Defining and comparing dynasties

[PatsFanInVa]

Thanks. Excellent explanation.

I should of PM'd you to begin with.

Takes a lot more balls to learn than to lecture, big ups for asking

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

The Pats have won just as many titles as GB did during their run from 1961-67. The difference, and it's huge, is that it took 9 playoff wins (1-1-2-2-3) for GB to win those titles and it took 15 wins (3-3-3-3-3) for the Patriots. GB also missed the playoffs half the time in Lombardi's 10 years.

Fewer playoff teams, and therefore harder to get in back then...Vince never coached a team to a losing record

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

All Patriotology aside, cut it out. Same QB, same coach... same philosophy, that of nearly interchangeable parts playing their roles (doing their job), and buying into the NE way of winning games.

Trying to name specific guys and demand that most stay there for their entire careers, you might as well say "all claims to dynasty ended in the free-agency/salary cap era."

This has been a continuum of teams for 15 years built on (and winning with) the same model. You start it at Mo Lewis' hit on Drew Bledsoe. You end it when the Patriots cease to be in annual contention for the SB (just like including Young in the 49ers "Dynasty" years).

Whatever definitions we like... I think that SO FAR, last Sunday was the highest high we've felt (and there have been a lot of them).

Thanks for your keen, insightful analysis.

For me, the Butler pick is at the top. Too much leading up to it, too much at stake, too much in its execution and too much to comprehend in its aftermath.

Snow Bowl OT win over Raiders to close out the old stadium is second.

Breaking Orange Bowl jinx en route to first Super Bowl still seems third. Didn't get to savor it for very long, not due to XX, but the realization that Berry was starting Eason no matter what.

I know we see things differently, but the important thing is we're on the same side. B&B strike fear in lesser teams, more resentment and (media/stupidity fueled) denigration in better teams. Previous dynasties simply did not face the ridicule and disrespect the Patriots have.

Sunday night, I kept posting that we were very much in it and NEVER considered giving up, and I was met with some derision and insults...by the time they came out for the OT coin flip, we had all the momentum.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Thanks for your keen, insightful analysis.

For me, the Butler pick is at the top. Too much leading up to it, too much at stake, too much in its execution and too much to comprehend in its aftermath.

Snow Bowl OT win over Raiders to close out the old stadium is second.

Breaking Orange Bowl jinx en route to first Super Bowl still seems third. Didn't get to savor it for very long, not due to XX, but the realization that Berry was starting Eason no matter what.

I know we see things differently, but the important thing is we're on the same side. B&B strike fear in lesser teams, more resentment and (media/stupidity fueled) denigration in better teams. Previous dynasties simply did not face the ridicule and disrespect the Patriots have.

Sunday night, I kept posting that we were very much in it and NEVER considered giving up, and I was met with some derision and insults...by the time they came out for the OT coin flip, we had all the momentum.

Wow! Watching the Rams game today reminded me of every SB finish in this era win or lose... it made me slightly sort of re-consider... but nahhhh this is the one for me.

I didn't think the Butler pick could be topped, but this one did it.

OTOH, what you said is true too... without the Butler pick, it would feel like we were the Cowboys of the 90s followed by the Bills of the 90s, all in one team. Butler was redemption, with a swing of history riding on it. LI was the greatest single game in history, with a huge historical exclamation point riding on it.