Does the NFL admit they screwed up again?

[RelocatedPatFan]

It wasn't underthrown. Look at the replay. Gronk attempts to plant his back foot and come back to the ball and, while doing that, is bear-hugged by the defender. The Panthers player who made the pick made it with his arms extended laterally to his right. If the ball were underthrown, the defender would have also had to have made a shoetop catch with his arms much much closer to the ground.

Also, the defender that caught the ball hit Gronk's knee (not a penalty as he was going for the ball) while going for the ball. This made it harder for Gronk to plant his foot to stop. A couple years from now (when Gronk is more Veteran) he'll fall to the ground like he was pushed and they won't be able to pick up that flag.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

It amazing, after all the complaining we hear from other fan bases, I dont think there is any other team that has more false accusations (taping practices, tampering with headsets) or blown calls (2006 afcc - facegaurding, 2013 week 7 vs Jets) that requires the NFl to admit they were wrong and the Pats were screwed. I wonder if it happens this time.

To be fair, in the JEST game, the NFL didn't say the Pats call was wrong, they said it should also have been called against the JEST earlier.

 

[PatsSox363804]

I've seen balls thrown 20 yards over a guys head called PI so I don't see how that is deemed "uncatchable." No consistency in this league at all.

 

[RelocatedPatFan]

But (and I'm ok with the loss as much as I am with any loss)

When we do a post-game review of a game, we shouldn't be talking about refs. i.e. the story shouldn't be abotu the refs. We should be talking about execution or lack of execution. While there were a handful of plays that we could have made that would have changed the outcome of the game, that particular play was the last chance as all the other plays were in the past at that point.

One thing that wasn't pointed out was vereens failure to catch the ball down the sideline. I'd say this is lack of play time/just getting back from the IR. But, this is a bread and butter play for him and the Patriots.

 

[stevedogc]

To be fair, in the JEST game, the NFL didn't say the Pats call was wrong, they said it should also have been called against the JEST earlier.

Thats what I meant. If the call was made, it would have given the Pats 15 yards and an automatic first. And possibly a td instead of a fg resulting in no need for OT.

 

[everlong]

It was a bad call but there's also nothing saying they would have scored from the one. The McCorty call is lost in all of this but Olsen clearly grabbed him and sold the call and that may have been worse. My one whine is more about the networks having ex-refs on. What's the point when they back the on-field officals 100% of the time? Austin is as big of an apologist as Perreria.

Ridley's fumble minimum of 3 points, Mankins stupid penalty a possible 4 points, Solder blowing his assignment and killing a drive, not trying to run it on 3rd and 1 and settling for a FG on the next to last drive, not containing Newton on multiple 3rd and long pickups, Talib stupid penalty holding Smith's leg too long.........

 

[TinhWoodhead]

I've seen balls thrown 20 yards over a guys head called PI so I don't see how that is deemed "uncatchable." No consistency in this league at all.

Not to mention the PI/penalty occured BEFORE the INT.

 

[Koma]

It was a bad no call, that was PI if I ever saw it.

That's the crazy thing - It wasn't even a 'no call.' The official called a penalty and then they changed their mind. How often do you see that on a PI call?

As far as if Gronkowski could have made a play absent the interference debate, should that even matter to the officials? How often do we see this scenario - QB completes a short pass to the right sideline that goes for a 1st down. It's called back because the WR on the left sideline was holding. The penalty had nothing to with the play, yet we see it called at least once a week across the league. So why do hypotheticals about what Gronkowski might or might not have have been able to do matter here?

 

[ensoul]

They won’t. I guarantee they come out today and support the refs decision saying the was the right call. We will never know if the ball was uncatchable but what I do know is that Gronk was clearly interfered with.

The fact is they will call holding on a cornerback if they are holding the receiver even if the ball was thrown to a different receiver on the opposite side of the field.

As for the pats not playing better. Yes Ridely fumbled, yes that 3rd and 1 play in the redzone was weak. However what is frustrating is that the refs are not consistent. Why was Mccourty called for a holding yet the panthers were not?

