Deshaun Watson? (UPDATED: Caserio Says Team Has "no interest" in trading him)

[jbean9876abcd]

He's torn both his ACLs. If we had all the pieces but just needed a QB to get us over the hump for a run, I'd consider it. Otherwise, too expensive. Houston was 15th, 12th, and 16th in Offensive pts per game the last 3 years.

 

[Doctor DDS]

Houston was 15th, 12th, and 16th in Offensive pts per game the last 3 years.

I do not watch many Houston games but this would be my concern as well. He was absolutely brilliant against the Patriots this year and his numbers really do pop so maybe he really is top 3-5 but I would be concerned about why they are not even averaging 25 points a game for the past 3 years. He had Hopkins and Fuller plus a decent running game all 3 years and plays in a dome.

If you give up so much talent/draft capital and take on that salary I am not really sure where that leaves you.

 

[varjao]

I do not watch many Houston games but this would be my concern as well. He was absolutely brilliant against the Patriots this year and his numbers really do pop so maybe he really is top 3-5 but I would be concerned about why they are not even averaging 25 points a game for the past 3 years. He had Hopkins and Fuller plus a decent running game all 3 years and plays in a dome.

If you give up so much talent/draft capital and take on that salary I am not really sure where that leaves you.

He does look good on tape, good arm, accuracy, can make plays with his legs but he is not really moving the needle for that sorry azz franchise. People talk so much about him like he's a HOF I'd expect a little more when it comes to W's. I said before , many great QB's also had to deal with weak rosters and got the W's.

Mahomes
Brady
Rodgers
Wilson
Big Ben
Brees
Lamar
Matt Ryan
Josh Allen
Rivers ?

How is he a top 5 QB?

I'd also list a few that are generating more results on the field for their teams, ok they're in better situation but just to mention
Goff
Dak
JimmyG

Don't get me wrong he is a great player but for me the jury is still out

 

[DropKickFlutie]

I'd do #15, 2022 & 23 1st and Gilmore for Watson. Last thing I want to do is play musical chairs with QB after QB the next few years. We have plenty of cap space coming up and still would have 8-9 picks this year. Sign Golladay or Godwin or both **** it. Both are great contested catchers and right up Watson's alley. Draft BPA with our second. Try to target a speed threat like Schwartz or juke machine in Toney, route runner in Place after that to fill out the WR corp. Golladay/Godwin, Edleman, Meyers and draft pick would look pretty good right about now. We're not depending on rookies to carry the load on offense but have some young weapons that are ready to role and have a specific role.

Watson is frustrated and has every right to be. His team is asking him to win games but traded away his best and one of his only weapons. Making dumb move after dumb more. Clearly the FO and HC aren't up to the task. The team is in worse shape than it was when he first got there. It's been a joke for a few years now tbh.

He needs competency and structure. No one would be a happy camper in Houston.

You can get your franchise QB you do it without thinking twice if you can. We'd have a top 5-7 QB and top ten OL when healthy. That's the hard part imo. I mean if we can't find a few good targets after that we need new people making those decisions.

I would be absolutely shocked if Houston dealt Watson. Maybe he's that unhappy but they'd be in an awful spot without him and those picks are must-hits now that Watson is gone. Talk about backing yourself into a corner to where you have to get rid of your best player. Oakland thought they could replace Mack with a ton of valuable picks and are struggling like hell to generate pressure. I loved Abram coming out but he looks like he belongs playing in the 90's. CF is decent but decent isn't top 5 worthy and there's been talk about him switching positions and moving inside. Jacobs worked out but now you're faced with paying a RB very soon and that's never a good thing. I love draft picks more than most, they're extremely important but proven vets > unproven prospects all day every day. Prospects aren't even players yet, just prospects.

Agree with how important a franchise QB is. But trading DPOY and 3 firsts, that sounds steep? Would also want to check the price to get Jimmy G or Brissett back. Wentz I'm not sure if he's broken.

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[Ring 6]

He does look good on tape, good arm, accuracy, can make plays with his legs but he is not really moving the needle for that sorry azz franchise. People talk so much about him like he's a HOF I'd expect a little more when it comes to W's. I said before , many great QB's also had to deal with weak rosters and got the W's.

Mahomes
Brady
Rodgers
Wilson
Big Ben
Brees
Lamar
Matt Ryan
Josh Allen
Rivers ?

How is he a top 5 QB?

I'd also list a few that are generating more results on the field for their teams, ok they're in better situation but just to mention
Goff
Dak
JimmyG

Don't get me wrong he is a great player but for me the jury is still out

This is interesting to me. The premise being so whatever it takes to get a qb of this caliber. (I do disagree with many you put ahead of Watson but that’s a different topic)

I throw out Brady and mahomes because they are just unique and if you knew what they’d become you’d give up tour whole team for them.

so here is the list of candidates with their track record next to them prior to this postseason . (And yes these will be added to this year).

Watson 4 years 1 playoff win
Rodgers 13 years. 11 playoff wins 1 Sb
Wilson 9 years. 9 playoff wins 1 Sb
Ben 17 years 13 playoff wins 2 Sb
Brees. 19 years 8 playoff wins 1 Sb
Jackson 3 years 0 playoff wins
Ryan. 13 years 4 playoff wins
Allen 3 years 0 playoff wins (1 now)
Rivers 15 years 5 playoff wins
Goff. 5 years 2 playoff wins
Prescott. 5 years 1 playoff won
Garopolo. 3 years 2 playoff wins

So all combined these elites played 109 seasons and won 56 playoff games and 5 SBs.

