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