Call them both or call nether. Don’t pick and chose as you see fit.

 

[VJCPatriot]

If you play well enough, the refs cannot affect the outcome of the game.

So basically it's OK then for the refs to screw up the calls in CLOSE games then, right?

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

so the refs are defending the call....if i was BB i would just tell the players to tackle any WR now if the ball is uncatachable. That seems to be the rule right? :bricks:

 

[Silver Blue&Red]

If you play well enough, the refs cannot affect the outcome of the game.

WWWWHAT? They did "PLAY WELL ENOUGH". A depleted defense did a dam good job to stop one of the best teams in the league. They got to that play and were robbed . How many games have they won in that position? And yes, they did affect the outcome.

 

[Silver Blue&Red]

I've seen balls thrown 20 yards over a guys head called PI so I don't see how that is deemed "uncatchable." No consistency in this league at all.

THIS! Giants, super bowl, 20 feet over the WR's head in end zone= PI

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

expect any makeup calls from the refs sunday

 

[JMC00]

Yeah, he comes back to the ball cause it was not going to hit him in stride. Not sure what else to call that other then underthrown. The Panthers defender who made the pic was about 3 yards in front of Gronk prior to the hold.

Maybe you should actually look at some of the videos and pictures. Lester contacts Gronkowski the same time Kuechly starts to hold Gronk



As you can see the defender was further away from the ball than Gronk was. Yet somehow the hold is okay because it was uncatchable. It was only uncatchable because Gronk was pushed out of the area of the ball.

There is no way you can tell me definitively that had Gronk not been mauled that he couldn't have made a play on that ball.

Also the defender that made the INT puts both hands on Gronks back and pushes him out of the way to got after the ball.

I just find it hilarious that the ball was deemed uncatchable for Gronk, yet a guy that was further away from the spot where the ball was thrown mads a play on the ball.

 

[chicowalker]

But (and I'm ok with the loss as much as I am with any loss)

When we do a post-game review of a game, we shouldn't be talking about refs. i.e. the story shouldn't be abotu the refs. We should be talking about execution or lack of execution. While there were a handful of plays that we could have made that would have changed the outcome of the game, that particular play was the last chance as all the other plays were in the past at that point.

One thing that wasn't pointed out was vereens failure to catch the ball down the sideline. I'd say this is lack of play time/just getting back from the IR. But, this is a bread and butter play for him and the Patriots.

As has already been pointed out, it isn't either / or.

Unfortunately, the refs' (non-)call was a huge story last night.

This thread is about the refs' call -- if you don't want to talk about it, then don't participate in this particular thread.

 

[SVN]

Jim Daopoulus says officials made 'bad mistake' at end of Pats-Panthers » The Dan Patrick Show | Official Home

NBC Sports officiating consultant Jim Daopoulus (@RefereeJimD) joined the show to share his thoughts on the final play of the Panthers-Patriots game last night when officials picked up a flag on what looked like interference by Carolina.

"I thought it was a bad mistake," Daopoulus said. "And bad communication on that crew."

Daopoulus thougth there was no way you could call that an uncatchable pass. "I was very frustrated when they were saying it was an uncatchable pass," Daopoulus said.

Daopoulus explained that the ball clearly has to be where the receiver absolutely cannot make a catch. Daopoulus said that NFL receivers sometimes make incredible catches so you have to be careful on judging something is uncatchable.

 

[Tunescribe]

The Pats screwed themselves.

Fumble
3rd -1
Not containing Newton

This line of thinking seems logical on its face, but most games are so close these days there always will be pivotal aspects like that for BOTH teams. Which underscores the NECESSITY of obvious calls being made correctly. The Patriots should be 9-1 right now.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

The Patriots should be 9-1 right now.

They should..but they are not. Just have to hope they don't get screwed the rest of the year...which by going with all of the injuries and the BS call...who knows

 

[DefenseRules]

They should..but they are not. Just have to hope they don't get screwed the rest of the year...which by going with all of the injuries and the BS call...who knows

Oh they will. They are playing LORD Peyton next week. I am really starting to hate this league.