Does anyone else have a feeling that Donte's not fitting in?

[Deus Irae]

I am not making stuff up. I am speculating. I never said he definitely failed a test. I never said that that was definitely the reason he was on there.

There is evidence. It may not be evidence you want to accept, but there is evidence. What he said yesterday and the fact that the Pats do regular test their players on the playbook with penalties for failing being harsh are evidence. Who knows what the Pats require players to do before camp?

By the way, the Pats may consider that if you do not know the basics of the playbook that you are "unable to perform".

Noboy manipulates their roster as well as the Pats do. In doing so, they have consistently stretched the bounds the PUP and IR list. I have read threads in the past praising the Pats for doing so. Now that you don't like what I am saying, you are acting like the Pats have never treaded on grey areas with the PUP or IR? They do and so do a lot of other teams.

We are just repeat the same stuff now. Unless you have something new to bring, we are pretty much done with this thread.

If you could find just one Patriot who's had the situation in the past that was for your reasoning, this wouldn't be pure speculation anymore. It would become evidence. Can you think of one?

 

[patsox23]

I am not making stuff up. I am speculating. I never said he definitely failed a test. I never said that that was definitely the reason he was on there.

There is evidence. It may not be evidence you want to accept, but there is evidence.

Nope. Weak. Feeble. There is not evidence. There is, however, asinine tea-leaf misreading, which seems to be a specialty around here.

 

[bigdgp]

Does this mean I'm not going to get my lottery #'s? I hate being a slave to the Auto-pick...

 

[Rob0729]

Nope. Weak. Feeble. There is not evidence. There is, however, asinine tea-leaf misreading, which seems to be a specialty around here.

Whatever you say. I am done. I was just speculating and I didn't even feel that strongly about it until certain self-righteous pricks who have act like big tough guys on Internet bulletin boards started to attack me. I guess if no one cared about my opinion in the real world, I would act like ass in the cyber world too. So I won't hold it against you.

If you actually acted civilly to me in the first place instead of being an ass and discussed things like a grown adult, this thread would would have ended four pages ago. My guess is self control and maturity isn't high on your character trait list.

 

[Mike the Brit]

Whatever you say. I am done. I was just speculating and I didn't even feel that strongly about it until certain self-righteous pricks who have act like big tough guys on Internet bulletin boards started to attack me. I guess if no one cared about my opinion in the real world, I would act like ass in the cyber world too. So I won't hold it against you.

If you actually acted civilly to me in the first place instead of being an ass and discussed things like a grown adult, this thread would would have ended four pages ago. My guess is self control and maturity isn't high on your character trait list.

I too feel that this thread fully merits it's one-star status. (As so often) I agree with Patchick. This is the way internet "factoids" get going.

What is depressing to me is not the mere fact that people speculate and try to read between the lines (it's an internet message board and that stuff can be fun) but when the speculation leads to an explanation that is discreditable either to the player (Washington failed a secret fitness test, Stallworth failed a secret playbook test) or to the organization (Hairston is signed and immediately put on IR) and it is then maintained in the face of contrary, indeed more plausible explanations (Hairston was cut to save a roster spot).

One of the pleasures of being a Pats fan is being able to give the organization and the players the benefit of the doubt. In recent times, that has proved right more often than not.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I would like to award this thread the "Dumbest Off Season Thread" Grand Prize.

 

[Rob0729]

I too feel that this thread fully merits it's one-star status. (As so often) I agree with Patchick. This is the way internet "factoids" get going.

What is depressing to me is not the mere fact that people speculate and try to read between the lines (it's an internet message board and that stuff can be fun) but when the speculation leads to an explanation that is discreditable either to the player (Washington failed a secret fitness test, Stallworth failed a secret playbook test) or to the organization (Hairston is signed and immediately put on IR) and it is then maintained in the face of contrary, indeed more plausible explanations (Hairston was cut to save a roster spot).

One of the pleasures of being a Pats fan is being able to give the organization and the players the benefit of the doubt. In recent times, that has proved right more often than not.