The average is 9 seasons 4.6 playoff wins .4 Sbs, or 1 every 22 years.

In seasons where there are 12 playoff teams there are 11 playoff wins. So over 9 seasons the average team wins 3.1 playoff games and of course 1 Sb every 32 years.

if we were to subtract Ben from the list the 11 remaining QBs have 92 seasons 43 playoff wins and 3 SBs. Which works out to almost exactly the league average of sbs and just under 4 playoff wins.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Can’t blame him, this Easterby **** is crazy. Sounds like they’d pick Easterby over Watson.

Easterbunny reminds me of Jafar from Aladin. Puts the king under a spell a makes him do what HE wants

 

[RIpats88]

I put alot of their losses on coaching though. If Bill was coach of the texans they would be in the playoffs. they had 4 wins. Bill dragged our team to 7 wins with a QB who threw 8 TD passes and no receivers. You look at what they have receiving wise and QB wise and it should be a better record.

 

[Uptown]

 

[Froob]

Houston needs to have their brain privaledges revoked.

 

[zimmy]

I really feel this is a non-story. Houston already have cap issues and there would be $60m+ dead money if traded.

I also don't understand the Tua narrative. The fins seem to have decided he isn't good enough and want rid, so why would the Texans then take him? Especially if the 3rd overall pick is part of the package. Surely you'd rather just get Wilson/Fields there.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Watson wants to go to the Dolphins. Flores is a popular guy right now.

 

[carmelo15]

It’s happening man how can houston not make that trade they have to rebuild. Getting Tau, 3rd, 18, and there own 2nd back is a haul for them

 

[Ross12]

I really feel this is a non-story. Houston already have cap issues and there would be $60m+ dead money if traded.

I also don't understand the Tua narrative. The fins seem to have decided he isn't good enough and want rid, so why would the Texans then take him? Especially if the 3rd overall pick is part of the package. Surely you'd rather just get Wilson/Fields there.

Not accurate - it's $60m+ if he's cut, but it's only about $21m if he is traded. Even less if he is traded after June 1st but seems more likely it would happen before.

I think I actually posted this in this thread already - but I can see a scenario where they trade Watson to Miami for the #3 plus Tua, then draft whatever QB they like at #3, then trade Tua to someone else lower in the first who needs a QB. So they get their new face of the franchise at QB plus still get to pick in the 1st again. And shed Watson's big contract with only 1 year of cap damage since he seems like he wants to get out. A $21m dead money hit hurts but it doesn't hurt that bad if you are replacing him with a rookie salary at QB.

 

[carmelo15]

Not accurate - it's $60m+ if he's cut, but it's only about $21m if he is traded. Even less if he is traded after June 1st but seems more likely it would happen before.

I think I actually posted this in this thread already - but I can see a scenario where they trade Watson to Miami for the #3 plus Tua, then draft whatever QB they like at #3, then trade Tua to someone else lower in the first who needs a QB. So they get their new face of the franchise at QB plus still get to pick in the 1st again. And shed Watson's big contract with only 1 year of cap damage since he seems like he wants to get out. A $21m dead money hit hurts but it doesn't hurt that bad if you are replacing him with a rookie salary at QB.

Miami would easily throw in the 18th pick or both second rounders if they had too

 

[FortressX]

Why an owner would do this is beyond me ?

Watson had been assured by McNair that he would be involved in the process to hire a new coach and general manager and kept in the loop on the progress in those searches, but that didn't happen.

Sources: Texans ignored search firm in GM hire

Texans owner Cal McNair ignored the recommendation of a search firm when he hired Nick Caserio as the team's new general manager, sources told ESPN.

www.espn.com

 

[Bonzo]

Easterbunny reminds me of Jafar from Aladin. Puts the king under a spell a makes him do what HE wants

Yeah, for real. If you believe Florio's reporting, before flipping to Caserio, Texans had already offered the job to that Khan guy

 

[Sam Bam Cunningham]

The Dolphins would be scary good with Deshaun Watson as QB. Hoping this trade does not happen.
I do think Deshaun is a tad overrated. Three first round picks and a player is his price. No thanks.
Would only do that for Mahomes or Rodgers.

 

[KontradictioN]

I don’t see Miami ending the Tua experiment after his rookie season. They pick third and I can see them drafting Devonta Smith to help Tua. Trading those picks back for Watson makes very little sense.

 

[Wozzy]

For people doubting Watson because the Texans don’t win enough, you need to realize football is about TEAM. The Texans O-Line was horrible for most of Watsons career and coaching was suspect. The kid is a great QB.

Second the Texans are not going to trade him and if they do, it will be to the NFC. Nobody will trade Belichick an All Pro QB... there’s no one that dumb.

 

[carmelo15]

I don’t see Miami ending the Tua experiment after his rookie season. They pick third and I can see them drafting Devonta Smith to help Tua. Trading those picks back for Watson makes very little sense.

No if they stay at 3 you pick the generational tackle takes WR at 18 or the second round