I was in no way trying to discredit the Patriots. In fact, praised the orgainization for the way they manage the roster including with use of the PUP and IR. The Pats are famous for manipulating their roster to maximize production. Why is them IRing a rookie that isn't going to make an impact this season to keep him from getting picked up from another team a bad thing as long as they can get away with it? I think it is pretty smart and I bet is done more frequently throughout the league than you probably think. If you don't think the guy is going to pass waivers to get to the practice squad, why not IR him to save him.

As for Washington getting discredited, I heard Michael Felger, Tom Casale, and John Tomase speculate that Washington was placed on the PUP because he failed the conditioning run. In fact, I can't remember which one, but one of them speculated it in their blog too. So decent number of people who cover the team every day discredited Washington and you are blaming me for basically repeating what he said.

I am a Patriot fan, but I am not a sheep. I don't think all of our players are infallible. I didn't realize that this was a board where you cannot question the Patriots or their players. The great thing about these boards are that you can state your own opinion right or wrong. The Pats are certainly not infallible. They have made bad decisions in the past (Monty Beisel, Donald Hayes, etc.) and will again. Why can't you question them every once in a while?

 

[patsox23]

Whatever you say. I am done. I was just speculating and I didn't even feel that strongly about it until certain self-righteous pricks who have act like big tough guys on Internet bulletin boards started to attack me. I guess if no one cared about my opinion in the real world, I would act like ass in the cyber world too. So I won't hold it against you.

If you actually acted civilly to me in the first place instead of being an ass and discussed things like a grown adult, this thread would would have ended four pages ago. My guess is self control and maturity isn't high on your character trait list.

I'm sorry if I went too far and hurt your feelings. I genuinely feel this is a ridiculous thread, and that your arguments are irresponsible and silly. Your latest plea here has been heard, and despite its passive-aggressive nature, and the fact that legions of other veteran posters here agree with me, I'll cease and desist. Thanks for the insight.

 

[patsox23]

As for Washington getting discredited, I heard Michael Felger, Tom Casale, and John Tomase speculate that Washington was placed on the PUP because he failed the conditioning run. In fact, I can't remember which one, but one of them speculated it in their blog too. So decent number of people who cover the team every day discredited Washington and you are blaming me for basically repeating what he said.

So much for cease and desist, but someone has to answer this assertion. Rob, I think you're missing a huge piece of the puzzle here. NOBODY denies or disagrees that the Patriots put guys on PUP when they fail the conditioning run. This is a fact that is so commonly held that it seems almost not worth mentioning. WE KNOW THAT. What we're contesting is that the same happens for a guy who fails some written "Playbook Test."

There's a difference. Night and day.

 

[PATSNUTme]

Whatever you say. I am done. I was just speculating and I didn't even feel that strongly about it until certain self-righteous pricks who have act like big tough guys on Internet bulletin boards started to attack me. I guess if no one cared about my opinion in the real world, I would act like ass in the cyber world too. So I won't hold it against you.

If you actually acted civilly to me in the first place instead of being an ass and discussed things like a grown adult, this thread would would have ended four pages ago. My guess is self control and maturity isn't high on your character trait list.

I didn't say anything. Why are you bringing me into this?

 

[PATSNUTme]

I would like to award this thread the "Dumbest Off Season Thread" Grand Prize.

There have been way dumber. I think if you checked all of my off season threads you would find a few that would be better qualified for the award.

 

[spacecrime]

Re: Does Anyone Else Have Feeling that Donte's Not Fitting In

Too bad they didn't use that logic with Donald Hayes. They apparently held him out of practice until week 10 and expected him to know the playbook.

This is as far as I read in your post because it is totally wrong, and therefore anything built on it is wrong. Hayes was signed in the off-season from the Panthers, practiced all trainign camp (I was at Bryant witching him), and far from being held out, practiced the week before the season's opening game (against Pittsburg) and scored a TD in the game, assisted by a great block by Branch on Flowers.

I know you want to make a point that BB will put players on PUP because they haven't learned the playbook, but it simply isn't true. Making up stuff doesn't prove anything, and anyway, Stallworth is off PUP, so by your own criteria, he has learned the playbook. (By my criteria, his leg is better.)

Either way, we can now agree that his leg is better and he knows the playbook inside and out.

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Does Anyone Else Have Feeling that Donte's Not Fitting In

This is as far as I read in your post because it is totally wrong, and therefore anything built on it is wrong. Hayes was signed in the off-season from the Panthers, practiced all trainign camp (I was at Bryant witching him), and far from being held out, practiced the week before the season's opening game (against Pittsburg) and scored a TD in the game, assisted by a great block by Branch on Flowers.

I know you want to make a point that BB will put players on PUP because they haven't learned the playbook, but it simply isn't true. Making up stuff doesn't prove anything, and anyway, Stallworth is off PUP, so by your own criteria, he has learned the playbook. (By my criteria, his leg is better.)

Either way, we can now agree that his leg is better and he knows the playbook inside and out.

It was sarcasm. Donald Hayes was signed the first week of free agency. He could have been signed at birth and still not have picked up the playbook.

I was being sarcastic because an entire offseason; multiple mincamps, passing camps, and OTAs; a full training camp and preseason; and ten weeks of the season wasn't enough for the guy to pick up the offense while practicing. It was around week 10 that Hayes admitted he didn't know the playbook. So Hayes is a great case against the assertion best way to learn the playbook is to be on the practice field.

As stupid as some people have accused me in this thread, I am not that stupid to think Hayes showed up week 10 of the season.

Otherwise, I am done with this topic.

 

[spacecrime]

Whatever you say. I am done. I was just speculating and I didn't even feel that strongly about it until certain self-righteous pricks who have act like big tough guys on Internet bulletin boards started to attack me. I guess if no one cared about my opinion in the real world, I would act like ass in the cyber world too. So I won't hold it against you.

If you actually acted civilly to me in the first place instead of being an ass and discussed things like a grown adult, this thread would would have ended four pages ago. My guess is self control and maturity isn't high on your character trait list.

Ha ha. This is so funny. How can you call people self-rightreous pricks and then say THEY have no self-control or maturity.

You're the one calling people names, bucko.

And no one is attacking you. They are saying that your idea that PUP is for people who fail some kind of play book test is not true.

A sign of maturity is knowing when people are discussing ideas and when they are discussing people, and not making it personal (as in call them pricks) when they are talking about ideas.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Note to Ian : Please start a forum here on Patsfans titled:

'Self Righteous Pricks And Big Tough Guys'

That would be awesome!!! :rocker:

 

[JoeSixPat]

Reading between the lines, its clear Brady can't stand the guy:

How nice is it to have Donte’ Stallworth on the field:
“It’s good. It’s exciting. I know he’s been dying to get out here. It’s still early in camp and you hate to go out there and re-aggravate anything, but he’s out here and it’s nice to see him in pads. I said ‘who’s number 18 out here? It’s a new guy.’"

More on Stallworth:
"I followed him in high school and followed him at Tennessee [in college]. And obviously, with the Saints. He's always been a very dynamic player. Donovan McNabb says a lot of great things about him. He's a fun guy to have around. Hopefully he comes out here and is able to practice and improve with the team. He's already quite a bit behind because we've been out here for all these practices without him. I know he's anxious to be out here."

On if it helps him to have a past with Stallworth:
"Sure, it does. All these relationships that you develop over time, Donte' and I have known each other for four years. When he comes in, it's not like 'hey, I'm Donte' and I'm Tom.' We always enjoyed being around one another."

On his friendship with Stallworth and their shared California roots:
“He’s from Sacramento. I’ve always known about Donte’. Whenever I’ve seen him, we’ve always connected really well. Another California guy out here. You have three quarterbacks from California and to add a new receiver is nice.”

 

[patsox23]

"I know he’s been dying to get out here. It’s still early in camp and you hate to go out there and re-aggravate anything, but he’s out here and it’s nice to see him in pads."

I hate when players come back too soon and re-aggravate their unfamiliarity with the playbook!

 

[patsox23]

Re: Does Anyone Else Have Feeling that Donte's Not Fitting In

Stallworth is off PUP, so by your own criteria, he has learned the playbook. (By my criteria, his leg is better.)

LOL. Classic. Well played.

 

[Flying Fungi]

Reading between the lines, its clear Brady can't stand the guy:

is that evidentiary speculation?

 

[JDP111]

This thread was useless. It still is useless.